To tell you how much the home court means in college basketball, . . .

[AWS1022]

Shooting 59% from free throw line and 14% from 3 because you aren’t in your home gym is a bad excuse. Indiana found a way to shoot 72% from ft line and 39% from 3 and they were on the road.

So apparently there’s no such thing as home court advantage…someone better tell all the Big 10 teams who lose the majority of their games on the road. All I’m saying is it’s hard enough to win games out of your home gym so you don’t give away home games.

 

[bison13]

So apparently there’s no such thing as home court advantage…someone better tell all the Big 10 teams who lose the majority of their games on the road. All I’m saying is it’s hard enough to win games out of your home gym so you don’t give away home games.

You’re like Lando when you get caught up on one point, it’s not that there isn’t a home court advantage it’s that your assumption that it’s because you’re not used to playing on those rims is the reason.
It’s the fact that teams have a comfort level of routine, not having to sit on a bus or in a hotel room, there’s a home crowd that’s cheering for them, there’s time zone changes an airplane flights. All of those things go into it, the actual hoop and shooting to get used to the gym has way less to do with it than you think.

 

[knickslions]

So apparently there’s no such thing as home court advantage…someone better tell all the Big 10 teams who lose the majority of their games on the road. All I’m saying is it’s hard enough to win games out of your home gym so you don’t give away home games.

I’m not saying there isn’t home court advantage but they didn’t lose this game because of playing in Philly they just played bad. It’s good for program to have games like this

 

[AWS1022]

You’re like Lando when you get caught up on one point, it’s not that there isn’t a home court advantage it’s that your assumption that it’s because you’re not used to playing on those rims is the reason.
It’s the fact that teams have a comfort level of routine, not having to sit on a bus or in a hotel room, there’s a home crowd that’s cheering for them, there’s time zone changes an airplane flights. All of those things go into it, the actual hoop and shooting to get used to the gym has way less to do with it than you think.

I played basketball….it has a lot to do with it especially for shooters….the crowd has far less impact.

 

[AWS1022]

I’m not saying there isn’t home court advantage but they didn’t lose this game because of playing in Philly they just played bad. It’s good for program to have games like this

No way to know that since they can’t go and play the game over at home. And I would say it’s better for the fans than it is for the program.

 

[bison13]

I played basketball….it has a lot to do with it especially for shooters….the crowd has far less impact.

Well, that’s you, I played basketball too, offered to play at plenty of D3 and even a couple D2 schools but chose to do baseball instead. I’ve coached basketball at the division three level and 20+ years at the high school level, kids all tell me crowd affects them more than the gym.

 

[AWS1022]

Well, that’s you, I played basketball too, offered to play at plenty of D3 and even a couple D2 schools but chose to do baseball instead. I’ve coached basketball at the division three level and 20+ years at the high school level, kids all tell me crowd affects them more than the gym.

Then they’re likely not shooters.

 

[bison13]

Then they’re likely not shooters.

No, I guarantee right now. I’d beat you in a three-point shooting contest and so would most of those guys considering I’ve had over 30 kids go play in college and had the first team all county point guard in 15 of the last 24 years.

 

[Agoodnap]

Agree, a sitting was when he picked up his second foul, not about an injury. He was on the bike just to stay loose in case they did any kind of offense, defense substitutions. The problem was they let Indiana get too easy of shots the first three minutes of the second half. And then as they came back, they missed too many free throws.

Ace now isn't playing at all...

It happened about 4 minutes into the Indiana game.

 

[AWS1022]

No, I guarantee right now. I’d beat you in a three-point shooting contest and so would most of those guys considering I’ve had over 30 kids go play in college and had the first team all county point guard in 15 of the last 24 years.

With all that experience I’m surprised you don’t realize that players usually shoot better on rims they’re more familiar with.

 

[bison13]

With all that experience I’m surprised you don’t realize that players usually shoot better on rims they’re more familiar with.

this shows you dont get what we are talking about. any player can go in to any gym in america and if the rims are 10' you are going to shoot the same, the home court advantage is about the ATMOSPHERE not the damn hoops/rims. Hell go watch a practice in a big gym and half the time they have 8-10 portable hoops up there in different locations than the main floor. Kids grow up playing all over the country, in different gyms/courts, they can shoot well in all of them.

