What difference does the program make when you’re talking about a specific player? And Purdue has developed QB’s better than PSU forever.
"Usually when you're in college football a long time, it's because you're not good enough to leave."
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Yep. They are no more one of us. They are no more amateurs . Now they’re professionals and need to realize the school affiliation thing is gone.
So? The game has changed . These are pros now, so why worry about niceties, especially from an announcer .
Yea he did engineer that drive, I’m glad. But as you said, right after a puck six. He’s a decent college Qb, nothing more.
We'll agree to disagree about the appropriateness of the comment by a national announcer in the middle of the first game of the season. One in which said QB won and performed well.
He is what he is a decent college Qb. It’s like a AAA baseball all star, if you’re good they call you up.
Not only that, Klatt talked to the Purdue QB as an NFL prospect WHO WAS ALSO A FIFTH YEAR SENIOR
Clifford threw some pretty passes early too and there were multiple drops:
1. KLS had 2 early, maybe a 3rd before settling in. The one of which he very well could have turned up the field for a TD based on how he turned on the jets on his TD reception.
2. Washington dropped the swing pass and he had 10 to 15 yards ahead of him before a defender gets close.
3. I want to say Warren dropped one Clifford pass before the Allar drop but I could be mistaken.
I will agree about Alllar that he has the look, footwork, and arm talent of a top QB. His passes were strong and on target. The drop in to Warren would have been a highlight reel throw. I have no clue if he's ready to lead us yet, and honestly none of us do. I will say this. If he's ready, he'll end up taking snaps before the season is over if Clifford plays to par.
How doesn't it matter? Lower level programs (I hope you agree Purdue isn't on Penn State's level or shouldn't be) relying on runs when they have a bunch of 5th year players that are good. It's why Northwestern goes for good to garbage and back all the time. Penn State should be reloading every year and sometimes that means with guys better than the ones that just left for the draft. See Georgia yesterday.
There isn't anything wrong with that--assuming the kid stays which isn't a given these days
Are you saying that he'll get good enough to leave?
HopefullyAre you saying that he'll get good enough to leave?
So, Klatt is a BSer that contradicted himself. I started watching football with the sound off @ 40 years ago when they kept adding bozo story tellers to interfere with my watching football. By in large they are a unnecessary negative asset to understanding the game I love to watch. Unnecessary baggage. No more. No less.
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Schools don't develop positions, coaches do. We used to have to best linebacker coach and hence we used to have the best linebackers.
Outside of three teams, no program lives up to your expectations….and PSU hasn’t been one of those programs since the 80’s.
Which is due to coaching nothing else--we have the talent
Then that could be said about many other teams and the ones that can’t say it it’s because their coaches aren’t good enough to recruit that kind of talent. When only three teams can live up to expectations, it’s about more than just coaching.
We have the talent--based on recruiting easily top 15 yet unranked coming off 2 awful seasons. We just don't properly develop most of that talent.
The players, they're pros now. they can change teams as they please and now earn money off their likeness. It's going to change the whole scheme of things for many like myself. I'm not saying all fans, but it's not the same game.
I agree 100%. But who could blame a kid that's not NFL talent for hanging around for an extra year to play the game he loves while earning $100k from NIL?
100% agree, but for me as the alumnus fan I lost something. We’re the only ones showing loyalty and it’s obvious how much they care about us. Now it’s just entertainment , like Bob Seger or a movie.
Some of the thoughts in this thread are just crazy, I've even read a couple of "this is a rebuilding" year. Really? The 247 Composite Roster Talent ratings say differently. PSU has a rock solid roster rating over 90 which 95% of CF would only dream of having.
