Not to mention the full parking lots from the Hockey Game at Pegula. As it is BB has to work around that too. Troll away Tom.
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Not the way we would've handled it.
Yes, since so many in the south are from the great white North, B1G is in every cable package along with the SEC. So I get to see the Lions about twice a year. Hope you are well A.
Cael didn't have an option. With Hockey at Pegula scheduled at 4, and the Big Ten Network NOT committing to a 8pm start....parking is a problem. Never mind a Basketball game at BJC.
I honestly couldn't care less about Tan Tom's Thoughts on anything outside of maybe a review of the best restaurants in Aruba. That said in all fairness we could probably have switched venues for these events and actually come out ahead on this one.
The BJC would have sold out for this dual bringing more $ in for The AD, while more wrestling fans, both PSU and OSU alike, would have had a chance to see it. Big Win IMO.
Basketball goes to Rec and possibly sells out an arena that is right sized for the current popularity of the program. The team also gets a game environment that is a 100 X better than what they typically get in a 2/3 empty BJC. Another win IMO.
As for The BTN? Who cares? Since you are already going to be in town how much extra work would It take for them to pull this off?
I don't believe that for a second. That is not the way Cael operates, which every PSU fan should know by now.
Note to anyone coming in from the east side of State College. Be aware of times for the Ice Hockey and Bball games or you may get stuck in major traffic jams like I did a few years back for a home dual vs OK State.
I just checked Ohio State's Men's BB, Women's BB, Men's Hockey and Women's Hockey schedules for the weekend PSU wrestled there last year. Wouldn't you know it, all but Women's Hockey were away that weekend, and they don't play in Value City Arena (they play at the OSU Ice Rink). More fake news from Tan Tom.
Actually that is true. Cael wanted the “on top of you” feel and loudness of rec hall. Sometimes in the BJC you can hear a pin drop. Much more hostile environment in rec hall.
I believe they can no longer play basketball in Rec Hall, or at the minimum would take significant amount of work to allow it to happen.
The joke here is too easy.
First Joke - they can't play basketball in Rec Hall? Why would anybody think they could? They can't anywhere else.
Second Joke - If they can't play basketball in Rec Hall anymore can we please take those crank up baskets out of there?
In regards to the first joke. Nice win last night for the Nits.
I think big-time sports has made it's way to Penn State wrestling (not a complaint). Lowest ticket you can get on Stubhub is $75. Bryce Jordan is not a great venue for a dual meet (it's pretty good for multi-mat events). I have a 3 hour round trip. Never know about the weather. Realistically a 6 hour evening. My other option is watching the match up close in high def, firing up the wood fired pizza oven and cracking my favorite beverage. College wrestling used to be the best deal in all of sports. It's not anymore (not a complaint, happy for the growth and specifically the success of our program). I just paid $650 for all session tickets to Nationals once Stubhub gets their absurd cut. But I love the event. I'm not lamenting missing this dual in person at all. And I could give a rats ass about tOSU fans, or the entire God forsaken state for that matter.
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Anyone who thinks PSU wouldn’t want OSU at the BJC just isn’t thinking clearly and isn’t considering all the facts.
Cael has to go to DMV and has to stand in line like everyone else because DMV makes the rules. Not how Tom would have handled it.
Speaking of Tan Tom, Buckeye fans will be relieved that this news article turns out NOT to be about him or any of his wrestlers.
Man found dead in gym tanning bed
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/man-found-dead-in-gym-tanning-bed#/
On that point, and given that a 3rd party vendor is jacking up prices, and given that we could use that $ to further strengthen the program, we need to figure out how to cut out the middle man.
In Beaver Stadium for an Outdoor Classic against The Pens Obviously.
hey now, as long as rec hall is still open when there aren't sports going on, those hoops should stay. i loved playing in that gym during my time at psu.
Stubhub has fees but doesn't "jack up prices" -- they facilitate the resale. Seller and buyer determine resale prices.
The economics answer is something nobody wants to hear: PSU underpriced the tickets at original sale.
Has there ever been any talk about building a new facility to replace Rec Hall for wrestling?
