Step by Step PSU is moving away from the past toward the Alabama model

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

 

[Obliviax]

totally agree....not sure its the "alabama' model but also tOSU and Michigan, etc.

Bottom line is kids get a 'ship to play football. Somewhere in there, they get an education. If they can not, or do not, contribute to the football team, they will be gone.

Lewis got caught up between coaches....Hack had options,....Hand got tired of ruining his career with, comparatively, no talent to work with, Shoop decided he wants to be a head coach....everyone is taking care of themselves.

Finally, this is what happens when you hire people that don't have emotional ties to the university. For Shoop/Hand, etc., its a job. PSU is a tool just like all of the other college football programs. Its not necessarily good or bad, just something that has to be recognized and addressed.

David Bowie....cha-cha-cha-changes!!!

 

[LionwiththeDevil]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

Its effective and works because that's what the majority of the audience wants to see. As The Bear said "I've never seen 80k people show up for a math test."

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I found myself agreeing with the Ben Jones story yesterday. Camelot of old is gone. Too much money and temptation in the system to stay pure forever. Very sad indeed

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

Thanks for succinctly showing how we are not moving towards the Alabama model. Well done.

What we are moving towards is creating the environment that will produce (on OUR terms) the possibility of championships, as put forward in CJF's opening (and subsequent) statements.

Very exciting times to be a PSU fan.

 

[JoeLion]

I agree as long as it is all done with the legacy of good character players, coaches and education be the priority. Players need to go to classes, pass and get their degrees. This aspect of the "old ways" needs to remain! Everything with class and honor!
RIP JoePa.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

The tic was about the totality of the shift and change. However, PSU through CJF is in the process of finally acknowledging the realities of the times and incorporating what fits into the football program. There is a little turmoil at PSU at the moment but it's good and necessary turmoil.....that is required by change. Some wont like it and some will misinterpret it.....but it needs to be done.

 

[BobPSU92]

The problem is that we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. We know from what has been published that Reeder felt at home at Delaware and wanted to be there. What we don't know is whether Franklin told him his projected position on the depth chart next year and (a) encouraged him to leave, (b) took a neutral position (it's up to you), or (c) asked him to stay. We assume they had some discussion about the future, but we don't know specifics.

Likewise, we don't know what Franklin discussed with Shoop or Hand.

It is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on outcomes without knowing what led to the outcomes.

 

[PSU Paul]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

I have no problem with being up front with kids and letting them know their chances of getting quality playing time and let them make the decision on whether to stay or not. It's another thing to tell a kid he's gotta go because we don't see any playing time period. IMO that would be totally wrong. If the kid wants to play ball then it's good to be upfront with them as early as possible giving them a chance to find another place. And please don't leave out all the academic achievements we've had over the last 2 years and having all players eligible for the bowl games which is not that common among the other schools. So lets compare apples to apples here. So if it's reported from a kid (I think it was the case at Alabama) that he was forced out then I would say we're on the same playing field as Alabama. But I haven't seen that yet. Have you??

 

[Jerademan74]

totally agree....not sure its the "alabama' model but also tOSU and Michigan, etc.

Bottom line is kids get a 'ship to play football. Somewhere in there, they get an education. If they can not, or do not, contribute to the football team, they will be gone.

Lewis got caught up between coaches....Hack had options,....Hand got tired of ruining his career with, comparatively, no talent to work with, Shoop decided he wants to be a head coach....everyone is taking care of themselves.

Finally, this is what happens when you hire people that don't have emotional ties to the university. For Shoop/Hand, etc., its a job. PSU is a tool just like all of the other college football programs. Its not necessarily good or bad, just something that has to be recognized and addressed.

David Bowie....cha-cha-cha-changes!!!

Great post Obliviax. Things are extremely different now that Joe is gone and player / coach loyalties are not all aligned. One thing still exists that should never change though........We Are....Still Penn State. Our fan base will never waiver in our loyalty, even though the changing times are not to all our liking. We all want to win another MNC and will continually bitch when things don't go right, but we still want to have "success with honor". Can this be done is this newer era?

 

[bvillebaron]

The problem is that we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. We know from what has been published that Reeder felt at home at Delaware and wanted to be there. What we don't know is whether Franklin told him his projected position on the depth chart next year and (a) encouraged him to leave, (b) took a neutral position (it's up to you), or (c) asked him to stay. We assume they had some discussion about the future, but we don't know specifics.