Matter of fact, the gym that I shot the best in for my career was our biggest rivals. Maybe I just got up for the game a little more since they always had great crowds but tournament MVP, 10 3's in a game there (out of 14), carrer average over 25 a game there and the only times I ever shot in that gym were on game days.

 

[AWS1022]

this shows you dont get what we are talking about. any player can go in to any gym in america and if the rims are 10' you are going to shoot the same, the home court advantage is about the ATMOSPHERE not the damn hoops/rims. Hell go watch a practice in a big gym and half the time they have 8-10 portable hoops up there in different locations than the main floor. Kids grow up playing all over the country, in different gyms/courts, they can shoot well in all of them.

Matter of fact, the gym that I shot the best in for my career was our biggest rivals. Maybe I just got up for the game a little more since they always had great crowds but tournament MVP, 10 3's in a game there (out of 14), carrer average over 25 a game there and the only times I ever shot in that gym were on game days.

The rims are all 10 feet, but they’re not all the same…some are tight, some are loose, the backdrop is different in all gyms, etc. Some gyms are shooter friendly and some aren’t. If it was about atmosphere, then why did every Big 10 team do better at home than on the road in 2021 when they were playing in empty gyms?

 

[bison13]

The rims are all 10 feet, but they’re not all the same…some are tight, some are loose, the backdrop is different in all gyms, etc. Some gyms are shooter friendly and some aren’t. If it was about atmosphere, then why did every Big 10 team do better at home than on the road in 2021 when they were playing in empty gyms?

Good lord you're dense, I just emailed all my basketball coach friends. HS, D3, one who is on PSU Mens staff. None of them agree with you. You have a team shoot around in the away gym before the game, you have pre game, many kids have played in that gym multiple times. ITS NOT THE RIMS AND THE BACKDROP

 

[ryoder1]

Good lord you're dense, I just emailed all my basketball coach friends. HS, D3, one who is on PSU Mens staff. None of them agree with you. You have a team shoot around in the away gym before the game, you have pre game, many kids have played in that gym multiple times. ITS NOT THE RIMS AND THE BACKDROP

Bison-as a coach, what kind of job do you think Rhoades is doing? Baldwin has been hurt so that has impacted us. Good to see we gave Sparty a run. Do you see us winning some games here when Baldwin is healthy?

 

[bison13]

Bison-as a coach, what kind of job do you think Rhoades is doing? Baldwin has been hurt so that has impacted us. Good to see we gave Sparty a run. Do you see us winning some games here when Baldwin is healthy?

I do, just like I thought Shrew did a good job. I think Rhoades is in it for the long haul and is getting more talented kids to come. He plays a style kids like but the BIG is a meat grinder and we dont really have a shooter on the team except Hicks so coming back from deficits takes more possessions when you only get 2's. This team is a top 40 ish team (47 in Kenpom, 12th in league) who is 294th in 'luck' so we are due for an upset or two. They can beat anyone but with the lack of shooters they can also lose coin flip to slight advantage games that they should win.

Put Andrew Funk on this team and they may be top 15, we are one shooter from being that good.

 

[ryoder1]

I do, just like I thought Shrew did a good job. I think Rhoades is in it for the long haul and is getting more talented kids to come. He plays a style kids like but the BIG is a meat grinder and we dont really have a shooter on the team except Hicks so coming back from deficits takes more possessions when you only get 2's. This team is a top 40 ish team (47 in Kenpom, 12th in league) who is 294th in 'luck' so we are due for an upset or two. They can beat anyone but with the lack of shooters they can also lose coin flip to slight advantage games that they should win.

Put Andrew Funk on this team and they may be top 15, we are one shooter from being that good.

That is helpful. Thank you. I also like Rhoades and think he could be here a long time. We need to be patient. Not having a 3pt guy is a killer. He seems to be doing well recruiting HS players.

Do you know when Baldwin may be fully healthy? What is the injury?

I agree that we have to win some coming up. Getting to 10 conference wins will be very tough but attainable. We needed to beat Indiana for sure. Oregon is good and we had them beat.

I still think there is a shot at 10 conference wins. Need to run the table at home which is doable then steal a couple on the road. Looking at Indiana and Minny as two opportunities to do that. Maybe even at UCLA or at USC. Would love to make the Dance and still have hopes that we can.

