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USA Today: PSU will smoke OSU...

Right now of course this all seems funny, but why not? Remember one of the most important reasons why Ohio State won in Columbus last year, and has lost the last two at State College(Yes, I count 2014 as a loss for Ohio State): At home, Ohio State can run the no huddle, turbo speed, Oregon style offense, but at Beaver Stadium, due to crowd noise, it's impossible for them to run that offense with the same speed and the same precision. Add another factor to this equation: For the first time in a long time, Ohio State is not bringing a running quarterback into Beaver Stadium, in Haskins, who, while mobile, is nothing near J.T. Barrett in terms of elusiveness, quickness, or speed.

Game could go any way at all and Haskins could throw for 350 yards and we could lose anyway. Just wanted to bring those points out into the open.
 
I'm not sure I buy Sheridan's argument. I think the opposite is possible, Ohio State could come in and smoke the Nits.

Ohio State now has the best running backs in the B10, Dobbins, Weber and Antonio Williams, running behind an O-line that was playing really well the last half of the season.

The big question is whether the middle of the PSU defense will have enough depth and enough strength to stop the run. Will they be good enough in late September?

There's absolutely no doubt about the Ohio State game plan, they will come in here and try to pound the PSU front seven into submission. And if they can, Urban Meyer will show no mercy -- he wants a statement game if he can get it.

And if Ohio State can do it, Michigan, MSU and Wisconsin will follow the blueprint. The whole season maybe hinges on how ready the PSU backup DTs and linebackers will be. Shelton, Barber, Hansard, Mustipher -- they're the biggest question mark. And they could be fine, we just won't know until the season. I just hope they know what they are facing. I think they'll be good players, but will they be good enough this year?

Pitt could be a pretty good indicator like last year. Last year PSU controlled the game but the Pitt OL controlled the LOS to an uncomfortable degree. If PItt and Ollison can pound it inside, that is not a good sign.
 
I'm not sure I buy Sheridan's argument. I think the opposite is possible, Ohio State could come in and smoke the Nits.

Ohio State now has the best running backs in the B10, Dobbins, Weber and Antonio Williams, running behind an O-line that was playing really well the last half of the season.

The big question is whether the middle of the PSU defense will have enough depth and enough strength to stop the run. Will they be good enough in late September?

There's absolutely no doubt about the Ohio State game plan, they will come in here and try to pound the PSU front seven into submission. And if they can, Urban Meyer will show no mercy -- he wants a statement game if he can get it.

And if Ohio State can do it, Michigan, MSU and Wisconsin will follow the blueprint. The whole season maybe hinges on how ready the PSU backup DTs and linebackers will be. Shelton, Barber, Hansard, Mustipher -- they're the biggest question mark. And they could be fine, we just won't know until the season. I just hope they know what they are facing. I think they'll be good players, but will they be good enough this year?

Pitt could be a pretty good indicator like last year. Last year PSU controlled the game but the Pitt OL controlled the LOS to an uncomfortable degree. If PItt and Ollison can pound it inside, that is not a good sign.

I agree that PSU's strength up the middle is the biggest question. You mention RS freshman but not Ellison Jordan. I'd feel more confident with him given his experience. Unfortunately we haven't heard anything about his recovery from a broken kneecap.
 
For the first time in a long time, Ohio State is not bringing a running quarterback into Beaver Stadium, in Haskins, who, while mobile, is nothing near J.T. Barrett in terms of elusiveness, quickness, or speed.

This is an excellent point and one that I think is going to be a big factor. Ever since the Tebow days, Meyer relies on the QB power runs when he needs yards. Going to be very interesting. In addition, they are going to be starting a true soph LT who has seen very little game reps. Like to see how he does against all of our edge rushers.
 
This is an excellent point and one that I think is going to be a big factor. Ever since the Tebow days, Meyer relies on the QB power runs when he needs yards. Going to be very interesting. In addition, they are going to be starting a true soph LT who has seen very little game reps. Like to see how he does against all of our edge rushers.
Haskins is a pro style QB but I think he can still run. He completed 70% of his passes last year and looked impressive against Michigan (6-7 passing for 94 yards, 3 carries for 24 yards). We'll see what happens.
 
This is an excellent point and one that I think is going to be a big factor. Ever since the Tebow days, Meyer relies on the QB power runs when he needs yards. Going to be very interesting. In addition, they are going to be starting a true soph LT who has seen very little game reps. Like to see how he does against all of our edge rushers.
Well, to be fair, we don't know who tOSU is going to start at QB. Don't count out Tate Martell. He is 5-11 205 and a dual threat guy in the order of Mr. football
 
Another huge factor will be our OL vs their DL. If our OL can block, we have a good shot. However, the past couple of years, even 2016 at the Beav when we won, McSorely was been pressured big time, running for his life. The same thing happened to Hack for 2-3 years. Their DL sacked USC "8 times" in their bowl game.
 
