Tweet from Feldman on Moorhead/Gattis call against Iowa
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IIRC JJ was the one that suggested the tweak in the route/concept on that play. The rest went along with it.
That's what I recall as well. JJ told the coaches the DB was favoring the outside move all night and felt an outside fake would make the DB bite after which JJ would cut inside and be open. I'm sure most people were expecting something to Saquon.
One of the worst play calls/designs in the history of play calls...….. but it worked (football is funny that way).
Just a little "flashback" of that play:
Iowa's D was in a 4 man zone across the goal line.... sending everyone else on the pass rush (with a LB assigned in the event Barkley came out of the backfield... which he didn't)
PSU lined up all 4 receivers (Gesicki, JJ, Hamilton, and Tompkins) on the right half of the field (and they all remained in the right half of the field.... really squeezing down the gaps in the zones the Iowa 4-deep had to cover).
Picturing it from the offenses Right to Left:
DB1 (far right) was occupied w Gesicki, who flared out to the right Sideline (but never was really a threat, since he was along the SL well short of the goal line)
DB2 had JJ
DB3 AND DB4 were both brought right into the "line of sight" of JJ's pattern... DB3 by the guy (Tompkins?) dragging across the middle just in front of the Goal Line, and DB4 by the outside guy (Hamilton?) running a "short post" type route right into the right hand third of the end zone.
The end result? By design, that play brought all three DBs (2, 3, and 4) right into the firing line - and it took a perfectly timed, "through the eye of a needle" throw by McS to even give the play a chance.
With all of the matchup advantages PSU had over the Iowa D, that was a HORRENDOUS design for a red zone play.
But - obviously- it worked
Found a clip of it, that shows it a lot better than I can describe it:
Good points, just the thought of having 3 receivers in the same exact space seems mind boggling.
You write IDK (which means "I don't know") and "Who knows?" but act like you know what Iowa was thinking. You must tire from working both ends of a topic.
yeah, this wasn't a great play call. It worked, but it wasn't a great play call.
My favorite playcall from the JoMo era was the direct snap to Saquon on the opening drive of the Michigan game (2017). It cause Michigan to be confused in their responsibilities (e.g. "am I still responsible for RB, even though he took the snap??") and resulted in a huge long TD.
Uh.... no.
You said "most people". To which I responded, "IDK" (which kinda' goes without saying, unless someone can read "most people"s minds, I suppose).
What I said about the Iowa D, which is an entirely different issue from "most people", was obvious - obviously
Now.... when did I piss in your Froot Loops? Or is that just a natural state?
Write all the word salad you want if you're happy contradicting yourself. Have a great day.....
At the time, Johnson said he kept bugging Gattis to run that play since the defenders kept cheating outside.
Moorhead was as much stubborn as he was outstanding/adjuster.
He kept running the same stuff knowing it would eventually work. And it did. But it was frustrating until then
He kept running the same stuff knowing it would eventually work. And it did. But it was frustrating until then
I agree with the idea that Moorhead was great at adjustments in game and probably had a good game plan going in to each game based on film review. Most coaches at that level can call good plays but the ones that can adjust throughout the game (especially after the defense makes their adjustments) are special. Let's give Rahne a chance to see if he has that ability - let him get some experience and learn from his mistakes.
One of the worst play calls/designs in the history of play calls...….. but it worked (football is funny that way).
Just a little "flashback" of that play:
Iowa's D was in a 4 man zone across the goal line.... sending everyone else on the pass rush (with a LB assigned in the event Barkley came out of the backfield... which he didn't)
PSU lined up all 4 receivers (Gesicki, JJ, Hamilton, and Tompkins) on the right half of the field (and they all remained in the right half of the field.... really squeezing down the gaps in the zones the Iowa 4-deep had to cover).
Picturing it from the offenses Right to Left:
DB1 (far right) was occupied w Gesicki, who flared out to the right Sideline (but never was really a threat, since he was along the SL well short of the goal line)
DB2 had JJ
DB3 AND DB4 were both brought right into the "line of sight" of JJ's pattern... DB3 by the guy (Tompkins?) dragging across the middle just in front of the Goal Line, and DB4 by the outside guy (Hamilton?) running a "short post" type route right into the right hand third of the end zone.
The end result? By design, that play brought all three DBs (2, 3, and 4) right into the firing line - and it took a perfectly timed, "through the eye of a needle" throw by McS to even give the play a chance.
With all of the matchup advantages PSU had over the Iowa D, that was a HORRENDOUS design for a red zone play.
