VIDEO: Tom Ryan talking about taking 2nd place, the discomfort of doing so & Bo pinning Myles
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If you ask me, it's pretty comical of Ryan to say that MyMar wins that match if he doesn't give up the pin..... First of all Bo is now 7-2 against MyMar in 9 matches with multiple pins, MDs and TFs against him! Secondly, MyMar gives up the reversal and exposure points even if he doesn't give up the pin, so it is ludicrous for Ryan to sit there and claim that MyMar wins that match if he doesn't get pinned...just utterly ludicrous if you ask me.
BTW, after watching the sequence over and over, I think what happened was that Bo originally took the chin whizzer position off (i.e., cement mixer when coupled with an under) because he was going to try to fend off the leg attack by MyMar by driving his arm down in-between MyMar's arms but was being driven backwards before he could hop back and get his arm in......so as he went back, Bo made sure he kept his leg in the "elevator position" (i.e., lower-leg and foot hooked between MyMar's legs) and has soon as his back hit the mat, he immediately re-grabbed the chin and started lifting the elevator simultaneously.
I HAVE to give props to Ryan. When that A$$#@&# reporter ask Ryan to compare the feeling of losing NCAA's to that of losing his child..........he handled it FAR better that I would have.
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My interpretation is Ryan was saying if Martin doesn't get reversed (and pinned), then he is in good shape for the win. Up 4-0 and possibly riding out the period, Martin was in good shape (though I wouldn't have counted Bo out).
Martin actually looked really good Saturday night, just not good enough.
I watched that pin at least 10 times yesterday and 10 more times today. Anyone else do the same?
Yep.
Have to watch it from reverse angle on the ESPN3/ off the mat production
Bo had the head .... then lets go ... beginning to roll out ... . then says “why not?”, goes back and finds the head & Elevators Martin over.
Insane.
Well that is equally inane then.....essentially saying that if Bo doesn't attempt to "counter", and ultimately successfully counter, MyMar (Bo clearly drives his foot and lower leg into the elevator position as he is going to his back - it is no fluke move by Bo), MyMar likely wins the match...... Ummm, yea, okay....that's pretty much a "tautology", but wrestling isn't just about what Ryan's guy is doing - it's also about what Bo is doing! Just utterly absurd to say, or even remotely, imply that Bo got lucky RATHER THAN OUT-EXECUTING to win that match.....especially absurd thing to say when Bo is now 7-2 against MyMar in their 9 matches and Bo has outscored MyMar by a Country-Mile in those 9 matches (both in terms of on the mat and team scoring points amassed). Implying that MyMar was the better wrestler there and Bo was just lucky to win (or MyMar was unlucky to lose) - which is absolutely what Ryan was trying to imply is complete and utter rubbish.
Out of curiosity and this clearly doesn't matter now, but did Martin even get the two count for back points? I honestly don't know, so it's a question of whether it's 6-4 or 6-2 in favor of Nickal if Bo didn't pin him when he did. Either way, I think it's ridiculous to make the statement that Martin goes on to win that if he's not pinned, especially given the history between the two wrestlers.
It’s all, if, if, if!!!!! Why doesn’t anyone want to give Bo the credit he deserves, he pinned his ass!!! That’s all that counts
I thought the ref saw right away the possibility of the elevator. Dont think he ever started swiping, tho MM would have had two I imagine.
I did not see the swipes for Martin at the time. Takedown was given but I don't think back points were given. 6-2 if the pin doesn't happen, and Martin has maybe 15 seconds to escape from a bellied out position. Ryan is assuming a lot, because from that point on Martin needs 3 or 4 takedowns to win and a minimum of 3 takedowns for force overtime with 2 periods left.
You can say what you want about Tom, but I thought he handled that interview well. Not too much excuse making, and talking about what is really important in life as well as the room.
For what its worth, Bo said post match (no, not in THAT interview) that he had to regrip or whatever because he didn't have his feet set or flat originally so didn't have the traction/leverage he wanted. Once he got his feet planted he regripped and...
Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!! Thought the whole interview was really good. Tough questions and he gave some straightforward answers....
Trow can go right back at him, as Funky picked Eierman as a champ, and Lewis to beat Hall. Homerism is a 2 way street.
Now you’ve got me wondering. If they didn’t give him back points and they challenged that there should have been, what does that do to the fall?
Good point, had it gotten to that point and they determined that backs should have been awarded but were not, the fall would have been void. That said, the refs surely would have said that it was a fluid set of moves and that they intended to award the backs but were too intent on determining if Bo pinned him. The other issue is that tOSU had already used their allotted 15 bricks at this point, so who was going to challenge?
Listen closely. "Fight On State" is playing in the background. Brilliant!
Same reason some did not want to give AM credit when he beat VJ at BJC. Depends on what color glasses you are wearing at the moment.
Ryan ran out of challenges earlier. I know he said he didn't have any challenges or he would have challenged what he thought was a very questionable call.....I think it was in Micah's last match
Absolutely agreed. As someone who has lost a child, I would not have handled myself with the grace Tom did in answering him.
Ryan has been spewing ifs and buts ever since Zain took down Stieber.
This one is ridiculous on many levels. 1st of all, it's not like Bo hasn't done this type of thing to lots of wrestlers. In Martin's case, he's tried going conservative and that hasn't been working. Saturday night we saw why conservative might be his best option.
2nd of all, to assume Martin gets 4 or 6 is a mute point. If he's looking for a different outcome then he should consider that Bo could have just bellied out and given the 2. The only reason backs are in the discussion is because Bo was going big and Martin went for the cheese in the trap.
This one is ridiculous on many levels. 1st of all, it's not like Bo hasn't done this type of thing to lots of wrestlers. In Martin's case, he's tried going conservative and that hasn't been working. Saturday night we saw why conservative might be his best option.
2nd of all, to assume Martin gets 4 or 6 is a mute point. If he's looking for a different outcome then he should consider that Bo could have just bellied out and given the 2. The only reason backs are in the discussion is because Bo was going big and Martin went for the cheese in the trap.
I could be wrong but I think Ryan was saying Myles would have been in a great position to win if he wasn’t rolled over and pinned, kept his position on top and collected the back points, versus the way it came out and not just being pinned. He meant Myles being up 4-0 and not down 6-2. Woulda coulda shoulda...
Can't wait for this week's show. I don't mind the homerism by each of them, as the show is entertaining to me. Huge fails on both accounts on their predictions, and we'll see how they handle it and own it. Ben usually does a good job accepting when he is wrong. T-Row as well. Really want to see how they handle the seeding craziness cause by Ryan and Smith. Interested in the Nolf assault on Micah (Ben will enjoy that). And of course, the Cenzo and Bo matches will be great. That said, T-Row still picks MyMar to be 3-0 next year over Bo!
I agree on all accounts. That's actually my favorite podcast. They compliment each other really well.
