I do agree with you that Cliff's poor play impacted the gameplan. PSU ran 78 plays on the day and 3/4 of them (58) were runs. At some point, CJF decided to just grind out a win and move on. Just thankful our running game was up to the task - putting up 220 yards.
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I do agree with you that Cliff's poor play impacted the gameplan. PSU ran 78 plays on the day and 3/4 of them (58) were runs. At some point, CJF decided to just grind out a win and move on. Just thankful our running game was up to the task - putting up 220 yards.
Not like Illinois in that Penn State was not shoved around their own home field. A very positive development with this year’s team. 2022 PSU has the potential to be good - even very good.
But great? Despite having the 2nd best talent in Big10? Not unless they suddenly start playing sound, smart football?
Possible? Well Charlie Brown thought he would kick the football some year. After 8 years, what does everyone think?
100% agree here. This game was about getting out alive to fight another day pretty much from the first snap. People may not like it, but it's what you do with superior talent.
I think limiting the # of throws was the game plan from the outset. I don't think he foresaw fumbling being as extreme as it was.
Really? NW pushes in that 4th and goal and the pressure would have been like a vise…just more undisciplined football…the beat goes on…
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Michigan definitely has a higher team composite. You can look it up on 247. We have the 3rd best talent in the big 10. Ohio St is easily first there and has like 50% more 5 stars than the rest of the conference combined.
Agree. PSU wanted no part of that game yesterday especially in the second half. Franklion’s teams do not play well in bad weather. They just don’t.
I know this hard for people to understand but sometimes the best thing to do is go full conservative into a shell. Everyone in stadium knew NW wasn't capable of 3 unanswered scores and they'd magically win that game.
At which point you go full Kirk Ferentz mode and make it as ugly and conservative as possible. Run it into the line, play field position and defense. Believe it or not this strategy has won a lot of football games ... Specifically by some former PSU coach, among others.
I know everyone wants high flying stats with highlight real plays but yesterday was not the day to do that.
In fact putting the ball on the edge and throwing it around was the only chance NW had to make a score off say a fumble or pick outside the hashes where it's much easier to scoop and score. they weren't gonna drive down the defenses throat drive after drive.
In order to win a championship, you do what you have to do to survive, regardless of what it may or may not look like.
At which point you go full Kirk Ferentz mode and make it as ugly and conservative as possible. Run it into the line, play field position and defense. Believe it or not this strategy has won a lot of football games ... Specifically by some former PSU coach, among others.
I know everyone wants high flying stats with highlight real plays but yesterday was not the day to do that.
In fact putting the ball on the edge and throwing it around was the only chance NW had to make a score off say a fumble or pick outside the hashes where it's much easier to scoop and score. they weren't gonna drive down the defenses throat drive after drive.
In order to win a championship, you do what you have to do to survive, regardless of what it may or may not look like.
It happens all the time when a kid struggles just not at Penn State. I guess you never watched Urban Meyer (who I have disdain for) remove his quarterbacks for poor play. It's not about if you're winning the game at the moment,the decision should be what gives me the best chance to win the game. Big difference.
Maybe you should watch the 2018 National Title game when Sabean removed Hurts for Tua.
If team knows Allar is better quarterback Franklin is going to cause a divide. Allar deserved a series or two yesterday.
Under CJF, PSU has a weird habit of playing up or down to their opponents level. The good thing about this is that PSU rarely gets blown-out and is almost always in the game no matter the opponent. The bad thing is losing some close games to opponents we shouldn't have lost to. It's weird, in Franklin's first couple years post full-85manroster PSU won most of the close ones, but the last several years he's lost most of them.
The scUM game will follow this script again imho, but the intangibles favor scUM - especially home-field ADV and the Referines.
You can’t honestly stand by that statement when Penn State players are all over NFL rosters. Penn State has more NFL guys than Michigan, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida.
https://theathletic.com/3597798/2022/09/15/alabama-nfl-week-1-rosters/
Well, let's face it, the playing conditions made the game somewhat unique and "anything can happen" from the get go. Point Spreads are meaningless in those types of conditions which severely limit playbooks. The better team will typically win, but those types of conditions will tend to dampen scoring severely. As they approached game time, I would be very surprised if you could still bet the under.
It doesn’t happen all the time, it almost never happens which is why everyone always brings up the Tua situation, it’s all they have. I never saw Urban pull his starter against us and they were always close and often their QB didn’t play well. I watch a ton of college football every season and almost never see it.
I agree with you that standards need to be higher but I never once was mildly concerned about that game. They need to play better--we agree--but you need to stop acting like we almost lost. Just like CMU I was never, not for a second, worried.
It doesn't look like they are taught to put two hands on the ball in traffic. Lee has always been a fumbler, he always carries it loosely.
I'm sure if Drew was out playing Clifford in practice he would be the starter, they practice against a great secondary.
I'm sure if Drew was out playing Clifford in practice he would be the starter, they practice against a great secondary.
To be fair, isn't that something they should have be taught since they were about 12?
Now this is a prediction we can all get behind, but a week early, We will be 5-0 after next week, too! And then we will either be 6-0 or 5-1.
Try not to explain factual reality to the scUM trolls - they're a little light in the cognitive department, so take it easy on them (at one point they attempted to claim that you only need a toe to land in bounds for a completed catch and it doesn't matter if the heel of the foot those toes are attached to comes down out-of-bounds. I kid you not on this BTW - scUM trolls argued for weeks on end that only a toe needs to touch in-bounds first for a completed catch even if the heel of the foot those toes are attached to comes down OB.).
Well at least he didn’t fumble the game away in the closing minutes like Will “Heisman” Levis.