Another huge factor will be our OL vs their DL. If our OL can block, we have a good shot. However, the past couple of years, even 2016 at the Beav when we won, McSorely was been pressured big time, running for his life. The same thing happened to Hack for 2-3 years. Their DL sacked USC "8 times" in their bowl game.

Yeah their DL will probably be at their peak this year, very tough. PSU has some really good athletes at OL now, so it won't be the kind of mismatch that's been the last few years. It will be a great matchup.

I don't want to sound gloomy. PSU is a lot closer to being at parity with Ohio State talent than it's been in a long, long time. But along the LOS they're not quite there yet.
 
Yeah their DL will probably be at their peak this year, very tough. PSU has some really good athletes at OL now, so it won't be the kind of mismatch that's been the last few years. It will be a great matchup.

I don't want to sound gloomy. PSU is a lot closer to being at parity with Ohio State talent than it's been in a long, long time. But along the LOS they're not quite there yet.

Is Sam hubbard the only d lineman they lose from last year?
 

I would like to see us play a few games to see where we are at. We lost some really good players on D, and RB/TE/WR combo as good as we ever had. SB alone with pure skill created numerous plays that broke the back of the opponent when games were close. we are loaded with potential and talent better than any of our teams in the last couple decades. the only thing we have never actually done at PSU is reload after losing a substantial star base. This could be a first - talent is certainly there. if this forecast becomes true, then we are joining the big boy ranks with OSU, Bama, etc where they just reload.
 
Too many unknowns for the PSU offense at this point. Sanders might be good but he is not Barkley. Kuntz is probably a year or two away from filling Gesicki’s role. Not sure if Thompkins can replace Hamilton’s production.
Now, the OL should be better, and that has been the issue for years. Trace is back and has a solid backup guy who can be used in the offense in Stevens. Johnson and Shorter will both likely be matchup headaches for opposing defenses. We have some smaller, faster wideouts who appear to be able to separate. How long it will take the offense to sort itself out under a somewhat new OC is a question. We play tOSU early.
 
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Who do they have with experience other than Nick Bosa coming back? Use Fries and a blocking TE (Holland) to double team him and the LOS and we should be fine. I don’t see any other area across the line where we will be clearly “outmatched.”
 
Who do they have with experience other than Nick Bosa coming back? Use Fries and a blocking TE (Holland) to double team him along the LOS and we should be fine. I don’t see any other area across the line where we will be clearly “outmatched.”
 
Many think Chase Young will be the next star on the DL, sophomore DE.

We have 2 very good interior guys returning in Dre'Mont Jones and Robert Landers.

Lots of depth, DL is the one unit OSU fans aren't worried about.
 
Too many unknowns for the PSU offense at this point. Sanders might be good but he is not Barkley. Kuntz is probably a year or two away from filling Gesicki’s role. Not sure if Thompkins can replace Hamilton’s production.
Now, the OL should be better, and that has been the issue for years. Trace is back and has a solid backup guy who can be used in the offense in Stevens. Johnson and Shorter will both likely be matchup headaches for opposing defenses. We have some smaller, faster wideouts who appear to be able to separate. How long it will take the offense to sort itself put under a somewhat new OC is a question. We play tOSU early.

You casually mention "Trace is back" as if that is not significant. We have a 3 year, all-B1G (all-American?) caliber starter at the most important position on the field. Now, I don't know if he alone is enough to offset the losses on offense but we do have tremendous athletes replacing the players we lost, especially at RB and WR, so it's not like he has to do it all himself. Sleep on the importance of McSorley at your own peril.
 
You casually mention "Trace is back" as if that is not significant. We have a 3 year, all-B1G (all-American?) caliber starter at the most important position on the field. Now, I don't know if he alone is enough to offset the losses on offense but we do have tremendous athletes replacing the players we lost, especially at RB and WR, so it's not like he has to do it all himself. Sleep on the importance of McSorley at your own peril.
Not being casual about it, but Trace can’t do it alone. We are losing some extremely good players : Barkley was the best ever back I saw at PSU, Gesicki was the best TE receiver and Hamilton was the all time reception leader. I am hoping the OL gives Trace more time and creates more room for the backs to run. This will hopefully offset some of the playmaker losses. It will also hopefully result in longer possessions to keep our defense off the field.
 