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
And I travel around the different B1G boards - including OSU's Eleven Warriors - and one of their recent polls was "which team on the schedule has the best chance of beating the Buckeyes." Yep, by a landslide - PSU in Happy Valley. Point - this is not a rebuilding year
Now to the Clifford issue. PSU should really thank the stars that Cliff returned. Is he the most gifted QB around? Of course not but he's a really solid COLLEGE QB. Look at the Alabama and OSU QBs in the last decade. Saban and Alabama have completely dominated CF and the prime CF position is QB which drives the engine. The Alabama QBs are OK - decent in the NFL but come nowhere close to what they were at Alabama. Same with OSU. They're QBs have sucked in the NFL but sure are effective in the COLLEGE game. Remember JT Barrett? His situation reminds me - somewhat - of Clifford. You knew he wasn't going to make it in the NFL but sure did well in COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
Klatt was wrong for throwing shade at Clifford. Allar looks to be a really physically gifted QB but his time isn't now - it's next year. Give the kid time to develop - especially between the ears with the college game. Oh, and if any of you run into Cliff this year, thank him for returning
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
And I travel around the different B1G boards - including OSU's Eleven Warriors - and one of their recent polls was "which team on the schedule has the best chance of beating the Buckeyes." Yep, by a landslide - PSU in Happy Valley. Point - this is not a rebuilding year
Now to the Clifford issue. PSU should really thank the stars that Cliff returned. Is he the most gifted QB around? Of course not but he's a really solid COLLEGE QB. Look at the Alabama and OSU QBs in the last decade. Saban and Alabama have completely dominated CF and the prime CF position is QB which drives the engine. The Alabama QBs are OK - decent in the NFL but come nowhere close to what they were at Alabama. Same with OSU. They're QBs have sucked in the NFL but sure are effective in the COLLEGE game. Remember JT Barrett? His situation reminds me - somewhat - of Clifford. You knew he wasn't going to make it in the NFL but sure did well in COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
Klatt was wrong for throwing shade at Clifford. Allar looks to be a really physically gifted QB but his time isn't now - it's next year. Give the kid time to develop - especially between the ears with the college game. Oh, and if any of you run into Cliff this year, thank him for returning
Do the fans show loyalty or do we only appreciate the players while they're here and if they stay? See the comments about Redd and others when they left. Loyalty isn't about rooting for someone (or even a team) because they do exactly what you think they should do.
Nothing has changed. The kids that want to be here still were blue and white while representing our school. College football has always been a "big business" and it's odd that so many "fans" don't want the players to benefit from that.
..and to the point of analysis, Porter was getting a ton of crap on social media and this site's in-game thread. He was named the national defensive player of the week!
OSU and ‘bama always have great offensive lines, great running backs, and great receivers that make any QB look good. Their talent level is high enough they dominate most of the teams they play.
When these kids get to the NFL they are in a system dedicated to keeping teams to a nearly equal level. Draft system, payroll caps, much smaller number of players on a team.
Well, I don't have to like it and I don't have to be a consumer of the product.
You are correct. You don't have to be but don't claim you're loyal then...
Where did I say I'm loyal? I'm saying as a fan we do not get the loyalty they want from us. I've believed most sports to be a scam in that way for some time now. Players can leave, coaches can leave, and teams can move. But they count on fans staying loyal because that's their revenue stream.
I went from loyal to wanting to see a good product. I watch on tv and when the game is over I go do something or watch something else.
You said "We’re the only ones showing loyalty"--if you're now saying you aren't loyal then we're not on different pages but you were falsely claiming that somehow "we" (which includes you) were loyal.
Sports, to me, is now simply "entertainment". watching a game is akin to watching a good netflix movie or HBO Max series. I still like sports, but am no longer invested in most teams.
PSU is still the only major exception, for whatever reason, but that has waned. Pirates, Steelers, Browns, Cavaliers are all the same. I still do like, for whatever reason, the Guardians but not sure why. Perhaps it is just summertime and I want to enjoy a ball game while I wax my car.
I meant as fans, since I'm a PSU alum and fan I used a general term. Fans are the only ones showing loyalty. Not necessarily all fans are as loyal as other fans but fans are more loyal to the program than any other group.
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