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"The 'pros' are telling me I'm a 1st rounder!" So does this player retire with 3/4 games left?

My greatest mentor went to the U of Tennessee for a year as a programmer in 1977. After his freshmen year, went back to LA where he took an assignment to program devices made from a company that decided to withdraw from the US market even though they had a fairly sizable market. He became an expert, overnight, and was in high demand. By the end of the summer, he had "hired" three friends to help him. They weren't actually employees that is why I put them in parentheses. When it came time to go back to college, one company offered to triple his income to finish the job. He decided to take a year off to make that money. In that year, he legally became a company and hired five more people. By the time he would have graduated college, he has 24 employees and his company was worth close to $10m and was split by the original four people. One employee came to him and said that they could duplicate the functionality with networked PCs so that these companies were dependent on devices that were no longer supported. The other three owners didn't want to do that feeling it would cannibalize their revenue. So he got some investors to guy out the other three. He owned 51% while three others owned 29%, 10% and 10%. He ended up selling that company in 2001 for $100m. he has since gone on to start and sell two other companies. He is now a venture capitalist and sits on the boards of five companies.

The point? You go to college to learn how to make money and sustain your life and family. When college is no longer the conduit to that goal, it is time to leave.

My friend, BTW, went back to college at age 50 and earned a bachelor's degree in theology.

I really dislike what college football has become but that is selfish on my part. I like it for the kids. I can't imagine being poor and playing in front of thousands of millionaires, putting my health at risk, and not getting a piece of the hundreds of millions of dollars being earned on college football. I get that a lot of that goes to, basically, charity to fund other kid's sports 'ships, but isn't charity voluntary? (unless you work for a company invested in the United Way)?
How many make those millions? How many keep them after 5 years out the league?I heard something like 50-75% are bankrupt at that time .
 
Exactly. I wish guys like Micah well, but he was not, nor will ever be a Lion great. He walked away from his responsibilities after one full season to SIT ON HIS ASS. There seems to be a lot of 'I' s on the Penn State t-e-a-m.
That said, I give a big shout-out to everyone who is playing in the Outback Bowl and good luck to those sitting it out.
Maybe this is the price for recruiting 4 and 5 star players.
 
How many make those millions? How many keep them after 5 years out the league?I heard something like 50-75% are bankrupt at that time .
You do realize the minimum salary for a practice squad player is $255,000 a year. With a vast majority of the year off. So if you never suit up and hang on to the practice squad for 4 years, like most guys do, you've made a million dollars by the time your 26 years old. That doesn't include the world class medical, healing, training and dieting you get along the way.
Let's not go comparing new college grads to athletes that were used up by a university for a few years over some classes, room and board and some free sweatshirts and backpacks.
 
Exactly. I wish guys like Micah well, but he was not, nor will ever be a Lion great. He walked away from his responsibilities after one full season to SIT ON HIS ASS. There seems to be a lot of 'I' s on the Penn State t-e-a-m.
That said, I give a big shout-out to everyone who is playing in the Outback Bowl and good luck to those sitting it out.
He didn’t sit on his a$$. He prepped for his occupation where he is excelling. It’s odd that players looking out for themselves over your opinion are the villains. There seems to be a lot of geriatric takes on this site. Sorry you bought the NCAA’s fairy tale of this being an amateur sport. It hasn’t been in decades.
 
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There are things to have allegiance to other than the almighty buck.
How man years do they have to makes those bucks? This idea they can play forever or their occupation is the same as others in an office is really out of touch IMO. Setting themselves up for a more comfortable life isn’t some high crime. In the grand scheme of things, moving up in the draft is probably better for them than playing Arkansas. Some fans don’t like it or understand it, but they certainly didn’t have that choice to make.
 
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This thread, that I "unfortunately" started, reminded me of how little "we know" about any sport at the college/pro level. I had a pitcher that could dot an ey/thread a needle with an 88 mph curve ball (fast touched 90 at times)...yet, the most important measurable for/to these scouts, seemed to be the time it took for him to get from the mound to first base. Go figure!
 
