I liked it but I hate Michigan.
Bo was a Michigan Man. Michigan Men are the worst kind of people, although your average mouthbreathing Ohio State media writer isn't far behind.
A plague on both houses.
The Biggest Snub in Sports History - video
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A plague on both houses.
The losses to greatly overmatched Stanford and UCLA teams were terrible and cost OSU 2 national titles.
I was listening in my car while ditching my wife at a wedding reception in Crntral Jersey.
Thought the same thing..
The bs he pulled in '76 was versus Penn State. He never shook Joe's hand. He won the game and just runs off with this dumb as a$$ grin on his face. Joe was looking for him to do the post game handshake. A bush league move for the ages. I don't think out of character for the guy either, I think very much in character.
Vermeil totally outcoached him in the '76 Rose Bowl with inferior talent.
Also think about this. He had Archie Griffin, Cornelius Greene and Pete Johnson in the same backfield for the '74 and '75 seasons. Plus a powerful offensive line. In an era where it was run run run and the passing offenses were unsophisticated. Having a great running back, a shifty running QB and a powerful fullback with a strong O-Line was a huge advantage and a recipe to win. Yet, he comes up empty laying two eggs in back to back Rose Bowls.
That could be said of almost any of OSU-Hayes losses back in the 70s
Woody had a hair trigger temper and was an ahole on the field. Off the field he had many admirable qualities. For instance:
"Of the 27 freshmen who came here on football scholarships in the fall of 1959, 24 will be around this fall. Normally you can expect 40% of the students entering a big university to graduate. On the Ohio State football squad we graduate 70% to 80%. How can anyone condemn college football when they see a figure like that?
Money apparently means nothing to Hayes. His salary is $20,000 a year, and on at least two occasions he has turned down raises, requesting that the money be split up among his coaching staff.
[Ahole faculty voting to keep undefeated OSU out of Rose Bowl in 1960]
"I don't agree with those 28 no votes," he said, "but I respect the integrity of the men who cast them, if not their intelligence. I would not want football to drive a line of cleavage in our university. Football is not worth that." https://vault.si.com/vault/1962/09/24/you-love-woody-or-hate-him
"Of the 27 freshmen who came here on football scholarships in the fall of 1959, 24 will be around this fall. Normally you can expect 40% of the students entering a big university to graduate. On the Ohio State football squad we graduate 70% to 80%. How can anyone condemn college football when they see a figure like that?
Money apparently means nothing to Hayes. His salary is $20,000 a year, and on at least two occasions he has turned down raises, requesting that the money be split up among his coaching staff.
[Ahole faculty voting to keep undefeated OSU out of Rose Bowl in 1960]
"I don't agree with those 28 no votes," he said, "but I respect the integrity of the men who cast them, if not their intelligence. I would not want football to drive a line of cleavage in our university. Football is not worth that." https://vault.si.com/vault/1962/09/24/you-love-woody-or-hate-him
Yeah but every great coach has had their fair share of duds. Even Meyer had 2015 Michigan State. Are you prepared to explain what the hell Ohio State was doing on offense in that game? Lol
Yes. They lost Tom Hermann as offensive coordinator and appointed the offensive line coach as the coordinator and he wasn't up to the job. He did a poor job the whole year and it was a very talented team that underperformed all year.
The real duds under Urban Meyer were losing to Purdue and Iowa. Until Ryan Day lost to Michigan this year he had never lost a team with less talent than Ohio State.
Losing at Iowa was not a big deal. Iowa was very solid (top 30 in SRS) and it was AT IOWA. You know how it is at Kinnick. Iowa also was pretty talented: Hockenson, Fant, Jewell, Epenesa, you get the idea. What WAS inexcusable was losing 55-31 or whatever it was. I think that was because Ohio State's defensive front was poorly aligned the whole game.
Losing to Purdue is not exactly a freak occurrence at Ohio State, though.
There are series that are just fluky. For example, Penn State virtually always kills Indiana in Beaver Stadium (there have only been two close games between the two in PA) but Penn State AT Indiana has ALWAYS been really weird. There's just no explanation for it, but close games in 1996, 2000, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2017, 2020, and some others I'm forgetting. Purdue and Ohio State is similar. Inferior Purdue teams have upset Ohio State teams under Hayes, Bruce, Cooper, Tressel, and Meyer. Purdue also almost won in 2012 and Ohio State benefited from an extremely ticky tack pass interference late in the 4th quarter when Kenny Guiton led a drive. That's just Purdue-Ohio State.
losing to Purdue once, by Meyer, I just don't hold that against him. Purdue just does that to Ohio State about once a decade.
Another series like that was Iowa-Northwestern under Randy Walker and Fitzgerald. Inferior NW teams just had a knack for beating Iowa.
All I remember is going to Iowa football message boards before the game and all of the Iowa commenters thought they had zero chance to win the game. Pretty sure JT Barrett's first pass was intercepted and returned for touchdown. This was immediately after his very good performance in coming back to win the game against Penn state. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong in that game.
The Purdue loss was horrible and it looked like Ohio State gave up in that game it was so bad.
I agree with you that certain teams just play above their ability in certain matchups. For instance, a while back Northwestern always gave Michigan a tough game.
One thing I've learned is you can't judge anything by message boards.
Penn State fans are historically so pessimistic that, frankly, I think a lot of them are b****es. I actually wish we were as pro-Penn State as most Ohio State fans are pro-Ohio State.
Only Penn State would not even claim 1994. Here you have a team that went undefeated in domination fashion against a very good schedule, and has been recognized by seven different "NCAA-recognized selectors" like the NYT poll and Sagarin in addition to a plethora of later metrics like Bill Connelly's. And we don't claim it. Meanwhile, Ohio State claims 1970 - I don't think that's a good claim but at least you guys have some ambition and pride about it.
Iowa fans tend to be similar to Penn State fans. I've got a lot of Iowa friends and when it comes to football, they've been very dour and pessimistic for a while. I said before that game that I thought Iowa had a chance: they were better than their record, it was at home in an extremely tough and fluky venue, and Ohio State had just expended tremendous amounts of physical and emotional energy beating us in a comeback.
The worst are Michigan fans. I hate Ohio State and Michigan about equally, but, when it comes to fans, Michigan fans are not just obnoxious, they exercise a form of revisionist history. Only Michigan fans could convince the world that Connor Stallions was just a rogue staffer. Yeah, a rogue staffer who went to Central Michigan games in disguise for no reason. What a bunch of idiots.
Ohio State definitely gave up after a few of those Rondale Moore plays.
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