Transfer this week

[McScoreley]

My guess on the situation, I don't believe Evan graduated from Wisconsin. In that situation it's possible he has like 100-110 credits and found out only 80 of them are good. It makes sense, the more credits he wants to transfer over, the high % that some might not be "compatible" In that situation, Evan is either staying at school for an extra semester (which costs a ton of money) or he's taking a course load his last year that makes training effectively impossible (think Real Woods)

The tea leaves are obvious, the kid wanted to be a Nittany Lion so much that he definitely gave a verbal commitment of some kind to Cael. That's not to downplay Cal Poly at all but it's pretty clear the kid wanted to see what his potential was with Casey cornering him and drilling with Cenzo, Nolf, Carter daily. Kid is obviously not an academic issue, he cleared admissions to Cal Poly, a more selective school than Penn State. It blows my mind PSU couldn't make this work somehow and tbh, the bigger worry for me is if Cael takes this as a sign he doesn't have support academically from the school.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I thought most schools will not give a degree with less than 60 credit hours earned at that school. If Wick was hovering around 80 presumably that mean he would graduate with 140 at either school and had 20 to burn before dipping below 120.

What this really means is some admissions admin (clerk) looking at some paperwork probably denied some upper division transfer credits so Evan would need to retake a few classes, while some other admissions admin (clerk) at Call Poly looking at the same transfer credits made a different decision. Little people with a little power, is almost always a problem.

I assume that Cael was already at a disadvantage as to how much of the 9.9 he could allocate. Cal Poly might have been able to give him a full ride. PSU out of state - We are talking real money here.

 

[El-Jefe]

That’s the part I find really strange. Pat is clearly hooked in with people who regularly feed him information. My question: Why? Do these sources get a strange sense of gratification by sharing scoops or something? What purpose does it serve? It’s pretty bizarre if you think about it, especially when you consider the sources appear to be directly linked to the community (wrestlers, coaches or parents?).

"Sports Journalists" (not saying Mineo is one) often willingly let themselves be used as PR outlets for coaches, team mgmt, ownership, and players and agents.

"Unidentified team sources" almost always means the GM.

Billy Beane was notorious for using journalists (especially ESPN) this way.

 

[nerfstate]

"Sports Journalists" (not saying Mineo is one) often willingly let themselves be used as PR outlets for coaches, team mgmt, ownership, and players and agents.

"Unidentified team sources" almost always means the GM.

Billy Beane was notorious for using journalists (especially ESPN) this way.

True, but then why tell Flo you're going to announce your decision live on their show the next day? My guess is Mineo's sources on this are more on the program side than the family, but I could definitely be wrong.

 

[Sportfan2017]

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What a class act....without the cl. Obviously seeks/needs attention and approval. But it also seems he likes to essentially hurt ....take away from others (10:54 pm). He is the kind of douche that gets a kick out of telling how a movie or book ends just to take the enjoyment from someone else. EXAMPLE:

Pat Mineo was seen today.....Christmas Eve......at the mall.... dressed as Santa.....yelling to all the little kids in the Santa line that Santa isn't real and there is no toyshop at the North Pole as he tore off his hat, beard and wig. He laughed gleefully as the children cried and screamed. After half and hour of enjoying his "joke" he returned home to continue his other hobby........ripping the wings off fairies.

 

[WildTurk]

Joe Lee survives another day! Whew

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

My guess on the situation, I don't believe Evan graduated from Wisconsin. In that situation it's possible he has like 100-110 credits and found out only 80 of them are good. It makes sense, the more credits he wants to transfer over, the high % that some might not be "compatible" In that situation, Evan is either staying at school for an extra semester (which costs a ton of money) or he's taking a course load his last year that makes training effectively impossible (think Real Woods)

The tea leaves are obvious, the kid wanted to be a Nittany Lion so much that he definitely gave a verbal commitment of some kind to Cael. That's not to downplay Cal Poly at all but it's pretty clear the kid wanted to see what his potential was with Casey cornering him and drilling with Cenzo, Nolf, Carter daily. Kid is obviously not an academic issue, he cleared admissions to Cal Poly, a more selective school than Penn State. It blows my mind PSU couldn't make this work somehow and tbh, the bigger worry for me is if Cael takes this as a sign he doesn't have support academically from the school.

Let's hope Cael can move passed this, if this is indeed the case.

 

[El-Jefe]

It blows my mind PSU couldn't make this work somehow and tbh, the bigger worry for me is if Cael takes this as a sign he doesn't have support academically from the school.

IMO this is a massive overreaction.

Cael does not have a bad relationship with Admissions.

Transfer credits are approved at the dept level. There is simply no way for the coaches to have that type of relationship with every dept at PSU.

Also, this is apparently the first transfer that got held up by the school, at least beyond the athlete's patience.

Cael still got Max Dean in, right?

 

[McScoreley]

IMO this is a massive overreaction.

Cael does not have a bad relationship with Admissions.

