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Suddenly, wideout looking pretty solid.

That's been it so far, especially last season when he had plenty of experience that should have shown up in better decision making to end games.

INT vs Oregon was terrible. On an early down when throwing it away was a win on that play.

Then the INT vs ND when all that was needed was a FG to get to the NC game. With plenty of time remaining and a running game that was overpowering Oregon.

Allar may need to take a bigger step than the WR's do..... Or at least just as big a step which many fans don't believe and throw the WR's totally under the bus.

It's tough to play QB on any level as the praise is many times over the top for a team win, and the criticism is skewed the other way in losses....... Allar is a great kid and I'm sure is his own hardest critic, and I fully expect him to close out some big games with big performances this season. It's why he's at PSU now instead of celebrating after the NFL draft....
Good take IMO. But why do you expect him to close out some big games? He has had plenty of chances and has come up completely empty.

I am with you…one can hope…but sounds like wishful thinking.

Can you envision him beating O$U at The Shoe? Yeah - me neither.
 
He threw a 50/50 ball against Oregon that his WR badly misjudged. Trace made a career on those balls. How was it terrible?
Allar gets way too much blame here--it's honestly ridiculous.
Trace had some wideouts…high end...ones that would fight like the Devil for the ball. And could also obtain done serious YAC.
 
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The problem with the unnamed player in your post is his inconsistency from quarter to quarter in almost every game. In almost every game, he looks like a legitimate high first round draft pick in one quarter, and then totally lost in the next quarter. My hope is that he has a senior season like Pickett did, in which he is considered to be a legitimate Heisman Trophy contender. I believe that he made positive strides last season, but needs to make even more this upcoming season.
Need receivers…desperately.
 
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Need receivers…desperately.
We have too many (12) receivers. Quality is the issue. I'm surprised that one or two didn't enter the portal.

Clifford, Saunders, Ivey, Hudson, Ross, Brown, Gonzalez, Denmark, Samuel, Outten, Howard, Pena
 
Who among this group has good 100 M HS track times?
I know the recruit (Smullin?) out of Virginia who recently committed to Clemson was legitimately fast!
Ross is very fast. He had a great game against Iowa last year for Troy.
 
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We need a quality LB and a quality DT
Why is the portal always the answer? There are young recruited linebackers and DTackles on this team. Time to develop them and get them ready to play. Use the portal to supplement depth if necessary but recruit high end players and develop them.
 
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Why is the portal always the answer? There are young recruited linebackers and DTackles on this team. Time to develop them and get them ready to play. Use the portal to supplement depth if necessary but recruit high end players and develop them.
Our recent LB recruiting hasn't been anything special. The only 4* were Rojas in 2023 and Arrington in 2025.
 
Good take IMO. But why do you expect him to close out some big games? He has had plenty of chances and has come up completely empty.

I am with you…one can hope…but sounds like wishful thinking.

Can you envision him beating O$U at The Shoe? Yeah - me neither.
I share your concern about Allar stepping up in our biggest games this coming season. I am cautiously optimistic I guess.

Last season was tough because Warren was so dominating and we had average at best wide receivers.

Vs OSU 12-20 146, 0 TDs, 1 Int
Vs Oregon 20-39, 236 3TDs, 2 Int
Vs ND 12-23 135, 0TDs, 1 Int

Combined:
44-82, 517, 3TDs, 4Ints

This is what has to improve if we want to seriously compete for a NC.

Our receivers are decent to solid but he will need to make them better along with AK schemes and play calling. How does he make them better? Throwing them open, making good decisions and not forcing throws, staying calm in the pocket. Taking a commanding leadership role and earning all the WRs respect. Not saying he has not shown any of this but not enough of it. The big question is if he can take this proverbial next step and be a truly elite performer, not against Illinois and Purdue and UCLA but against OSU and Oregon and in a crucial playoff game.

To your point about the game in Columbus. Yeah, if I was to predict now I would say it is a loss unfortunately. Not just that Drew has not given us the confidence to pull out a huge win like that on the road vs them but also Franklin and really the whole team has not shown the mental toughness to execute in crunch time. Like it or not, Day owns Franklin.
 
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I share your concern about Allar stepping up in our biggest games this coming season. I am cautiously optimistic I guess.

Last season was tough because Warren was so dominating and we had average at best wide receivers.

Vs OSU 12-20 146, 0 TDs, 1 Int
Vs Oregon 20-39, 236 3TDs, 2 Int
Vs ND 12-23 135, 0TDs, 1 Int

Combined:
44-82, 517, 3TDs, 4Ints

This is what has to improve if we want to seriously compete for a NC.

