Team Champ should be like the CFB playoff
- Thread starter Abro1975
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The current Flo Wrestling ranking are 1. PSU, 2. Iowa, 3. Oklahoma St, 4. NC St (
That's true. But there would be the same argument about VT v NC St.that is causing the current controversy.
Intermat Dual Team Ranking has it 1. PSU, 2. Iowa, 3. VaTech, 4. NC State, and 5. Okie State. Also, VaTech was the ACC Champion, not NC State and beat them in a Dual this past Sunday 19-14 which determined the Champion.
Have it in late January and as a one day tournament featuring the top 8 teams according to the coaches poll. Seed it exactly according to the poll and crown an actual dual champion every year. It would be a big hit. Hold it in the cities who are bidding to host the future NCAA tournaments. It would be a good trial run for the cities as far as if the primary fans liked the venue, city, etc. I think at least some fans would travel for this.
I like the current format with the caveat that the #1 and #2 Ranked teams wrestle each other irregardless of their conference affiliation if they have not met during regular season. I also think the higher ranked team in each match up should get to host the dual.
A match between PSU and Iowa would have been epic this weekend and made for great story lines heading into the BIG 10 tournament. Not sure what the other match ups would have been since the 3rd through 7th place teams are not BIG 10 teams.
A match between PSU and Iowa would have been epic this weekend and made for great story lines heading into the BIG 10 tournament. Not sure what the other match ups would have been since the 3rd through 7th place teams are not BIG 10 teams.
The real team championship is one month from now.
A final 4 With PSU dualing NC State (or Okie St) and Iowa Vs. Va Tech; the winners meeting in the finals would have been highly entertaining IMO.
I don't know so I'm asking. Do you think our guys are going into tomorrow with the feeling and the fire that tomorrow is for a championship, or just another dual? They're going to obviously wrestle to win, but the whole dual championship thing just seems like another step in the road instead of somthing they would have set as a goal.
One match is enough like in the current format. I don't like the January idea that JPW mentioned because how can you have a champion with so much season left to wrestle. I think if folks would value the dual championship more, it would be worth more of a bracket style, multiple match competition, but I don't think people care that much.
The dual champion is not for "the championship". The National Champion is determined in March at the NCAA National Championship Tournament.
I don't think they view this as the prize they are after, they will try their best, but for example if someone was iffy with an injury, I don't think Cael would let them wrestle, even if that decision put the dual in jeopardy, he would save them for the Big10.
Doesn't matter if you have it in January or February, National Duals does not determine "the champion", the NCAA National Tournament in March does.
Disagree strongly. If the B1G Conference is completely unconcerned with determining an outright regular season "Dual Champion", why should we be so concerned with determining it on a national level? The ACC did determine an outright regular season Dual Match "Champion", VaTech and the NWCA decided that their outright ACC DUAL CHAMPIONSHIP was meaningless and irrelevant in determining their and the 2nd Place ACC Dual Season team's placement (who was a wildcard team in the NWCA)?????
The NWCA is their own worst enemy in claiming that "Dual Outcomes" are so important in determining the best team! Their ACTIONS speak louder than their words in regards to their own beliefs of how important dual results are in determining the absolute strength of a team as compared to one another. Even these hypocrites don't believe the bull$hit they're attempting to sell. National Duals with good matchups of Conference Regular-Season Dual Champions is a fun event, but it is meaningless in determining the absolute best team in a conference or the nation -- only the post-season Conference and NCAA National Tournaments can do that.
Well you get lots of fun match-ups of Conference Regular Season Champions (e.g., Conference Dual Team Champions) that you rarely get to see because the best teams from each conference are the ones participating. It's fun to see the teams meet in duals, but in terms of their true meaning, they just don't mean all that much because which team wins any specific dual really depends on when the teams meet, who is dinged-up and is going to wrestle, how the teams' best wrestlers match-up, does a team's worst wrestlers match up against the other teams weaknesses, etc.... Lots of variables in a dual that can impact an outcome, but injuries and timing are two very important ones because a team may not want to wrestle somebody because they may not want to risk their ranking right before nationals or risk an injury in a meaningless dual......
It's all about "the process", Creek Side. They'll be up for the dual, but not because it's for some mythical championship. Coach teaches the wrestlers to be ready and wrestle their best, regardless of opponent, tournament or dual, doesn't matter. Explains why they are so loose and ready to go, more so than other teams at B1G's and NCAA's. Sound so simple, but the message really resonates with our guys.
Not sure what you disagree strongly about? I never said anything about BIG regular season "dual champions", but we do share that distinction with Iowa right? I am with you in the fact the BIG doesn't put much thought into their scheduling but thats on them. The wrestling coaches obviously can't control the BIG schedule but do have say in what takes place at the National Duals. So make the Duals a great event!
The fact of the matter is the Dual Championships are not going away, so why don't we just make them better? Have you seen all the media attention and message board chatter about the Dual Championships this week! It is promoting the sport and getting more National exposure, which IMO is a great thing for the sport.
Not sure about the national exposure. But there are 16 schools and their local media that are at least paying some sort of attention.
The NWCA has had a NWCA dual tournament for quite a while and the one thing that is certain is the NWCA is not renowned for their promotional skills. There is a 20+ year record of NWCA dual tournaments. The wrestling fan base has spoken. They will pay attention to such an event, but it is not something the fan base is emotionally involved with and they are not going to open their wallets and financially support the thing.
I have no idea if this will prove to be successful or not. Next year the events will be hosted by non big-10 schools and without Iowa and Penn State as hosts the overall attendance numbers will take a hit. However, trying something different and hoping for better results is so much more enlightened than trying the same bloody thing over and over hoping for improved results.
Just a continuation. I really wish it was possible to get the BTN on board. Televise all 8 bouts. Two on Friday nights, 3 on Saturday and 3 more on Sunday.
The one sport the Big-10 is without any doubt the premier conference is wrestling. Spend at little extra time promoting that fact and those athletes.
The one sport the Big-10 is without any doubt the premier conference is wrestling. Spend at little extra time promoting that fact and those athletes.
i've said my piece before on the big10 and you are right... the one sport they dominate...... Flo was trying to say tv is not the big deal as they don't know how to promote it so wrestling ratings are very poor (they cited the early season all star classic). The thing on TV is that they can reach out to a larger non-targeted audience if promoted and presented better.
I disagree that the NWCA places the same importance on dual outcomes in determining the absolute best team - the very thing they claim is the necessity of having a National Duals Tournament - that they say they do! Their hypocrisy is revealed in their own voting when they vote the ACC "auto-qualifier" Regular Season Dual Meet Champion below the 2nd Place finishing ACC Dual Team in their own freaking Poll used for "placement" in their supposed "all important" National Dual Tournament! Rather stupid to claim Dual outcomes are so important and then $hit all over VaTech in favor of NC State despite the fact that VaTech was the ACC Regular-Season Dual Match Champion and beat NC State in a dual the day of the final NWCA Poll to determine the ACC Regular-Season Dual Match Champion! I guess the outcomes of "dual matches" are irrelevant in determining the best team in a Conference according to the NWCA, but we should use this standard to determine the best team in the nation???
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