Transfer credits are approved at the dept level. There is simply no way for the coaches to have that type of relationship with every dept at PSU.

Also, this is apparently the first transfer that got held up by the school, at least beyond the athlete's patience.

Cael still got Max Dean in, right?

It is a massive overreaction for sure. It just blows my mind we couldn't make it work with a wrestler of his caliber who clearly is not an academic issue.

 

[El-Jefe]

True, but then why tell Flo you're going to announce your decision live on their show the next day? My guess is Mineo's sources on this are more on the program side than the family, but I could definitely be wrong.

Media manipulation can come from any direction and doesn't always make sense right away.

 

[McScoreley]

Seems like our big transfer options have all fallen through this offseason. Reading the tea leaves, Evan really wanted to be a Lion to the point he verbally committed to Cael, contingent on it working academically (transfer credits wise) Just bad luck. I have no expectations for Griffith either at this point. I think the fact Cael was all in on Wick showed he didn't have much hopes for it either.

That being said, we have a fantastic roster and I'm very excited for next season. Kerkvliet being healthy and seeing how one of Bartlett/Van Ness looks is very exciting. Also, don't think our hammers are done evolving just because they've won titles ....

It looks like we have 3 holes right now (which will make beating Iowa very difficult) but 165 is very fixable if Joe comes out with a fire and wrestle the way we know he can.

 

[El-Jefe]

It is a massive overreaction for sure. It just blows my mind we couldn't make it work with a wrestler of his caliber who clearly is not an academic issue.

Quick story, and I know this is only somewhat comparable:

My co-worker Rob lived in DC and was working toward his MS Mech Engr (from an accredited school) when we hired him in Philly. Drexel refused his grad school transfer credits -- Rob had to repeat 2 yrs of night classes while raising a family.

Rob was a Drexel undergrad. Drexel didn’t care.

Our employer is a massive donor to Drexel Engineering and hires from Drexel by the truck-load. Our executive in charge of Drexel relations went to bat for Rob. Drexel didn’t care.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

This whole day has been such a monumental...

 

[bwfight]

Joe Lee survives another day! Whew

Whether Evan Wick or someone else transfers in doesn’t really affect Joe Lee’s status. He will still be competing for the starting job, and I believe he will earn the spot and have a great year.

 

[McScoreley]

Easy to say when not paying the bill.

If what's said above is true, he would have to repeat a significant number of courses at PSU. Which means he would need to remain at PSU beyond his wrestling eligibility, at non-resident prices.

Cal Poly estimated total cost per year = $27.2k. PSU = $51.4k per year.

If he needs an extra year at PSU, that's $75.6k more than he'd pay at Cal Poly.

Yeah but doesn't Cael just write them a check for "Consulting Fees" once school is done? That's at least the rumors.

 

[MikeDerukey]

Can someone at least point to a source that says Evan wanted to come to PSU and his credits wouldn't transfer? Himself? His mother on Twitter? Otherwise we are literally making up this narrative.

 

[McScoreley]

Can someone at least point to a source that says Evan wanted to come to PSU and his credits wouldn't transfer? Himself? His mother on Twitter? Otherwise we are literally making up this narrative.

His mom tweeted there were credit transfer issues on twitter. It's weird they were related to PSU and not Cal Poly but that seems like the situation.



100% agree it's wrong to speculate otherwise (I would never do that if his mom didn't tweet it herself) since it implies the kid has academic issues when that is clearly not the case, he is going to Cal Poly, which is much more selective than PSU.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Can someone at least point to a source that says Evan wanted to come to PSU and his credits wouldn't transfer? Himself? His mother on Twitter? Otherwise we are literally making up this narrative.

Ditto that. The source is posters on this board. Doesn't mean it isn't true but no need to overreactive until/if that is confirmed. Wick is from CA and most of the chatter was he wanted to go home.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Good grief. A lot of hand wringing and angst around here…..over nothing. We have a lineup that can win the NC, without Dean and Wick. Dean is here now and it only helps 197 no matter who wins the spot. From my view, though, it’s much more gratifying to win with the organic talent.

 

[MikeDerukey]

Ditto that. The source is posters on this board. Doesn't mean it isn't true but no need to overreactive until/if that is confirmed. Wick is from CA and most of the chatter was he wanted to go home.

I feel like we get into this circle of speculation that we just keep repeating in an echo chamber until it becomes our own little reality confirmed by nobody but ourselves. If that's the case and it's confirmed then so be it. We can discuss how we feel about that then. But until then all we know is that there was one school he was looking at where credit transfer was an issue. This came from his mom on Twitter. We don't know if it was PSU, Cal Poly or someone else. We also don't know what the result of that was, whether it was resolved and his transfer destination worked out or if it was the issue that caused him to choose Cal Poly.

 

[MikeDerukey]

His mom tweeted there were credit transfer issues on twitter. It's weird they were related to PSU and not Cal Poly but that seems like the situation.