Our receivers are decent to solid but he will need to make them better along with AK schemes and play calling. How does he make them better? Throwing them open, making good decisions and not forcing throws, staying calm in the pocket. Taking a commanding leadership role and earning all the WRs respect. Not saying he has not shown any of this but not enough of it. The big question is if he can take this proverbial next step and be a truly elite performer, not against Illinois and Purdue and UCLA but against OSU and Oregon and in a crucial playoff game.

To your point about the game in Columbus. Yeah, if I was to predict now I would say it is a loss unfortunately. Not just that Drew has not given us the confidence to pull out a huge win like that on the road vs them but also Franklin and really the whole team has not shown the mental toughness to execute in crunch time. Like it or not, Day owns Franklin.
Hell, I just hope that Allar and his teammates can win the home game at the end of September against Oregon that will be breaking in a new qb and many other players. If they manage somehow to win at OSU, I'll consider it to be a big bonus. With that said, this should be the best chance to win at OSU since 2017 or 2019.
 
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He had no issues getting the ball to Warren. I love the "it's the QB's fault"
If Allar played for Ohio State this past year..he would have been the Number One QB selected in this year's draft... that's as much a testament to their receiving corp than anything...I'll never forget the 1996 Super Bowl where the Steelers with QB Neil O'Donnell lost to the Cowboys...though he (NOD) threw 3 interceptions..the Steelers were still in the game due to some of the incredible catches made by Andre Hastings and Yancey Thigpen...O'Donnel left afterwards to join the Jets in a $25MM deal..lasted only 2 years after going 0-6? , 0-7? his first year..bad offense , execution etc...he was basically done after the Steelers..you put any QB in a great system with excellent surrounding cast..and you will be great...and of course the opposite is true..is Will Howard a 'great" QB ? Jury is out..but he does have a Natty...who wouldn't have been great throwing to those guys LY...it appears this year...Allar should be great this coming year..he has the supporting cast at every position around him...
 
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If Allar played for Ohio State this past year..he would have been the Number One QB selected in this year's draft... that's as much a testament to their receiving corp than anything...I'll never forget the 1996 Super Bowl where the Steelers with QB Neil O'Donnell lost to the Cowboys...though he (NOD) threw 3 interceptions..the Steelers were still in the game due to some of the incredible catches made by Andre Hastings and Yancey Thigpen...O'Donnel left afterwards to join the Jets in a $25MM deal..lasted only 2 years after going 0-6? , 0-7? his first year..bad offense , execution etc...he was basically done after the Steelers..you put any QB in a great system with excellent surrounding cast..and you will be great...and of course the opposite is true..is Will Howard a 'great" QB ? Jury is out..but he does have a Natty...who wouldn't have been great throwing to those guys LY...it appears this year...Allar should be great this coming year..he has the supporting cast at every position around him...
Exactly--and I'm not saying Allar's perfect. No college QB is--he's going to make mistakes (I actually like the occasional pick because it shows he's willing to take risks unlike in 2023) but he just doesn't have the weapons at WR. He's a better person than me because I would have had my agent on the phone with Ohio State to see if they wanted me lol
 
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If Allar played for Ohio State this past year..he would have been the Number One QB selected in this year's draft... that's as much a testament to their receiving corp than anything...I'll never forget the 1996 Super Bowl where the Steelers with QB Neil O'Donnell lost to the Cowboys...though he (NOD) threw 3 interceptions..the Steelers were still in the game due to some of the incredible catches made by Andre Hastings and Yancey Thigpen...O'Donnel left afterwards to join the Jets in a $25MM deal..lasted only 2 years after going 0-6? , 0-7? his first year..bad offense , execution etc...he was basically done after the Steelers..you put any QB in a great system with excellent surrounding cast..and you will be great...and of course the opposite is true..is Will Howard a 'great" QB ? Jury is out..but he does have a Natty...who wouldn't have been great throwing to those guys LY...it appears this year...Allar should be great this coming year..he has the supporting cast at every position around him...


Or he would have transferred to Syracuse like Mccord, or Texes like Ewers.

Who is the last OSU QB to be the first QB off the board?






 
Why is the portal always the answer? There are young recruited linebackers and DTackles on this team. Time to develop them and get them ready to play. Use the portal to supplement depth if necessary but recruit high end players and develop them.
Because we're trying to win a title do unknowns are too risky. If we're in the portal looking it means they aren't comfortable with the kids. Same reason NFL teams add players via free agency instead on just playing the guys they drafted. The game had changed drastically. For better or worse is debatable but you have to embrace it to contend.
 
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Our recent LB recruiting hasn't been anything special. The only 4* were Rojas in 2023 and Arrington in 2025.

