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Trace and the Ravens

Obliviax

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this is a really great place for Trace.

Baltimore now has three QB's on their team: Lamar Jackson, RG3 and Trace. Looks to me like the Ravens are going to really embrace the RPO. Jackson and RG3 haven't made anyone forget Johnny Unitas' passing skills. Looks to me like the Ravens plan to exploit defenses designed to stop the pass by moving to a heavy running game. And that would be an RPO.

The problem with a heavy RPOn is that the NFL plays 16 tough games. 19/20 if you go to the super bowl. In college, you play less than half of that. Point being, it is easier to protect your QB with the hopes of going through an entire season. We've seen teams more toward the RPO but the QB doesn't run as much. Perhaps the best RPO QB has been the Seahawks' Wilson and his best rushing year was 2014 when he ran for 849 yards. Second best was 300 yards less or 586 yards. In seven years, he is averaging 521 yards.

What is the point? Trace will be the best passer on the team IMHO. He may be brought in during games where the passing game is more important than the run. Secondly, as teams adjust to stopping the Lamar Jackson run, Trace may be the perfect relief pitcher...a guy who can throw, but still run the RPO to perfection. Finally, in a heavy running system over 19 hard games, very likely Jackson will miss some games. RG3 has been injury prone since he got into the league. Trace will get a shot and he'll have to make that offense his own. But it will be an offense ideal for him, unlike the pocket passing game from most NFL teams.
 
Trace will start at some point this season. HE will be in packages with two QB on the field as well
Good point. I can certainly see Trace at QB with Jackson or RG3 moving to wide out like the Saints did last season.
 
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Agreed that the Ravens will utilize him. They didn't draft him to have him sit. He will be used similar to how the Saints use Hill, and if he can be effective doing that he can make a very good career for himself.

And there is always the chance Jackson will flame out, and if RG3 can't prove to be reliable it is certainly a situation that McSorely could see himself as a starter sooner rather than later.
 
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The speed of the game progresses as you go up a level in football. Your college game is faster than high school, and your pro game highly accelerates up from college. The problems I see running an RPO in the pros is the game is a lot faster and defenders are quicker to react. Barkley had some good moments in his rookie season with the Giants, but not as many as he had here because the pro game is a lot faster. The other problem as I see it is the length of the pro season and the weekly pounding the QB takes. It will be interesting to see if the Ravens can solve these problems and make an RPO system work. Many have tried but none have succeed. Trace has a very long tunnel to get through, but I hope he does well.
 
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this is a really great place for Trace.

Baltimore now has three QB's on their team: Lamar Jackson, RG3 and Trace. Looks to me like the Ravens are going to really embrace the RPO. Jackson and RG3 haven't made anyone forget Johnny Unitas' passing skills. Looks to me like the Ravens plan to exploit defenses designed to stop the pass by moving to a heavy running game. And that would be an RPO.

The problem with a heavy RPOn is that the NFL plays 16 tough games. 19/20 if you go to the super bowl. In college, you play less than half of that. Point being, it is easier to protect your QB with the hopes of going through an entire season. We've seen teams more toward the RPO but the QB doesn't run as much. Perhaps the best RPO QB has been the Seahawks' Wilson and his best rushing year was 2014 when he ran for 849 yards. Second best was 300 yards less or 586 yards. In seven years, he is averaging 521 yards.

What is the point? Trace will be the best passer on the team IMHO. He may be brought in during games where the passing game is more important than the run. Secondly, as teams adjust to stopping the Lamar Jackson run, Trace may be the perfect relief pitcher...a guy who can throw, but still run the RPO to perfection. Finally, in a heavy running system over 19 hard games, very likely Jackson will miss some games. RG3 has been injury prone since he got into the league. Trace will get a shot and he'll have to make that offense his own. But it will be an offense ideal for him, unlike the pocket passing game from most NFL teams.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Jackson and how he develops. His accuracy is in the toilet. His running ability is superb but he's on the "thin" side and he's good for at least 1 fumble a game.
IMO he had a perfect storm last year coming in and playing for what had been a very ineffective passing game from Flacco for the last 2+ years, plus some really questionable defenses. When the Chargers came through to face him for the second time they shut him completely down.
I thought their pick of Miles Boykin was a good. They need help at WR and RB.
 
I am happy Trace got drafted, seemed like a really good kid that deserved it. Teams are much, much more reluctant to cut or put a player on the practice squad that is drafted vs UDFA, so getting drafted is not only a nice bump in money but barring something strange should mean Trace will make the team. And from there, who knows.
 
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I am happy Trace got drafted, seemed like a really good kid that deserved it. Teams are much, much more reluctant to cut or put a player on the practice squad that is drafted vs UDFA, so getting drafted is not only a nice bump in money but barring something strange should mean Trace will make the team. And from there, who knows.
Totally agree. Trace will get a shot, and that is all he is asking for.
 