Yeah their DL will probably be at their peak this year, very tough. PSU has some really good athletes at OL now, so it won't be the kind of mismatch that's been the last few years. It will be a great matchup.

I don't want to sound gloomy. PSU is a lot closer to being at parity with Ohio State talent than it's been in a long, long time. But along the LOS they're not quite there yet.

They lose Sprinkle and Sam, and those two killed us last year, even more than Bosa. I would hesitate to use the word "peak". We'll see how they look first.
 
The most important factor in this game will be depth. We simply did not have enough of it last year to stay with them, when they elongated the game by using the high speed offense. Beaver Stadium at night will take at least 5, maybe 10 seconds away from their offense on a play-to-play basis, and Haskins is not Barrett. I see those two factors as the main factors in this game. The rest of it, is all intangibles and can't be measured yet.

If the Lions can keep them to 70 or less plays, this game is very winnable.
 
You guys area bunch of panzies - “I don’t know if this one can step up”; “I don’t know if we have enough depth”; waa waa waa!

Yet when the other team loses players you buy right into the BS that “so and so” is the next big thing!

Well guess what - we have some next big things too! Time to put your big boy pants on and play some Football!

WE WILL BE FINE !
 
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You guys area bunch of pazies - “I don’t know if this one can step up”; “I don’t know if we have enough depth”; waa waa waa!

Yet when the other team loses players you buy right into the BS that “so and so” is the next big thing!

Well guess what - we have some next big things too! Time to put your big boy pants on and play some Football!

WE WILL BE FINE !

What's a pazie?

For the record I think we will actually be deeper this year than last, but younger also. I don't see a weakness defensively, but 275 and 281 across the DT front with the 1's? Sorry, that's a concern.
 
PSU is good and getting better but why would anyone predict a blowout of Ohio State? We have only achieved that once, ever. Urban will probably retire if it happens
 
I’m surprised the fanatical Buckeye Rapid Reaction Email Task Force hasn’t declared a Fatwa on USA Today for this latest outrage.
 
What's a pazie?

For the record I think we will actually be deeper this year than last, but younger also. I don't see a weakness defensively, but 275 and 281 across the DT front with the 1's? Sorry, that's a concern.


That’s a special kind of panzie !! Haha

Look I get the concern but every other team has the same concerns every year. My point is that some (not all) of the posters here act like our issues are dire. However, it somehow seems like the other teams always have someone who is going to step and and be fine (or worse yet, BETTER) than the prior year.

Well I got news for everyone - we have guys that are ready to step up and better than last year too !!
 
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Not being casual about it, but Trace can’t do it alone. We are losing some extremely good players : Barkley was the best ever back I saw at PSU, Gesicki was the best TE receiver and Hamilton was the all time reception leader. I am hoping the OL gives Trace more time and creates more room for the backs to run. This will hopefully offset some of the playmaker losses. It will also hopefully result in longer possessions to keep our defense off the field.

Oh christ, the year before everyone was moaning about how we lost Chris Godwin, how would we ever replace him???? Juwan Johnson is a stud, he's going to be a high draft pick when he leaves early. Thompkins is a proven deep ball threat. KJ Hamler was the star of the spring and is an absolute burner. We're replacing Barkley with the consensus #1 back in his draft class, Miles Sanders. He averaged over 6 yards per carry so far in his career. Yes, there is no receiving threat like Gesicki at tight end, but he was also an awful blocker. Bowers will be an upgrade as a blocker. The offensive line should be much better.

The quarterback makes everything go, and we certainly have enough talent surrounding him. This is college football, every team loses players every year. The great teams replace them with other great players. That is where Penn State is at now.
 
Oh christ, the year before everyone was moaning about how we lost Chris Godwin, how would we ever replace him???? Juwan Johnson is a stud, he's going to be a high draft pick when he leaves early. Thompkins is a proven deep ball threat. KJ Hamler was the star of the spring and is an absolute burner. We're replacing Barkley with the consensus #1 back in his draft class, Miles Sanders. He averaged over 6 yards per carry so far in his career. Yes, there is no receiving threat like Gesicki at tight end, but he was also an awful blocker. Bowers will be an upgrade as a blocker. The offensive line should be much better.

The quarterback makes everything go, and we certainly have enough talent surrounding him. This is college football, every team loses players every year. The great teams replace them with other great players. That is where Penn State is at now.
I think the OL will be deeper and better than in a very long time and we should reap significant benefits there.
We will just have to agree to disagree about the significance of losing Barkley and Hamilton.
Johnson is good, but he’s the only bigger WR we now have with experience. Shorter looks like the real deal and George looks promising also, but they are true freshmen.
 
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