Penn State had a stellar LB recruiting class (on paper at least) with the 2023 class consisting of three 4-star players: Rojas, Robinson, and Keys. The unexpected departures of Robinson and Keys is part of the reason Penn State has only a few experienced LBs on the roster.
 
Penn State had a stellar LB recruiting class (on paper at least) with the 2023 class consisting of three 4-star players: Rojas, Robinson, and Keys. The unexpected departures of Robinson and Keys is part of the reason Penn State has only a few experienced LBs on the roster.


If Keys and Robinson were still here we still would not have not much experience.
 
Exactly--and I'm not saying Allar's perfect. No college QB is--he's going to make mistakes (I actually like the occasional pick because it shows he's willing to take risks unlike in 2023) but he just doesn't have the weapons at WR. He's a better person than me because I would have had my agent on the phone with Ohio State to see if they wanted me lol
Didn't like the ND pick so much. Not blaming Allar and saying it is all his fault.
Although he does need to improve in the biggest games this season versus what he has shown.
 
Our recent LB recruiting hasn't been anything special. The only 4* were Rojas in 2023 and Arrington in 2025.
Not true.

Nelson, Speca, Robinson (gone), Tatsch and Smith were also 247 composite 4 star LB recruits, as well as Burnett who is now at DE. Wylie and Jackson were high 3 stars.

And EVERY LB on scholarship on the PSU roster was higher rated out of H.S. than the two LB transfers some believe could save the position. Other than DeLuka who was a walk on but has made more plays than most higher rated LB players in his class and will likely start for PSU regardless of who transfers in.
 
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Didn't like the ND pick so much. Not blaming Allar and saying it is all his fault.
Although he does need to improve in the biggest games this season versus what he has shown.
The ND pick was him trying to do too much at th3 end of the game. Happens to the best QBs...especially when they're young.

Now, that said, his performance in that game was flat out not good enough...happens...but he has to learn from it.
 
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I agree, and the staff obviously agrees at least regarding LB.
Perhaps, but I don’t think the kid from Rutgers or NC will start ahead of Rojas or Deluca. I also fear that some of the younger talented backers on staff could hit the portal after the season if they don’t get playing time.
 
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Because we're trying to win a title do unknowns are too risky. If we're in the portal looking it means they aren't comfortable with the kids. Same reason NFL teams add players via free agency instead on just playing the guys they drafted. The game had changed drastically. For better or worse is debatable but you have to embrace it to contend.
With all due respect to the kid from Rutgers, I have a hard time believing a former three star with two ACL injuries is going to put us over the top. We have three scrimmages to get our you LBs ready.
 
If Allar played for Ohio State this past year..he would have been the Number One QB selected in this year's draft... that's as much a testament to their receiving corp than anything...I'll never forget the 1996 Super Bowl where the Steelers with QB Neil O'Donnell lost to the Cowboys...though he (NOD) threw 3 interceptions..the Steelers were still in the game due to some of the incredible catches made by Andre Hastings and Yancey Thigpen...O'Donnel left afterwards to join the Jets in a $25MM deal..lasted only 2 years after going 0-6? , 0-7? his first year..bad offense , execution etc...he was basically done after the Steelers..you put any QB in a great system with excellent surrounding cast..and you will be great...and of course the opposite is true..is Will Howard a 'great" QB ? Jury is out..but he does have a Natty...who wouldn't have been great throwing to those guys LY...it appears this year...Allar should be great this coming year..he has the supporting cast at every position around him...
Or more likely would have been replaced early in the first season he started due to not throwing the ball down the field, and transferred.

OSU has multiple 5 star QB’s complete to start every year and their recent starters have all played better than Allar did comparing 1st and 2nd years as starters.
 
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Perhaps, but I don’t think the kid from Rutgers or NC will start ahead of Rojas or Deluca. I also fear that some of the younger talented backers on staff could hit the portal after the season if they don’t get playing time.
Yep, Franklin is either mortaging the future or forcing himself into perpetual portal reliance if he brings in more transfers and loses the developing talent he seems to be recruiting over.

Robinson seemed to be a future inside LB starter and he’s gone to USC which seems to speak for his talent.
 
Perhaps, but I don’t think the kid from Rutgers or NC will start ahead of Rojas or Deluca. I also fear that some of the younger talented backers on staff could hit the portal after the season if they don’t get playing time.

People on here think starters are the only players that matter.
 
People on here think starters are the only players that matter.
Point is that if they bring in someone to replace young backups, those young backups with upside potential could leave. I understand the need for depth. We have young linebackers and we will be playing with only 2 linebackers in this defense.
 
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Point is that if they bring in someone to replace young backups, those young backups with upside potential could leave. I understand the need for depth. We have young linebackers and we will be playing with only 2 linebackers in this defense.