Trace is sitting behind two Heisman Trophy winners. But he could still be the best QB on the team.
Nice. Very nice.

We all know the legacy of Heisman Trophy winners in the NFL. I think Trace has a good shot to be the starter in Baltimore. They may burn the city down to the ground if it happens, but it could happen.

(They'll burn Baltimore down to the ground anyway. :eek: )
 
We all know the legacy of Heisman Trophy winners in the NFL. I think Trace has a good shot to be the starter in Baltimore. They may burn the city down to the ground if it happens, but it could happen.

(They'll burn Baltimore down to the ground anyway. :eek: )
Also...Trace was considered one of the front runners to win the heisman last season. But a lot of drops, an injured knee, and losses to UM, Sparty and tOSU ended that dream.
 
Also...Trace was considered one of the front runners to win the heisman last season. But a lot of drops, an injured knee, and losses to UM, Sparty and tOSU ended that dream.

Maybe that bodes well for his NFL career. :D
 
Maybe that bodes well for his NFL career. :D
ha!

One thing of note was Bryce Love: Kid was a Heisman contender his Jr. year with 2118 rushing yards but ended up with only 739 his senior year and tearing an ACL in his last game against Cal. He ends up getting drafted 112, round 4, bu the 'skins. At one point, the talking heads were asking who was better: Love or Barkley.
 
ha!

One thing of note was Bryce Love: Kid was a Heisman contender his Jr. year with 2118 rushing yards but ended up with only 739 his senior year and tearing an ACL in his last game against Cal. He ends up getting drafted 112, round 4, bu the 'skins. At one point, the talking heads were asking who was better: Love or Barkley.

Another example for the all kids should return for another year crowd.
 
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The speed of the game progresses as you go up a level in football. Your college game is faster than high school, and your pro game highly accelerates up from college. The problems I see running an RPO in the pros is the game is a lot faster and defenders are quicker to react. Barkley had some good moments in his rookie season with the Giants, but not as many as he had here because the pro game is a lot faster. The other problem as I see it is the length of the pro season and the weekly pounding the QB takes. It will be interesting to see if the Ravens can solve these problems and make an RPO system work. Many have tried but none have succeed. Trace has a very long tunnel to get through, but I hope he does well.
Yes, it's an uphill battle. NFL defenses will wear running QBs out, so it's doubtful RPO will work there. Closest analog was RG3 and we see how that worked out. McSorley does not have exceptional size (or speed) compared to the best QB rushers in history.
McSorley: 6'1", 205 pounds, 4.57 40yd dash
Vick: 6'0", 210, 4.25-4.33 - Unparalleled speed and agility
Cunningham: 6'5", 216, 4.29-4.40 - Big, fast
Newton: 6'5", 245, 4.59 - Big, showing signs of wear
RG3: 6'3", 223, 4.41 - Injured, never the same
Wilson: 5'11", 203, 4.55 - Scrambler
 
Yes, it's an uphill battle. NFL defenses will wear running QBs out, so it's doubtful RPO will work there. Closest analog was RG3 and we see how that worked out. McSorley does not have exceptional size (or speed) compared to the best QB rushers in history.
McSorley: 6'1", 205 pounds, 4.57 40yd dash
Vick: 6'0", 210, 4.25-4.33 - Unparalleled speed and agility
Cunningham: 6'5", 216, 4.29-4.40 - Big, fast
Newton: 6'5", 245, 4.59 - Big, showing signs of wear
RG3: 6'3", 223, 4.41 - Injured, never the same
Wilson: 5'11", 203, 4.55 - Scrambler
I totally agree with you. However, if you stock your team with three very good to great RPO guys, it may be a different story. The Ravens will play against defenses designed to stop a different model but can plug and play all three QB's as the need arises. So while I totally agree with you in terms of trying to play a single QB for 16 games, platooning multiple QB's hasn't been tried. It will be interesting to watch. the game adjusts!
 
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I totally agree with you. However, if you stock your team with three very good to great RPO guys, it may be a different story. The Ravens will play against defenses designed to stop a different model but can plug and play all three QB's as the need arises. So while I totally agree with you in terms of trying to play a single QB for 16 seasons, platooning multiple QB's hasn't been tried. It will be interesting to watch. the game adjusts!


Obli.....get yourself some coffee or do 2-3 sit-ups or push-ups, wake up my friend.....playing a single QB for 16 SEASONS?
 
Obli.....get yourself some coffee or do 2-3 sit-ups or push-ups, wake up my friend.....playing a single QB for 16 SEASONS?
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Clearly, I am in the autumn or winter of my "seasons".
 
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