Likewise, we don't know what Franklin discussed with Shoop or Hand.

It is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on outcomes without knowing what led to the outcomes.

Correct, but it sure as hell doesn't stop a lot of people from jumping to all kinds of conclusions.

 

[indoorgolf]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

You forgot the most important part of the Alabama model. Show up at a recruits home with a bag full of money $$$$$$ six figures that is and promise to take care of his family while his is playing for BAMA . They are the best in the nation at doing this which the key to getting their great talent. Check out Bagmen of the SEC on Bleacher Report.

 

[Nitt1300]

I was never part of the "Joe must go" crowd, he earned the right to stay as long as he wanted to.

That said, the sport has changed (like it or not) and I believe that CJF is doing what a coach has to do to win. Like others have said, as long as the kids graduate and stay out of the police log, I'm going to be ok with it.

But something about what college football used to be (or maybe just what it was supposed to be) be has been lost, and it seems like we hardly saw that until it was gone.

 

[danvillenit]

totally agree....not sure its the "alabama' model but also tOSU and Michigan, etc.

Bottom line is kids get a 'ship to play football. Somewhere in there, they get an education. If they can not, or do not, contribute to the football team, they will be gone.

Lewis got caught up between coaches....Hack had options,....Hand got tired of ruining his career with, comparatively, no talent to work with, Shoop decided he wants to be a head coach....everyone is taking care of themselves.

Finally, this is what happens when you hire people that don't have emotional ties to the university. For Shoop/Hand, etc., its a job. PSU is a tool just like all of the other college football programs. Its not necessarily good or bad, just something that has to be recognized and addressed.

David Bowie....cha-cha-cha-changes!!!

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

The reality is that PSU had a once in a lifetime coach who could do both. I find it interesting that some fans cry about PSU becoming more like a football factory while many fans are on record that Franklin should be fired if he doesn't win at least 10 games in 2017.

I think Franklin has done a nice job of balancing both goals, academic and football success. The players are having historic academic success but he will be fired anyway if he doesn't win.

 

[Art]

You forgot the most important part of the Alabama model. Show up at a recruits home with a bag full of money $$$$$$ six figures that is and promise to take care of his family while his is playing for BAMA . They are the best in the nation at doing this which the key to getting their great talent. Check out Bagmen of the SEC on Bleacher Report.

No, the most important part of the "Alabama model" is winning. We'll see if that happens.

 

[fairgambit]

If you play by Alabama rules you have a chance to win a championship. If you don't, you won't. We may shift in their direction, but we won't be all in, and that means we won't be a serious player on the national scene. We'll sniff the top 10 every few years, and maybe make the final 4 about every 10 years, but we will spend most of our time winning 9 or 10 games and going to meaningless bowls, just like nearly everyone else.

 

[TTman]

I was never part of the "Joe must go" crowd, he earned the right to stay as long as he wanted to.

That said, the sport has changed (like it or not) and I believe that CJF is doing what a coach has to do to win. Like others have said, as long as the kids graduate and stay out of the police log, I'm going to be ok with it.

But something about what college football used to be (or maybe just what it was supposed to be) be has been lost, and it seems like we hardly saw that until it was gone.

Amen to that!

 

[royboy]

If you play by Alabama rules you have a chance to win a championship. If you don't, you won't. We may shift in their direction, but we won't be all in, and that means we won't be a serious player on the national scene. We'll sniff the top 10 every few years, and maybe make the final 4 about every 10 years, but we will spend most of our time winning 9 or 10 games and going to meaningless bowls, just like nearly everyone else.

I don't see why PSU can't contend for conference and national championships while still having players who can stay out of trouble and graduate? Look at Stanford, for example.

Look also at Duke basketball with Coach K -- he's changed with the times by taking more one-and-done players, and seeing transfers both in and out. The key, and it's no great surprise, is to get the best players who will be a good fit at your University. Coach Franklin has outlined his recruiting strategy of dominating the state of PA, doing very well in adjacent states, and picking up a few recruits from out of the area. If he remains successful at doing that, PSU can compete with anybody. Just my opinion, but I don't see a reason to lower our sights.