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100% agree it's wrong to speculate otherwise (I would never do that if his mom didn't tweet it herself) since it implies the kid has academic issues when that is clearly not the case, he is going to Cal Poly, which is much more selective than PSU.

We don't know which school it was an issue for and we don't know what the end result was. It's possible the issue was with Cal Poly and they resolved it and so he is heading there. We just don't know but this thread is filled with people upset as if it's a fact that he chose PSU and couldn't come here because of a transfer issue. We simply don't know that to be true so we should stop acting like it's a fact.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Good grief. A lot of hand wringing and angst around here…..over nothing. We have a lineup that can win the NC, without Dean and Wick. Dean is here now and it only helps 197 no matter who wins the spot. From my view, though, it’s much more gratifying to win with the organic talent.

I agree, let's not make the team better when the opportunities arise. Cael should've turned down Kerk transferring in because we already had Nevills. Go organic!

 

[PSU_Pride_93]

Quick story, and I know this is only somewhat comparable:

My co-worker Rob lived in DC and was working toward his MS Mech Engr (from an accredited school) when we hired him in Philly. Drexel refused his grad school transfer credits -- Rob had to repeat 2 yrs of night classes while raising a family.

Rob was a Drexel undergrad. Drexel didn’t care.

Our employer is a massive donor to Drexel Engineering and hires from Drexel by the truck-load. Our executive in charge of Drexel relations went to bat for Rob. Drexel didn’t care.

If you are looking for a mech eng, let me know, I’ll be sure to list that i heard about the position thru an online forum and to give my hiring bonus to El-Jefe

 

[PSU Mike]

I agree, let's not make the team better when the opportunities arise. Cael should've turned down Kerk transferring in because we already had Nevills. Go organic!

There’s what to do to increase your chance to win, then there’s the distinct thing Cowbell brought up, which is it’s more gratifying when it’s (at least to a higher degree) organic.

 

[Dogwelder]

I agree, ... Go organic!

Trust a Californian to go organic! Go tofu! Vegans4ever!

 

[dunkej01]

Joe Lee survives another day! Whew

#badpenny

 

[GogglesPaizano]

#badpenny

I think I gave WildTurk my first ever like with that post.

 

[82bordeaux]

I agree, let's not make the team better when the opportunities arise. Cael should've turned down Kerk transferring in because we already had Nevills. Go organic!

After a year they become certified organic. Don't you know that?

 

[nitlion6]

It doesn't matter what singlet he is wearing, he can still beat Marinelli.

Only if he is seeded 8th.

 

[Petch]

Joe Lee survives another day! Whew

All the sweeter when he takes down Marinelli! Whew

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Joe Lee survives another day! Whew

Having Wick in the room for a year would have been great for Joe Lee's development just like having Max Dean on the team will be a long term positive for Michael Beard no matter who ends up starting.

 

[82bordeaux]

Having Wick in the room for a year would have been great for Joe Lee's development just like having Max Dean on the team will be a long term positive for Michael Beard no matter who ends up starting.

 

[Gray52]

My source (me making it up, same as Mineo) says Cal Poly was his choice all along but was having credit transfer issues. PSU was the backup choice. Issue was resolved and he moved home to be with his bro. PSU having the transfer issue doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense. They’re welcoming anyone with a checking account these days.

 

[js8793]

Still plenty of options not only in the portal but some that are deciding whether to spend another year at school after this free year. Don’t count out a transfer yet

Who are some of the names you have in mind? 157? Griffith?

 

[johnstownsteel]

Who are some of the names you have in mind? 157? Griffith?

Information only those who provide to the slush fund have access to.

How much should I pencil you in for?

 

[WildTurk]

Information only those who provide to the slush fund have access to.

How much should I pencil you in for?

You would use a pencil

 

[Cali_Nittany]

You would use a pencil

Lol, JT is old school. The Sharpie is coming for you.
#eatsharpieturk

 

[WildTurk]

I use a sharpie everyday. You don't want that battle with me!

 

[johnstownsteel]

Lol, JT is old school. The Sharpie is coming for you.
#eatsharpieturk

I am old AND certainly old school. I can even remember when Hawk fans took beatings like a man anytime their favorite team lost instead of crying "cheating" like a p***y would.

But here, I think Turk was trying to say that we use pencils when it comes to the slush fund so the numbers arent so permanent and our nefarious ways wont be so easily "outed". In other words, Turk just wanted to let us all know he's new breed and prefers to carry himself as if he were a woman...

 

[El-Jefe]

I am old AND certainly old school. I can even remember when Hawk fans took beatings like a man anytime their favorite team lost instead of crying "cheating" like a p***y would.

But here, I think Turk was trying to say that we use pencils when it comes to the slush fund so the numbers arent so permanent and our nefarious ways wont be so easily "outed". In other words, Turk just wanted to let us all know he's new breed and prefers to carry himself as if he were a woman...

Maybe he meant you use a pencil to write down your HR login info, since it changes so often.