So maybe NFL teams should stop putting their top players on the bench in the last few weeks when certain things are locked up?
This is the same premise as opting out of a bowl game that has limited meaning.....
Don't play in the game because the risk of injury is too great and we would like you to be more available and ready for something more meaningful in future.
Don't tell me it is not the same because it is. Don't play a game that has little or no meaning in order to be more ready for something that does have more meaning.
 
So maybe NFL teams should stop putting their top players on the bench in the last few weeks when certain things are locked up?
This is the same premise as opting out of a bowl game that has limited meaning.....
Don't play in the game because the risk of injury is too great and we would like you to be more available and ready for something more meaningful in future.
Don't tell me it is not the same because it is. Don't play a game that has little or no meaning in order to be more ready for something that does have more meaning.
It’s not the same.

How was PSU vs Michigan State any more or less meaningful?
 
You do realize the minimum salary for a practice squad player is $255,000 a year. With a vast majority of the year off. So if you never suit up and hang on to the practice squad for 4 years, like most guys do, you've made a million dollars by the time your 26 years old. That doesn't include the world class medical, healing, training and dieting you get along the way.
Let's not go comparing new college grads to athletes that were used up by a university for a few years over some classes, room and board and some free sweatshirts and backpacks.
And again something like 3/4 are bankrupt five years out of football .
 
How many leaves early? I like freedom of choice
Choice is fine , but the game will change and some will stop watching . Might not matter , it's just money ball now. I know it's turned me off and the major reason I loved psu football will now be gone.
 
It’s not the same.

How was PSU vs Michigan State any more or less meaningful?
If Penn State had won more games and gone to a more a meaningful bowl, things would be different. Less guys would opt out of NY6 even if not in the playoffs. They aren't because they have 5 losses. They put themselves in this position. If Alabama were playing in the Duke's Mayo Bowl the entire team that was draft eligible would opt out. You know why? Because the Duke's Mayo Bowl has little meaning to them personally and to the University, in fact it would be a huge disappointment for the program for them to go there.
Yes, it's the same. You're attaching your own emotions to it, which is the real problem.
 
And again something like 3/4 are bankrupt five years out of football .
Really is that right? I assume you have some metrics to backup that ridiculous claim.
They'll have a lot more fun doing it than some new to the workplace kid making a couple dollars while trying to repay their student loans and trying to furnish their new apartment they just signed a lease on.
 
Really is that right? I assume you have some metrics to backup that ridiculous claim.
They'll have a lot more fun doing it than some new to the workplace kid making a couple dollars while trying to repay their student loans and trying to furnish their new apartment they just signed a lease on.
I was wrong , it's two years.
 
Really is that right? I assume you have some metrics to backup that ridiculous claim.
They'll have a lot more fun doing it than some new to the workplace kid making a couple dollars while trying to repay their student loans and trying to furnish their new apartment they just signed a lease on.
Various surveys , the problem is the nfl is drafting many college athletes that wouldn't be admitted to college based on academics.
 
Forbes a decent source?
 
So if the colleges want to profit from the athletes in trade for a scholarship, fine. You're the NFL's unpaid minor league, it's not college sports.
And most players don't even sniff the draft . We're going to have a minor league system at some time, with most schools just an afterthought .
 
If Penn State had won more games and gone to a more a meaningful bowl, things would be different. Less guys would opt out of NY6 even if not in the playoffs. They aren't because they have 5 losses. They put themselves in this position. If Alabama were playing in the Duke's Mayo Bowl the entire team that was draft eligible would opt out. You know why? Because the Duke's Mayo Bowl has little meaning to them personally and to the University, in fact it would be a huge disappointment for the program for them to go there.
Yes, it's the same. You're attaching your own emotions to it, which is the real problem.
So what was your old screen name?
 
Forbes a decent source?
Not a good source. Especially when they say "estimates"

The National Bureau of Economic Research says 16% of former NFL players go bankrupt.

16%, 75% meh, what's the difference?
 
So if the colleges want to profit from the athletes in trade for a scholarship, fine. You're the NFL's unpaid minor league, it's not college sports.
And most players don't even sniff the draft . We're going to have a minor league system at some time, with most schools just an afterthought .
What does that have to do with Jahan Dotson protecting his financial future?

Seriously.