JF is always going to put the best product on the field as possible. Not going to worry about things you can’t control. If kids are good enough they’ll see the field. Not going to worry about a kid transferring who can’t get any/enough snaps on a thin LB crew.

Dabo Swinney already tried your theory.
 
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Yep, Franklin is either mortaging the future or forcing himself into perpetual portal reliance if he brings in more transfers and loses the developing talent he seems to be recruiting over.

Robinson seemed to be a future inside LB starter and he’s gone to USC which seems to speak for his talent.

Franklin is playing the portal game on an "as needed" basis in my opinion. He doesn't go out and buy the #1 FS and #1 RB just because they are out there.

We've brought in 3 portal WRs because we lost 2 starters to the portal and they weren't good enough to win the semifinals. It might seem like a lot, but do we really want to potentially waste the roster retention of Singleton, Allar, Vega, etc on a group of WRs with less than 30 career receptions simply because they were home grown?

Is this any different than bringing in Harris and Kimber after King, Dixon, and Hardy graduated?

Robinson seemed like a guy who would compete for reps. Rojas is the one who shot up the depth chart. I hated losing Robinson, but he either left for more money or better opportunity. A team with 4 LBs on the field sounds like better opportunity than a team with 2.
 
Franklin is playing the portal game on an "as needed" basis in my opinion. He doesn't go out and buy the #1 FS and #1 RB just because they are out there.

We've brought in 3 portal WRs because we lost 2 starters to the portal and they weren't good enough to win the semifinals. It might seem like a lot, but do we really want to potentially waste the roster retention of Singleton, Allar, Vega, etc on a group of WRs with less than 30 career receptions simply because they were home grown?

Is this any different than bringing in Harris and Kimber after King, Dixon, and Hardy graduated?

Robinson seemed like a guy who would compete for reps. Rojas is the one who shot up the depth chart. I hated losing Robinson, but he either left for more money or better opportunity. A team with 4 LBs on the field sounds like better opportunity than a team with 2.
Yep, Franklin would like a little more experience at LB and/or DT. Why not. He has some NIL to attract a couple more players, room on the roster as he has it figured, and why not make the team as good and experienced as possible which helps mitigate the injuries that alway arise.

I just don't buy in to the "not enough talent" story. There is plenty of talent at LB, it's just inexperienced. Pretty much the same at DT as the 4 redshirt freshmen look like the nucleus of the the DT room a year or two from now but they have only minor experience.

Nothing wrong with wanting to win. As long as he can hang on to the young talent he and his staff spent much energy recruiting and is already on the roster so it develops at PSU and not somewhere else.
 
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With all due respect to the kid from Rutgers, I have a hard time believing a former three star with two ACL injuries is going to put us over the top. We have three scrimmages to get our you LBs ready.
He may or may not (likely won't) but if the staff is pursuing them that means they believe he's better than their current options
 
Point is that if they bring in someone to replace young backups, those young backups with upside potential could leave. I understand the need for depth. We have young linebackers and we will be playing with only 2 linebackers in this defense.
I get the concern but the job is to field the best team--kids will leave--that's just part of it.
 
Yep, Franklin is either mortaging the future or forcing himself into perpetual portal reliance if he brings in more transfers and loses the developing talent he seems to be recruiting over.

Robinson seemed to be a future inside LB starter and he’s gone to USC which seems to speak for his talent.
We need depth to replace Robinson. That is the basic strategy. Any current LB who gets his undies in a wad over us getting a portal LB to bolster our depth is just afraid to compete or just thinking of himself not the team. We don't need guys with that kind of attitude.
 
Yep, Franklin is either mortaging the future or forcing himself into perpetual portal reliance if he brings in more transfers and loses the developing talent he seems to be recruiting over.

Robinson seemed to be a future inside LB starter and he’s gone to USC which seems to speak for his talent.

Dabo Swinney already proved you to be wrong.

How many transfers have we brought in? How many current players have left bc we brought in transfers? Its not even close. Huge net win for new transfers.

Franklin does it the right way. Brings in a few transfers to fill gaps.
 
Yep, Franklin is either mortaging the future or forcing himself into perpetual portal reliance if he brings in more transfers and loses the developing talent he seems to be recruiting over.

Robinson seemed to be a future inside LB starter and he’s gone to USC which seems to speak for his talent.
You can't worry about the future. That's a complete unknown. Robinson could have left for more money next year even if he started this year.

His only job is to put the best players on the field. Either via the portal or his current roster.

With the portal kids are going to leave and you simply use the portal to replace them.

If we want to be elite we need to get used to this. See how many kids leave Ohio State Texas Georgia Bama etc. Their coaches aren't dumb...they just understand you can't make everyone happy.
 
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