While I do not care for wrestling in the BJC (too impersonal) I think Rec Hall is too small and antiquated for the fanbase. I would love to see a new facility built for wrestling that holds around 10 - 11,000 and puts the fans tight up to the mat for that home field advantage.
Maybe this should be a new thread.
While I do not care for wrestling in the BJC (too impersonal) I think Rec Hall is too small and antiquated for the fanbase. I would love to see a new facility built for wrestling that holds around 10 - 11,000 and puts the fans tight up to the mat for that home field advantage.
Maybe this should be a new thread.
Blasphemy! That place, along with the Palestra in Philly (which was built around the same time by the same architect) are historic treasures.
Who gets the split between what the seller and buyer determine as a resale price then?
I don't understand this question. At all. There is no such split except for the transparent flat fee Stubhub charges for the transaction.
OSU tickets are not going for $500 because Stubhub is printing money off some poor fan's back.
When we hold BJC meets does the visiting team have an allotment? I assumed not, and we generally sell out on the NLC presale, I know Iowa this year never made it to general sale. And Iowa a few years ago didn't even make it to NLC release, though they do push group sales.
So even if the meet was moved to the BJC, most tOSU fans would not be able to purchase tickets, other than on the secondary market (Stubhub and others). Though I guess it is fair to say the secondary market has more tickets in it for a BJC event versus Rec Hall.
So even if the meet was moved to the BJC, most tOSU fans would not be able to purchase tickets, other than on the secondary market (Stubhub and others). Though I guess it is fair to say the secondary market has more tickets in it for a BJC event versus Rec Hall.
I certainly do not work for Stubhub, but I understand it is exactly as jefe descibes. I have sold some tickets, I picked my price, stubhub charges a fee which is listed in advance.
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The seller lists the tickets for free, at a cost they choose. If sold the buyer has 10% added to the cost. The seller gets the list cost less 15% sent to their bank account. The internet gave me those percentages, but they seem right from my experience.
A little bit about the ticket business:
It’s 9:58am Saturday morning and millions of fans are ready for the on-sale. In just two minutes, each will feverishly refresh their browser, nervously type in the re-captcha code, and hope to hit the jackpot: Tickets. It doesn’t matter if it’s an Adele concert, a Seahawks playoff game, or a festival, the story always ends the same. After ten minutes, hope evaporates as the tickets are sold out.
In desperation, fans flock to StubHub, Vivid Seats, and other marketplaces finding thousands of tickets already available, for a significantly inflated price, mere minutes after on-sale (and some even, gasp, before on-sale!). The blame game starts. My internet is too slow. There weren’t enough tickets put on sale. Those corrupt brokers with their bots took all the tickets!
Live events are more popular than ever as proven by attendance trends, price inflation, and a scorching hot live event tickets industry where Live Nation is thriving, StubHub has grown into a multi-billion dollar venture, and even companies the mainstream haven’t heard of yet, such as Ticketfly (sold for $450 million), Eventbrite (valued over $1 billion), and SeatGeek (raised over $100 million in financing) are fetching valuations in the hundred millions to billions. With this much money in the game, one would easily conclude the playing field cannot be level for the everyday fan hoping to buy tickets.
It’s not.
In this two part series, we’ll explore what really happens behind the scenes. Who ends up with the tickets? How do they end up on the secondary market so quickly? Why do the content providers allow it? And why can’t you get tickets at an affordable price for highly sought after events?
There are 7 common ways ticket brokers get tickets*:
Who are the players?
Tickets to live events are notoriously underpriced when they go on-sale and it’s for a reason: live events are a business and businesses need to eliminate risk where they can.
There is much more to a concert, festival, or game than the fan sees or even considers. The very basics*
Who Gets The Tickets:
Once the event is a reality, the negotiations begin as to who has access to what tickets long before on-sale. Tickets are silo’d based on contractual obligations. Where they most commonly go:
It’s 9:58am Saturday morning and millions of fans are ready for the on-sale. In just two minutes, each will feverishly refresh their browser, nervously type in the re-captcha code, and hope to hit the jackpot: Tickets. It doesn’t matter if it’s an Adele concert, a Seahawks playoff game, or a festival, the story always ends the same. After ten minutes, hope evaporates as the tickets are sold out.