But - obviously
Found a clip of it, that shows it a lot better than I can describe it:
Actually the defensive was a man under zone with the DBs playing quarters. An odd choice on the goal line. The db that was over JJ was done as soon as he turned his hips vs keeping his hips parallel to the LOS. The route change was a good one as we had not showed it on film. We also made a mistake by not changing hammys route on the back side. He was also running a post and could have blown up the play. In the unchanged play his route is a good one as it gets behind the flow of the other receivers. With the adjusted route, it’s was potential disaster. I’m guessing the error of not changing his route was a fog of war error. Have made similar ones myself. The bottom line its a nice adjustment and a great throw and catch.
I agree, as soon as that DB flipped his hips he was toast. I think he was guessing an outside break, and if so, he was going with him. I think they played some sort of match of man to man, like if the outside guy goes in, and the inside guy goes out, we switch, and then stay with that guy. Some pattern read they came up with. That's why 27 ends up , short and almost all the way across the formation covering 3 on the shallow cross.
the 3 underneath LBers, who knows what they were doing, 1 blitzes, 1 spies/blitzes SB, and one starts to run with MG, and then ends up in no man's land.
I bet Iowa's D coaches puked Sunday am when they watched that film.
People deify JoMo since he's gone. I love his offensive system, it is now "The Penn State System", but he wasn't some sort of crazy, irreplaceable play caller. He can take a lot of blame for the 4th qtr of the OSU game in 2017. He loved the slow developing draw handoff that would get blown up time after time. PSU basically took that play out of their handbook last year and we had a much more effective running game even without Barkley.
The 2018 passing game was dogcrap. The wide receiver drops, Trace's injury, and Trace's inaccuracy at times didn't help any of that.
Franklin knew Gattis and Rahne for a long time. He chose Rahne over Gattis for what I assume is a good reason. No one would know their capabilities better than he did.
Give me a healthy, accurate QB and some wide receivers who didn't spray their hands with WD40 before the game. We'll be fine.
The 2018 passing game was dogcrap. The wide receiver drops, Trace's injury, and Trace's inaccuracy at times didn't help any of that.
Franklin knew Gattis and Rahne for a long time. He chose Rahne over Gattis for what I assume is a good reason. No one would know their capabilities better than he did.
Give me a healthy, accurate QB and some wide receivers who didn't spray their hands with WD40 before the game. We'll be fine.
from my point of view RR aint the problem. How we block, and some of our blocking assignments, imo are much bigger problems. To that end, I have no idea who is in charge of that, it could be CJF as HC, it could be RR as OC, it could be ML as OL coach. Doesnt matter, if we use the same techniques and schemes as we did the last few years, I think we will have similar results.
I was there and in the end zone where JJ caught the game winner. Iowa did not show a replay on the big screen. Had to text my buddy to see who caught the ball as it all happened so fast. I kept my yap shut walking back to town. A great moment.
Don't know anything about JoeMo but it sure seemed like the offense didn't play with confidence in big moments last year and the passing offense was a mess. The team didn't finish well, and that was on the offense -- looked nothing like the previous two years.
If this year isn't a lot better than 2018 .... well let's just say I'm hoping Ricky Rahne really has the light bulb go on this year. We know he works hard.
If this year isn't a lot better than 2018 .... well let's just say I'm hoping Ricky Rahne really has the light bulb go on this year. We know he works hard.
And PSU rang up 492 total yards against Ohio State in 2018 under Rahne.
Moorehead was fine, I loved Joe. But his MSU offense was shit last year. The entire talking point that Moorhead is a genius, Gattis is a genius, and Rahne is a moron is ridiculous. The Jimmies and the Joes are the biggest factor.
And I realize that play wasn't literally a draw play, just trying describe it simply. They want to put that uncovered end in conflict and run the play based on what he does. Too much I saw that end simply run to the mesh point and blow them both the f*ck up. That first play of the 2nd to last PSU drive from their own 10 or whatever, they ran that play for a 8 yard loss that basically sunk that game.
Trace injured his shoulder diving to the goal line in the OSU game. He, and the offense, were never the same the rest of the year. He followed up the OSU game, where he wore a cape, with maybe the worst game of his PSU career against MSU. The rest of the season wasn't much better.
One of the worst play calls/designs in the history of play calls...….. but it worked (football is funny that way).
Just a little "flashback" of that play:
Iowa's D was in a 4 man zone across the goal line.... sending everyone else on the pass rush (with a LB assigned in the event Barkley came out of the backfield... which he didn't)
PSU lined up all 4 receivers (Gesicki, JJ, Hamilton, and Tompkins) on the right half of the field (and they all remained in the right half of the field.... really squeezing down the gaps in the zones the Iowa 4-deep had to cover).