Penn State made 49 million in net profit last year, so each player on their hundred man roster was worth about 500k in pure profit to the university. Seems like a bad deal for everyone but the school.
 
What does that have to do with Jahan Dotson protecting his financial future?

Seriously.

Penn State made 49 million in net profit last year, so each player on their hundred man roster was worth about 500k in pure profit to the university. Seems like a bad deal for everyone but the school.
Moving the goal posts . I show you my sources , you respond with this?
So why criticize my post with this "assume you have some metrics to backup that ridiculous claim.".
My claim is not ridiculous. Few players make the pros. A high number of these guys have financial difficulties out of the league , but we should hurt the game for an elite few ?
You want the pros let the nfl construct a minor league and really ruin college sports.
 
Moving the goal posts . I show you my sources , you respond with this?
So why criticize my post with this "assume you have some metrics to backup that ridiculous claim.".
My claim is not ridiculous. Few players make the pros. A high number of these guys have financial difficulties out of the league , but we should hurt the game for an elite few ?
You want the pros let the nfl construct a minor league and really ruin college sports.
Comical. Leigh Steinberg making false claims in 2015 as a good source. I guess. Leigh was just guessing too.
The number of guys who opt out is such a small number, I don't understand why anyone would care. Most guys gonna be insurance salesmen next year so how is that creating a minor league? They couldn't even field a full team with guys who opt out let alone a second one to play against.
Stop making small things big.

How exactly does Jahan Dotson protecting his financial future have anything to do with a minor league? Seriously, I want to know.
 
So maybe NFL teams should stop putting their top players on the bench in the last few weeks when certain things are locked up?
This is the same premise as opting out of a bowl game that has limited meaning.....
Don't play in the game because the risk of injury is too great and we would like you to be more available and ready for something more meaningful in future.
Don't tell me it is not the same because it is. Don't play a game that has little or no meaning in order to be more ready for something that does have more meaning.
The NFL players likely don't have a choice. Coach says sit, and they sit.
 
Exactly, the person in charge of looking out for the best interests, reads the situation and makes the most advantageous decision for the future.
So you're saying Franklin told the players to opt out of the bowl game? Franklin told his best players to leave and lessen the teams chances to win? I'm sure he had some input but this was ultimately decided by the players. And if Franklin did tell his best players to leave, he is dumber than I thought.
 
So you're saying Franklin told the players to opt out of the bowl game? Franklin told his best players to leave and lessen the teams chances to win? I'm sure he had some input but this was ultimately decided by the players. And if Franklin did tell his best players to leave, he is dumber than I thought.
I'd say parents are in charge of college kids. They aren't entered into any contract with a team or university or coach. They are just amateur student athletes that colleges use to enhance their product and make money for other endeavors.
 
I'd say parents are in charge of college kids. They aren't entered into any contract with a team or university or coach. They are just amateur student athletes that colleges use to enhance their product and make money for other endeavors.
Wait. I thought Franklin was in charge? Now the parents are?

You don't view the scholarship as a contract? You play football for us and we pay for your school, give you a stipend, and whatever other advantages players are given. Sounds like a contract to me.
 
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Wait. I thought Franklin was in charge? Now the parents are?

You don't view the scholarship as a contract? You play football for us and we pay for your school, give you a stipend, and whatever other advantages players are given. Sounds like a contract to me.
He's a sports junkie, he doesn't care about anything but seeing the games.
 
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He's a sports junkie, he doesn't care about anything but seeing the games.
I only like college football how I envision it.... Where's my megaphone?
Make college football great again!
Franco Harris and Jack Ham would have never opted out of a bowl. Bring back the wing T and no facemasks, and helmet to helmet hits.
College football was so pure when I was in school.....What a joke.
Let me clue you in on a few things. Modern sports reflects those who participate in it. So guess who wants all these things you loathe, players, parents, guardians, coaches and administrators in the modern game. The people who matter, the people who make it what it is. Fans eyes are bought and sold on an industrial media level long before games are even played. They get your money whether you watch or not with your TV subscription.
So take you ball kicking and screaming about how mad you are that Jaquan & Jahan aren't playing for Penn State today because it doesn't meet your vision of how things are supposed to be....You'll show them......with your preconceived bias and limited vision!
 
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