In desperation, fans flock to StubHub, Vivid Seats, and other marketplaces finding thousands of tickets already available, for a significantly inflated price, mere minutes after on-sale (and some even, gasp, before on-sale!). The blame game starts. My internet is too slow. There weren’t enough tickets put on sale. Those corrupt brokers with their bots took all the tickets!
Live events are more popular than ever as proven by attendance trends, price inflation, and a scorching hot live event tickets industry where Live Nation is thriving, StubHub has grown into a multi-billion dollar venture, and even companies the mainstream haven’t heard of yet, such as Ticketfly (sold for $450 million), Eventbrite (valued over $1 billion), and SeatGeek (raised over $100 million in financing) are fetching valuations in the hundred millions to billions. With this much money in the game, one would easily conclude the playing field cannot be level for the everyday fan hoping to buy tickets.
It’s not.
In this two part series, we’ll explore what really happens behind the scenes. Who ends up with the tickets? How do they end up on the secondary market so quickly? Why do the content providers allow it? And why can’t you get tickets at an affordable price for highly sought after events?
There are 7 common ways ticket brokers get tickets*:
- Spinning/Bots
- The Insiders: Companies, Sponsors, Agents, Promoters, Players, Coaches
- Deals with team executives
- “Sponsorships”
- Buy and Hold
- Fan Clubs
- Card Deals
Who are the players?
Tickets to live events are notoriously underpriced when they go on-sale and it’s for a reason: live events are a business and businesses need to eliminate risk where they can.
There is much more to a concert, festival, or game than the fan sees or even considers. The very basics*
- Securing a venue costs money, whether building, renting or managing. Usually this is done through multiple forms of finance which require cashflows and predictable revenue to pay for expenses and planning
- Live events make money through X major channels: Sponsorship, Premium Seating, Parking, Concessions, Merchandise, and Tickets. Yes the tickets are the most important to the fans and, sometimes, to the performers, they are only a fraction of the actual event
- Locking up predictable revenue early helps the content provider eliminate risk. Sell all the tickets and lock up the revenue in advance. To do this, tickets are priced below market to sell quickly.
Who Gets The Tickets:
Once the event is a reality, the negotiations begin as to who has access to what tickets long before on-sale. Tickets are silo’d based on contractual obligations. Where they most commonly go:
- Contracted pre-sale: Many sponsors and seat license holders, as part of buying a product and paying for it upfront, get access to tickets before the general public. Some are sponsors of the venue or team while others are sponsors of the event, league, or tour.
- Sponsorship deals: Major sponsors get tickets in advance as part of their agreements. Brands sponsor tours and get ticket allotments. Common sponsors include the major payment providers, such as American Express and MasterCard, who negotiate a block of tickets for their cardholders as part of their sponsorship deals, and brands looking to connect to the fan base of an act or team, like Salesforce with U2 and Xfinity with Taylor Swift.
- Fan Clubs: The performer will usually negotiate a block of tickets for their die-hard fans and distribute them through Fan Clubs
- The Content: Tickets are always held back for the players, coaches, performers, managers, promoters, and insiders. Usually, they are some of the best tickets.
- Content Providers: Teams, Venue Operators, Promoters
- The Content: Artists, Players, Agents, Managers and their family members
- Brokers: When demand overpowers supply, prices rise and capitalists* surface looking to benefit from the delta. It’s the simplest business equation there is: find underpriced assets and sell them for a large profit. From this simple premise dawned a $10+ billion dollar industry employing tens of thousands which gives the common fan very little chance of getting great tickets Say what you want about ticket brokers, but we’ve met with billionaires, millionaires, tech entrepreneurs, and titans of all business in our 10+ years with StubHub and TicketManager, and some of the most savvy and intelligent people we’ve met are ticket brokers. They may not enjoy a great reputation, but they are not to be underestimated.
Wow, I did not realize the fees had gotten that high. Got burned some years back on a sale on ebay so I have stayed away from those sites since then, but know basically how they work.
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