 

[SR108]

....which so many of you wanted to happen in Joes last years. Part of Alabama's sucessful plan (and I believe the most important part) is over sgning and cutting players through transfers. This circumvents the 85 scholarship limit impact on a level playing field. The Alabama staff has taken the PR step of talking with the kids they recruited which failed to reach their expectations and 'doing them the favor' of advising them and helping them find a place where they get playing time. That way we get to bring in 27 or 28 a year effectively cut the 108 to 112 we look at down to the 85 best we recruited. Optimizing our chance of fielding a professional team.

Coaches come and go....they move to other places where they step into predestined success by the circumstances alredy im play thereand PSU get's to report....look how are developing coaches.

Now the next steps are....offer 300+ kids rather than 100....hire a couple dozen consultants like Haslett (our pilot consultant) to evaluate the 300+ to whittle the hoard down to 27 - 28 offers and we are on our way to changing the div 1 landscape from the big 1/and the rest to the big 2 and the rest.

Oh, I forgot 2 important things. Hire our own media mouthpieces and retire David (the Morbid Jones) and redefine how nonqualifiers qualify.

Then someday soon we can watch our players hold up the mythical NC trophy looking as unenthusiastic and bored as the professionals I watched do it the other evening after the Temple game.

Ahh God bless the NCAA and Mr Emmert for allowing these options be available to us we can rebuild quickly....and for Bama for showing us the way.

tic

When did Franklin over-sign, I must have missed that?

Coaches do come and go, I'm not sure this can be blamed on Franklin or his vision of a program. I don't believe Franklin wanted to lose Shoop or Hand. Assistant coaches even came and went under Paterno. Joe was certainly very loyal to his assistants, perhaps to a fault, and some stayed a long time, but there were coaches who had ambitions and left. There were others that mistakenly thought they could wait Joe out.

So far, Franklin and his staff have been fairly selective in who they offer from what I can tell. I believe someone posted a comparison the other day, and PSU offered far less recruits than Alabama and other programs mentioned. Franklin also pulled an offer on a DT this year due to off the field issues. Franklin has also stressed academics and proper off the field behavior from what I have seen, not something that the football factories are concerned with.

As far as the NC game the other night, I apparently watched a different game than you did. I watched a hard fought game by two very motivated and enthusiastic teams, (regardless of their approach to program building). IMO, the college game even with its faults, is still the superior game. Did you happen to watch the N."Fellons" L. game between the Steelers and Bengals over the weekend?

I don't agree that we are moving towards an Alabama style program. Franklin wants to win, and its not a job for the faint of heart, but I am not seeing what you are seeing, and I am not a Franklin apologist by any means.

 

[fairgambit]

I don't see why PSU can't contend for conference and national championships while still having players who can stay out of trouble and graduate? Look at Stanford, for example.

Look also at Duke basketball with Coach K -- he's changed with the times by taking more one-and-done players, and seeing transfers both in and out. The key, and it's no great surprise, is to get the best players who will be a good fit at your University. Coach Franklin has outlined his recruiting strategy of dominating the state of PA, doing very well in adjacent states, and picking up a few recruits from out of the area. If he remains successful at doing that, PSU can compete with anybody. Just my opinion, but I don't see a reason to lower our sights.

I wish I thought that would work. I just don't. Stanford has won some conference titles of late, but their last National Championship was in 1940. I think the Duke thing is more about Coach K than about Duke. It will be interesting to see if they can continue their excellence after he leaves. Even if they do, Duke and Stanford are exceptions to the Alabama model, just as we once were with Joe. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I think we will settle into that area of college football occupied by teams like Iowa and Virginia Tech. Teams that are annually decent, but not serious players on the national stage.

 

[rohrmd9]

So how far will graduation rates dip to achieve the Alabama model?

 

[Ian]

PSU needs to adopt the SEC roster management model. To compete at the elite level, you need to bring in 25 new players every year and jettison 15 players who have been in the program 3-4 yrs and who aren't making the two deep, assuming others don't depart before then. Besides, didn't Franklin indicate he wants his players being in a position to graduate after 3 yrs? That's why and I'm good with it as it shouldn't impact grad rates significantly.

 

[Achowalogan]

High performing teams....forming...storming...norming...performing.....we are headed toward norming.....

 

[BlueBand]

The problem is that we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. We know from what has been published that Reeder felt at home at Delaware and wanted to be there. What we don't know is whether Franklin told him his projected position on the depth chart next year and (a) encouraged him to leave, (b) took a neutral position (it's up to you), or (c) asked him to stay. We assume they had some discussion about the future, but we don't know specifics.