Picturing it from the offenses Right to Left:
DB1 (far right) was occupied w Gesicki, who flared out to the right Sideline (but never was really a threat, since he was along the SL well short of the goal line)
DB2 had JJ
DB3 AND DB4 were both brought right into the "line of sight" of JJ's pattern... DB3 by the guy (Tompkins?) dragging across the middle just in front of the Goal Line, and DB4 by the outside guy (Hamilton?) running a "short post" type route right into the right hand third of the end zone.
The end result? By design, that play brought all three DBs (2, 3, and 4) right into the firing line - and it took a perfectly timed, "through the eye of a needle" throw by McS to even give the play a chance.
With all of the matchup advantages PSU had over the Iowa D, that was a HORRENDOUS design for a red zone play.
But - obviously
Found a clip of it, that shows it a lot better than I can describe it:
Totally agree with you. Either really bad call, bad execution, or both. Who would design a play that did that with the D Backs
Moorehead had Barkley and Rahne didn’t....but it was Moorehead’s genius that was the difference.
All four receivers lined up on the right side of the field?One of the worst play calls/designs in the history of play calls...….. but it worked (football is funny that way).
Just a little "flashback" of that play:
Iowa's D was in a 4 man zone across the goal line.... sending everyone else on the pass rush (with a LB assigned in the event Barkley came out of the backfield... which he didn't)
PSU lined up all 4 receivers (Gesicki, JJ, Hamilton, and Tompkins) on the right half of the field (and they all remained in the right half of the field.... really squeezing down the gaps in the zones the Iowa 4-deep had to cover).
Picturing it from the offenses Right to Left:
DB1 (far right) was occupied w Gesicki, who flared out to the right Sideline (but never was really a threat, since he was along the SL well short of the goal line)
DB2 had JJ
DB3 AND DB4 were both brought right into the "line of sight" of JJ's pattern... DB3 by the guy (Tompkins?) dragging across the middle just in front of the Goal Line, and DB4 by the outside guy (Hamilton?) running a "short post" type route right into the right hand third of the end zone.
The end result? By design, that play brought all three DBs (2, 3, and 4) right into the firing line - and it took a perfectly timed, "through the eye of a needle" throw by McS to even give the play a chance.
With all of the matchup advantages PSU had over the Iowa D, that was a HORRENDOUS design for a red zone play.
But - obviously
Found a clip of it, that shows it a lot better than I can describe it:
I wondered about that one too. I think he means that all the receivers were from the mid field to the sidelines even though the were 2 x2 , that is they weren’t spread out. But I m sure Barry will let you know
I was in a bar in Chicago with some friends watching the game. Bar was loaded with Iowa fans. The ones around us happened to be of the used douchebag variety. Nearly got into a fight after quietly listening to their shite all evening. When we scored at the end I finally caved and shouted something obscene regarding maize and their anuses. Friends had to step in. Got out of there soon after...good times!
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That Iowa game should have never, ever been as close as it was. The final stats are so lopsided you would have thought this was a blowout for PSU:
Total Yards - PSU 579, Iowa 273
First Downs - PSU 29, Iowa 11
Possession - PSU ~40, Iowa ~20
Big difference was we had 2 turnovers and 8 penalties for 90 yards, while Iowa had only 1 and 3 for 25 respectively. Couldn't finish for whatever reason that night, until it mattered.
All you have to do is check the special teams stats and you will see why it's tough to win games with one hand tied behind your back.Hopefully the new coach and the addition of of the kid from VPI is going to help.There is no question about Hamler.
The way the Ohio State D line was blowing up our O line in the 4th quarter of the 2018 game was the difference. You could have had Bill Walsh calling the game, and it wouldn’t have mattered.
I still re-watch that game every few months... and when I need a lift, i just watch the last drive.
When we break from the sidelines Herbs is telling everyone that we're going to live or die with SB... iow, someway, we get him the ball. Then we got the pass that somehow clears Hookers fingertips (everytime i watch, i'm sure this is the moment he tips it away).
As the pl;ay unfolds all i could think was whether or not Trace can avoid having the pass batted back in his face... again.
And after the game, I was sure that either we were blessed with karma and the year was ours... or karma would be a nagging bitch and come collecting later in the season.
When we break from the sidelines Herbs is telling everyone that we're going to live or die with SB... iow, someway, we get him the ball. Then we got the pass that somehow clears Hookers fingertips (everytime i watch, i'm sure this is the moment he tips it away).
As the pl;ay unfolds all i could think was whether or not Trace can avoid having the pass batted back in his face... again.
And after the game, I was sure that either we were blessed with karma and the year was ours... or karma would be a nagging bitch and come collecting later in the season.