Typically it is done when a coach is uncertain of which quarterback will respond better playing with the first team talent. Normally 2 young kids trying to prove themselves. Franklin should know what he had in Clifford and you as a fan should see it. Does he have the fortitude to give Allar a chance to play in tough game situation if Clifford is struggling in a close game Any coach can make a change when you're down 20.
I personally saw PSU win their first National Title and have talked to numerous players about the Blackledge and Hosteller situation. They almost all said the Jeff was better and more liked on team. Paterno chose Blackledge not because of talent but for his of persona and his willingness to be a "Company Man".
That qoute is from one of his ex players who became Division 1 Head coach.
Bad weather is an equalizer. Who knows how the next stretch plays out but I wouldn’t take much from yesterday’s game.
Bills lost to Pats in the “wind game” last year where throwing was impossible. Fans panicked. Bills destroyed them the next two games.
Some quarterbacks are mudders some are not.
Hand size and the ability to throw tight spiral is what typically is the difference during an inclement wet game.
I'm not saying a monsoon or a gale force winds.
Yesterday was sloppy game with some wind.
They were ranked number 1 in country.
Urban Meyer talks Ohio State's quarterback change: 'What's wrong with Ohio State? Everything's fine'
"To score 38 points against (Penn State) and run for 350 yards and I hear, 'What's wrong with the offense?' That's one of those, 'What did you just say?' What's wrong with the offense? The offense is great."
They were ranked number 1 in country.
Urban Meyer talks Ohio State's quarterback change: 'What's wrong with Ohio State? Everything's fine'
"To score 38 points against (Penn State) and run for 350 yards and I hear, 'What's wrong with the offense?' That's one of those, 'What did you just say?' What's wrong with the offense? The offense is great."www.cleveland.com
Quote from link...
"Now that Barrett is ready to make his 13th career start..."
Urban didn't replace his QB1 with a true freshman. He replaced him with the guy who was starting in '14 before injury. Then in '15, he stayed with the guy who played in the title game.
Barrett went on to throw for 46 yards vs Sparty in the defacto East division final. Never once put Jones in, but I don't know the specifics behind that.
Maybe this will validate a coach making a change with a Freshman Quarterback!
Clemson turns to frosh Lawrence as starting QB
Clemson freshman Trevor Lawrence, who looked dominant in a win over Georgia Tech on Saturday, has been named the Tigers' new starting quarterback.
Maybe this will validate a coach making a change with a Freshman Quarterback!
Clemson turns to frosh Lawrence as starting QB
Clemson freshman Trevor Lawrence, who looked dominant in a win over Georgia Tech on Saturday, has been named the Tigers' new starting quarterback.www.espn.com
Sure.
Just so you understand, I tend to be a conservative and patient fan. What I referenced was as bad as Clifford was playing , I think it was a game that offered an opportunity to give Allar a couple of series. If he struggled, go back to Clifford.
We have watched Sean struggle with basic fundamentals for 4 plus years.. The throwing off back foot causing the ball to be sail. Not stepping to the target on crossing patterns. Not stepping up in pocket and always going back. Locking onto a receiver and not seeing the field especially on scrambles.
Am I missing something on why he is the must choice at quarterback. Franklin didn't recognize a more talented kid from 2 years ago in Levis who will be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I know what we have with Sean , I think we all would like to know what we have in Drew even if he's a freshman.
We have watched Sean struggle with basic fundamentals for 4 plus years.. The throwing off back foot causing the ball to be sail. Not stepping to the target on crossing patterns. Not stepping up in pocket and always going back. Locking onto a receiver and not seeing the field especially on scrambles.
Am I missing something on why he is the must choice at quarterback. Franklin didn't recognize a more talented kid from 2 years ago in Levis who will be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I know what we have with Sean , I think we all would like to know what we have in Drew even if he's a freshman.
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You can in a game like yesterday. Coach can always use weather as why he did it.
I’m watching a ton of fumbles and bad passes and drops and bad snaps in the rain in the NFL today. You know… Pros that are coached on fundamentals.
I think folks need to relax and try to find a way to enjoy a double-digit win in a monsoon and 5-0 record.
I think folks need to relax and try to find a way to enjoy a double-digit win in a monsoon and 5-0 record.
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It doesn't make any sense. I like Allar and I'm also frustrated by Clifford but under no circumstance do you go to Allar yesterday with those conditions especially when you watch the other freshman turn the ball over.
 | 60-1 | D | The Nittany Lions topped Northwestern 17-7 in what was a rather lackluster performance at home. James Franklin's team turned the ball over five times and looked disinterested for essentially the entire game. |
That’s not trying to find a way to enjoy a win and 5-0 start.
60-1 D The Nittany Lions topped Northwestern 17-7 in what was a rather lackluster performance at home. James Franklin's team turned the ball over five times and looked disinterested for essentially the entire game.
There was no enjoying that game, or 'finding a way to enjoy it afterward.' Both teams played under identical conditions, though PSU benefited being at home. This on the heels of failing to cover at home with a +4 turnover margin vs. now 1-4 CMU.
As I stated last evening, polls dictate bowls; PSU has no signature win, but some dubious ones. UGA just paid the price for poor performance. Style points count.
They have an off week to get it together, because the rest of the October opponents won't be so forgiving.
And heading into the Rutgers game…not exactly like going on the road to play the #4 team in the country.They were ranked number 1 in country.
Urban Meyer talks Ohio State's quarterback change: 'What's wrong with Ohio State? Everything's fine'
"To score 38 points against (Penn State) and run for 350 yards and I hear, 'What's wrong with the offense?' That's one of those, 'What did you just say?' What's wrong with the offense? The offense is great."
