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True-Wrestling videos from Lehigh dual

Tom McAndrew

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if I recall correctly, due to BTN broadcast right limitations, he can only show highlights of matches, and not full matches. Also, the guy at True-Wrestling is still uploading the videos, so the 197 and 285 matches are not yet posted.

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125: Suriano vs. Darian Cruz

133: Cortez vs. Scott Parker

141: Gulibon vs. Randy Cruz

149: Zain vs. Laike Gardner

157: Nolf vs. Kent Lane

165: Joseph vs. Drew Longo

174: Rasheed vs. Ryan Preisch

184: Nickal vs. Kyle Gentile

197: Cutch vs. Ben Haas

285: Nevills vs. Doug Vollaro




 
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if I recall correctly, due to BTN broadcast right limitations, he can only show highlights of matches, and not full matches. Also, the guy at True-Wrestling is still uploading the videos, so the 197 and 285 matches are not yet posted.

enjoy

125: Suriano vs. Darian Cruz

133: Cortez vs. Scott Parker

141: Gulibon vs. Randy Cruz

149: Zain vs. Laike Gardner

157: Nolf vs. Kent Lane

165: Joseph vs. Drew Longo

174: Rasheed vs. Ryan Preisch

184: Nickal vs. Kyle Gentile

197: Cutch vs. Ben Haas

285: Nevills vs. Doug Vollaro



If it's his own video camera, why does the B1G have any say?
 
I don't believe there's anything wrong with using his own video equipment. It's posting it for public consumption that's the problem.
 
if I recall correctly, due to BTN broadcast right limitations, he can only show highlights of matches, and not full matches.

If it's his own video camera, why does the B1G have any say?

I don't believe there's anything wrong with using his own video equipment. It's posting it for public consumption that's the problem.

Roar basically has it.

To expand a bit on his answer, as best as I understand it, the BTN owns the broadcast rights to all B1G home duals. As such, Flo can attend B1G home duals and film the action, but they can't show complete matches. True-Wrestling is in the same boat. Like Flo, they are allowed to sit mat side, and can film all the action. And like Flo, they can't show entire matches. (At last year's PSU - tOSU dual, which took place at the BJC, both Flo and True-Wrestling were there, and they both posted highlight videos from each match on their respective sites, but neither operation posted entire matches.)

A fan can sit in the stands and take videos of entire matches. Nobody would care. However, if they started posting those videos on YouTube or other venues, and the BTN found out, they would contact YouTube or whatever the site was, and make them remove the videos.

Also, the two teams frequently tape the matches as well, but they only use the videos internally, for training purposes.
 
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Looking at the problem academically, it boils down to whether a live sporting event can be copyrighted, and US courts have ruled that they can't be (unlike dance and music performances). The BTN broadcast of the event is itself copyrightable of course, and any re-broadcast or misuse would constitute infringement. But the True-Wrestling Guy's [TWG's] footage was his own, and his work thus enjoys its own copyright protection; his broadcast can't infringe on BTN's. So if BTN came after him with a copyright infringement claim (and I don't know about BTN's approach, but plenty other sports leagues/teams do misuse copyright law in this way) he would have a solid defense.

That said, I'm fairly certain that on the back of the ticket into BJC is some fine print restricting videotaping and subsequent broadcast, which is perfectly legitimate and common enough that most everyone uses the same boilerplate language. Whatever remedy BTN might seek against the TWG would need to involve BJC/PSU somehow and rely on the argument that TWG breached the terms of his ticket purchase. And there's also [I'm guessing with some degree of certainty] a contract between BTN and BJC/PSU guaranteeing BTN exclusive broadcast rights, which BTN could say that BJC/PSU violated by failing to enforce its own agreement with its ticket buyers.

But the law is far fuzzier with respect to remedies and violations of ticket buying public--usually the venue will just kick you out if they see you filming. Nearly happened to me recently in fact, seated in front row of a Susan Tedeschi and Derek Trucks show at the Beacon in NY; usher warned me repeatedly that I couldn't shoot using a "professional camera"... luckily that usher was replaced by a less strict usher and I wound up getting great shots. And there's nothing the band or the venue can really do about it now.

Bigger picture, though, is that IP law is prohibitively expensive to litigate, and leveraged rights-holders routinely, successfully bluff with little fear or blowback. But if BTN did go after TWG, TWG would prevail in a litigation where money was no object.
 
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