Likewise, we don't know what Franklin discussed with Shoop or Hand.

It is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on outcomes without knowing what led to the outcomes.

Reeder's situation doesn't bother me. If he left for reasons other than what he stated, why would he go to Delaware? Even if he was to go to second string for us next year, that means he was probably good enough to find a place on another FBS team, whether P5 or MAC, etc. Add that to the fact that he almost transferred last year, and I think we have to take this one as presented. Hurts our depth but I don't think it's anything nefarious.

 

[YorkLion]

Winning will be the ultimate test on whether we're heading toward the Alabama model. I really can't wait to see what kind of team Franklin leads onto the field next year.

 

[SR108]

Winning will be the ultimate test on whether we're heading toward the Alabama model. I really can't wait to see what kind of team Franklin leads onto the field next year.

The Spring game should be interesting.

 

[kgilbert78]

The Spring game should be interesting.

When is a spring game actually interesting?? Fun, yeah--sometimes (I recall one or two where the weather wasn't fun). But they aren't that important except to see guys have a big day who never will in a real game.

 

[sluggo72]

what ti

The Spring game should be interesting.

what time to the gates open??

 

[Cletus11]

Some people seem to forget that PSU football did not get to where it is today because 100% of PSU football players were saints. Joe won a ton of football games and created a Top 10 national program. From everything I have seen, PSU is not turning into the SEC. Joe coached most of his career in an era where he could sign unlimited players so he didn't have to live with mistakes, he just went out and recruited over those kids with 105 schollies the following year. Once the 85 limit came into play, Joe's teams greatly decreased in success. So Joe started to tell 5th year seniors who were not starters not to come back. ALso back in the 70's, 80's, and most of the 90's, the college football players did not have the tools and resources like today to easily transfer out to other schools. When you went to a school, you basically stayed there for your 4 or 5 years regardless of if you played or not. In today's society with the internet and modern coaching philosophy, players are much, much more informed and savvy and they see if they are not going to play that if they want to, they transfer to another school and it is simple.

People need to stop with the nostalgia a little bit. I wonder how many fans would show up for games if PSU was 5-7 every year for three or four years because they guaranteed 5 year scholarships regardless and didn't adapt somewhat to the modern game. As 5-7 or worse is what that would amount to. Probably be lucky to get 50,000 in the stadium with multiple losing years in a row and PSU football would cease to exist.

Hack and AJ left to goto the NFL. NOthing to do with JFF.
Reeder left to be close to home and play with his brother. Nothing to do with JFF.
Lewis left because the NCAA allows him to and he was passed over on the depth chart and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to play and be on a potential championship team. Nothing to do with JFF.
Wooten & Worley want to play football and not sit on the bench. Nothing to do with JFF.

 

[SR108]

When is a spring game actually interesting?? Fun, yeah--sometimes (I recall one or two where the weather wasn't fun). But they aren't that important except to see guys have a big day who never will in a real game.

I for one will be very interested in seeing what the new offense looks like, regardless of who is actually on the field.

 

[Nosoj]

Are we saying that JF is taking schols (not renewing schols) from underperforming kids so he can recruit others in the coming year?

If so, I thought that the BT was moving towards a 4yr schol commitment instead of the standard 4x1yr schol commitment.

All Big Ten programs offer 4-year scholarships:

The Big Ten announced Wednesday that all of its institutions will grant athletic scholarships for the entire term of an athlete's enrollment and allow some athletes who leave school to return and finish their degrees on scholarship.

Scholarships will be "neither reduced nor cancelled" as long as athletes maintain good standing in school, within the athletic department and in the community. If athletes leave school for "a bona fide reason," they will be allowed to return at a later date to complete their degrees on scholarship.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ntees-four-year-scholarships-student-athletes

Alabama it's a little less clear:

Alabama head coach Nick Saban will offer four-year scholarships to prospective student athletes beginning with the 2013 signing class, according to a report from The Tuscaloosa News.

"Most of the conditions are still the same," Saban said in the interview. "The player will still have to be academically eligible. He will still have to obey team rules and regulations. And the player is still going to have the same rights and the same appeals process that he has now."

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/02/report_saban_to_offer_4-year_s.html

On the other hand:

Or as Alabama coach Nick Saban said of schools promoting multiyear scholarships: “That's bullshit. Everybody tries to say what they're doing is better than somebody else. We've been doing it for several years because it's what we think is best for the players, and that's why we do it.”