 

[bison13]

That is helpful. Thank you. I also like Rhoades and think he could be here a long time. We need to be patient. Not having a 3pt guy is a killer. He seems to be doing well recruiting HS players.

Do you know when Baldwin may be fully healthy? What is the injury?

I agree that we have to win some coming up. Getting to 10 conference wins will be very tough but attainable. We needed to beat Indiana for sure. Oregon is good and we had them beat.

I still think there is a shot at 10 conference wins. Need to run the table at home which is doable then steal a couple on the road. Looking at Indiana and Minny as two opportunities to do that. Maybe even at UCLA or at USC. Would love to make the Dance and still have hopes that we can.

Not completely sure about Ace. I never ask the guy I know on staff about that type of stuff, thats for them and the kids to know. But agree on the winning out at home, Rutgers has two absolute studs, but have not figured out how to play together off of them yet, must win Monday. The other home games are all winnable but not easy. The best chance for road wins are minnesota (who beat michigan last night) and USC but West coast games are tricky. Iowa is extremely efficient on O but bad on D, hopefully our pressure can give us an advantage there.

 

[bcspsu]

Not completely sure about Ace. I never ask the guy I know on staff about that type of stuff, thats for them and the kids to know. But agree on the winning out at home, Rutgers has two absolute studs, but have not figured out how to play together off of them yet, must win Monday. The other home games are all winnable but not easy. The best chance for road wins are minnesota (who beat michigan last night) and USC but West coast games are tricky. Iowa is extremely efficient on O but bad on D, hopefully our pressure can give us an advantage there.

Did you see USC dominate at Illinois last Saturday? Winning there probably isn't going to happen.

 

[bison13]

Did you see USC dominate at Illinois last Saturday? Winning there probably isn't going to happen.

DId you see that I put the "best chances" and then said that west coast games are tricky

 

[AWS1022]

Good lord you're dense, I just emailed all my basketball coach friends. HS, D3, one who is on PSU Mens staff. None of them agree with you. You have a team shoot around in the away gym before the game, you have pre game, many kids have played in that gym multiple times. ITS NOT THE RIMS AND THE BACKDROP

So a brief shoot around is the same as shooting on rims every practice and every home game? I’m not the dense one obviously. Did your genius coaching buddies explain why home court was still an advantage during COVID with no fans?

 

[bison13]

So a brief shoot around is the same as shooting on rims every practice and every home game? I’m not the dense one obviously. Did your genius coaching buddies explain why home court was still an advantage during COVID with no fans?

You’re almost as dumb as Lando, you don’t think sleeping in your own bed and having a regular routine, not having to deal with all the nonsense with masks and carrying versus shooting on a 10 foot rim that’s exactly the same as in the rim in their gym? And like I said, email the coaches on Penn State’s men’s staff because I asked one of them.

Having those home rims really helped Michigan State where they shot 6 to 23 from three-point range for 26% and Penn State shot 10 to 24 for 42%. Home rims really helped Rutgers where they shot 8 to 22 for 36% while Penn State shot nine of 23 for 39%. Our home runs really helped us when we played penn and we were four of 18 for 22% from three and they were 11 or 33 for 33%. I can go on and show you the entire year shooting percentages home versus away versus neutral, but I’ll stick to just a big 10 games because a lot of those cupcakes that we played at the beginning of the year in our percentage and make it look like we played good defense when they just aren’t that good.
In Big Ten home games we are shooting 34.6% from three while our opposition is shooting 33.8 while we are on the road, We’re actually shooting 4% better, 35.6% to 31.6%. I thought the home court was supposed to keep us from shooting well because we’re not used to the rims?

We are actually shooting 4% better from three-point range on the year compared to our oppositions in our away games. The main difference is in neutral site games, where you think that both teams would be at a disadvantage since neither one is used to the rims. But the real reason is that Clemson and Indiana shot really well in those games because we didn’t rotate well on defense.

 

[ryoder1]

Did you see USC dominate at Illinois last Saturday? Winning there probably isn't going to happen.

USC lost by 15 to Wisky at home today. They also lost to Indiana by double digits before beating Illinois. They are really inconsistent. It will be tough to beat them on the road but they are no juggernaut.