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true but stanford has 56 championships in m/w tennis and m/w swimming, add in their 18 from water polo and it is mainly sports that PSU will never be a championship caliber program in due to location/resources.
** I do also realize PSU has 13 in fencing
They are absolutely destroying the school’s academic standings. By such a margin it is almost beyond comprehension. Barren is beyond pathetic. That is the primary concern. But the athletic performance in the big sports (actually most sports) is going in the wrong direction. Hopefully Shrews can help with BBall.
Penn State also has 10 wrestling titles which we can argue is the least competitive sport in college athletics. 5 schools have all but 9 of the 84 of whatever titles.
Women's basketball as been a disaster since Portland left. Men's basketball has never been good. We haven't won a NC in football in over 30 years. What are these "big sports" you think have dropped because of the current administration?
Well, any school that has a ton of championships gets there by doing well in sports with fewer teams. In a sense, that is something that makes Rose's volleyball championships even more impressive as that sport is IIRC the third highest number of schools in Div 1 after men's and women's hoops.
A ton of PSU's championships have come from Wrestling, Fencing, and Men's Gymnastics all of which are "easier" to win due to fewer teams competing in them.
How about getting an AD that can put a decent and consistent Mens BBall team on the floor?
Not realistic. We are talking men's hoops. Fielding a decent consistent team would require Penn State to relax its academic standards.
Without trying to pick a fight, I think some criticism of Barron/Barbour is legit.
RE: Barron, if we only look at FSU, from which he came and PSU, there is obvious and distressing data. As soon as Barron made the switch, FSU's academic ratings began increasing and PSU's began decreasing. Coincidence? IDK, but he's in charge and has done nothing to reverse the trend. It looks real bad.
RE: Barbour, I think it's fair to say that the overall performance of PSU athletics has diminished under her tenure, while adding significant administrative overhead. Could there be other factors? Sure, but can we point to any actions/policies/etc from Sandy that have made the AD stronger? Legit question. IDK. Are there any?
When did you start caring about academics? Your 409 bumper sticker is not about academics.
"409" is the fastest and most effective way to express one's support for everything that embodies Success with Honor and The Grand Experiment.
Which sports has Sandy overseen a transition of leadership?
- Dropped a very good fencing coach over a tape ball. Results TBD.
- Dropped a basketball coach who finally fielded an NCAA quality team. Results TBD.
- Parted ways with an excellent track & field and cross country coach. Results TBD.
- Hired the successor for volleyball legend Russ Rose. Results TBD.
Not to be a contrarian, but what evidence do you have that Penn State has higher academic standards for revenue sport athletes than other schools? I think this may have been the case 30-40 years ago, but I've never once heard O'Brien, Franklin, Chambers, or Shrewsbury, state that they didn't recruit or offer a highly rated player because he would not be able to be admitted to Penn State. As an alum, I would like your statement to be true, but I just don't think it is anymore.
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Stupid comment. The coach responsible for those 409 victories elevated a cow college to a worldwide university. He graduated players, white, and black by the way, at equal levels which is unheard of and was the lead fundraiser for decades. For that he was thrown under the bus for following the law and everyone who ever supported the football program was demonized. This university's cowardly administration was a disgrace.
But anyway, that disgraceful situation is in the past but the university's reputation will never recover.
I agree with the above. Let’s be honest here, Penn State has the same academic standards for athletes as most Division 1 programs, including its fellow Big Ten schools. Have you seen Penn State’s academic rankings decline over the past 15 years? If Penn States academic decline continues, and as an out of state resident, I do not plan on sending or encouraging my children to attend Penn State because I know they can have a good college experience elsewhere at a fraction of the cost of Penn State’s tuition.
Right and you did not mention academics. You dont complain about lack of 4.0 commits. You complain about lack of 5*s.
Like I said, When did you start caring about academics?
When posters bring up "academic standards", are they referring to entrance requirements or what it takes to stay eligible or to graduate? I see three different standards.
Who the hell are you to sit in judgement on folks and pontificate about what they care about. Your glass house is blinding.
Please - that tired old excuse? The academic standards of the university are moving quickly towards the bottom of the Big10. We have everything needed to be at least competent in basketball. Our current standards are no different than most other Big10 schools.
1. Pretending Penn State has higher academic standards is illogical
2. Believing Penn State is going to ever be a strong basketball program is also illogical
2. Believing Penn State is going to ever be a strong basketball program is also illogical