Alabama provided 18 multiyear scholarships to all athletes in 2013-14. Saban said he started offering scholarships beyond one year when the NCAA rule changed.

“It really is not an issue either way, though,” Saban said. “A player's on a one-year scholarship and it's automatically renewable. It's not like you can just take it away. And if he's on a four-year scholarship and does something in violation of university policy or athletic policy, you can still take it away. It really is insignificant.”

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...4-year-scholarships-to-athletes-but-many-dont

 

[Osprey Lion]

I'll take four NC's in 7 years. I was never big on living in the past.

 

[canuckhal]

The problem is that we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. We know from what has been published that Reeder felt at home at Delaware and wanted to be there. What we don't know is whether Franklin told him his projected position on the depth chart next year and (a) encouraged him to leave, (b) took a neutral position (it's up to you), or (c) asked him to stay. We assume they had some discussion about the future, but we don't know specifics.

Likewise, we don't know what Franklin discussed with Shoop or Hand.

It is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on outcomes without knowing what led to the outcomes.

Flag. For you post making too much damn sense. I am OUTRAGED!

 

[lang06]

tic

I agree with some of what you wrote. The piece I don't yet agree with is the transfers and cutting of players. I really think the past two years we didn't see a lot of it because guys knew they had a spot since we didn't have 85 scholarship players. We couldn't afford to lose a player and in many cases they couldn't afford to leave.

This is really the first year we are at that 85 scholarship limit, so we are "finally" seeing some departures. We had guys leave the program years ago, we could always count on a few. I imagine we'll have a few more transfers, but they are would be obvious and have no impact on the team.

We'll see, we don't seem to send out a ton of offers and we probably won't have large classes for a few more years.

 

[dawgduice]

I really believe in a few years we will be top 20. That should be the case EVERY year form then on. I think one out of every 4 years we will be MNC threats. All of that with a continued effort to do the with thing. Patience during the rebuild is key. as fans and media have little or none of that.

Some people seem to forget that PSU football did not get to where it is today because 100% of PSU football players were saints. Joe won a ton of football games and created a Top 10 national program. From everything I have seen, PSU is not turning into the SEC. Joe coached most of his career in an era where he could sign unlimited players so he didn't have to live with mistakes, he just went out and recruited over those kids with 105 schollies the following year. Once the 85 limit came into play, Joe's teams greatly decreased in success. So Joe started to tell 5th year seniors who were not starters not to come back. ALso back in the 70's, 80's, and most of the 90's, the college football players did not have the tools and resources like today to easily transfer out to other schools. When you went to a school, you basically stayed there for your 4 or 5 years regardless of if you played or not. In today's society with the internet and modern coaching philosophy, players are much, much more informed and savvy and they see if they are not going to play that if they want to, they transfer to another school and it is simple.

People need to stop with the nostalgia a little bit. I wonder how many fans would show up for games if PSU was 5-7 every year for three or four years because they guaranteed 5 year scholarships regardless and didn't adapt somewhat to the modern game. As 5-7 or worse is what that would amount to. Probably be lucky to get 50,000 in the stadium with multiple losing years in a row and PSU football would cease to exist.

Hack and AJ left to goto the NFL. NOthing to do with JFF.
Reeder left to be close to home and play with his brother. Nothing to do with JFF.
Lewis left because the NCAA allows him to and he was passed over on the depth chart and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to play and be on a potential championship team. Nothing to do with JFF.
Wooten & Worley want to play football and not sit on the bench. Nothing to do with JFF.

On target !!!!

 

[chrisrn1965]

The problem is that we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. We know from what has been published that Reeder felt at home at Delaware and wanted to be there. What we don't know is whether Franklin told him his projected position on the depth chart next year and (a) encouraged him to leave, (b) took a neutral position (it's up to you), or (c) asked him to stay. We assume they had some discussion about the future, but we don't know specifics.

Likewise, we don't know what Franklin discussed with Shoop or Hand.

It is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on outcomes without knowing what led to the outcomes.

I seriously doubt that Franklin would not want Reeder to stay. He got significant playing time at a position of need.

 

[Doc-M]

Another crazy thread, second guessing and finger pointing. Terrible! Coach is working hard to build a program balancing academics and athletics.