Waaaaay to early season predictions contest.

[burnsie1983]

This is just for fun, to help pass the time until wrestling returns. Pick the 10 NCAA Champs in order of confidence. Tiebreaker will be top team at Nationals with points scored, second will be Hodge trophy winner.
Example....this will also serve as my picks.

149 Zain 10
157 Nolf 9
197 Cox 8
184 Dean 7
285 Snyder 6
165 Imar 5
133 Clark 4
174 Nickal 3
141 Heil 2
125 Gilman 1

Team champ: PSU 110

Hodge: Zain

Please specify the weights for your predictions. Even though most are obvious, there will surely be weight changes between now and then. I'll leave this open for about a week so everyone is picking with basically the same knowledge (or, more accurately, the lack thereof) I'll throw the info in a spreadsheet and we can revisit in March and see just how wrong most of us were!

 

[CowboyUp61]

149 Retherford 10
197 Cox 9
HWT Snyder 8
157 Nolf 7
174 Nickal 6
141 Heil 5
184 Dean 4
125 Tomasello 3
165 I Jordan 2
133 Richards 1

PSU 117.5
Hodge Retherford

Fun game!

 

[James P. Whitters III]

149 Zain-10
285 Snyder-9
197 Cox-8
157 Nolf-7
184 Dean-6
165 Imar-5
174 Bo Nick-4
125 Gilman-3
141 Heil-2
133Brock-1

PSU-106

Snyder

 

[El-Jefe]

149 Zain 10
HWT Snyder 9
197 Cox 8
157 Nolf 7
184 Dean 6
165 Martinez 5
174 Nickal 4
141 Heil 3
133 Clark 2
125 Gilman 1

PSU 110
Hodge Snyder or Cox, whoever places higher at Rio. Zain will be most worthy -- just like he was this year -- but Snyder and Cox both have hype edge + Cox will be a SR.

 

[dicemen99]

197 Cox - 10
149 Zain - 9
285 Snyder - 8
157 Nolf - 7
174/184 Nickal/Dean - 6
141 Heil - 5
165 Martinez - 4
174/184 Z.Valencia - 3
133 Clark - 2
125 Tomasello - 1

PSU 120
Hodge - Cox

I know it's a cheat but not sure where Valencia is going. Wherever he goes, I'm picking him and the other weight I'll confidently pick either Nickal or Dean.

 

[CowboyUp61]

197 Cox - 10
149 Zain - 9
285 Snyder - 8
157 Nolf - 7
174/184 Nickal/Dean - 6
141 Heil - 5
165 Martinez - 4
174/184 Z.Valencia - 3
133 Clark - 2
125 Tomasello - 1

PSU 120
Hodge - Cox

I know it's a cheat but not sure where Valencia is going. Wherever he goes, I'm picking him and the other weight I'll confidently pick either Nickal or Dean.

I know this will make the flo boys seem like haters because they don't agree with Guns, but this is how they see it:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/42979-2016-lineup-look-arizona-state-sun-devils

or maybe I should have kept that to myself

 

[jschrantz]

149 Zain-10
197 Cox- 9
HWT Snyder-8
157 Nolf-7
184 Dean-6
133 Brock-5
125 Tomasello-4
141 Ashnault-3
174 Jordan-2
165 Massa-1

Hodge: Cox

Psu 117

 

[dicemen99]

I know this will make the flo boys seem like haters because they don't agree with Guns, but this is how they see it:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/42979-2016-lineup-look-arizona-state-sun-devils

or maybe I should have kept that to myself

Saw that and it certainly makes sense from the individual perspective - which also makes it likely. From a team perspective, ASU will get more talented wrestlers in the lineup if the Valencia's go 174 and 184 so I'm keeping that open as a possibility.

 

[burnsie1983]

149 Zain 10
HWT Snyder 9
197 Cox 8
157 Nolf 7
184 Dean 6
165 Martinez 5
174 Nickal 4
141 Heil 3
133 Clark 2
125 Gilman 1

PSU 110
Hodge Snyder or Cox, whoever places higher at Rio. Zain will be most worthy -- just like he was this year -- but Snyder and Cox both have hype edge + Cox will be a SR.

197 Cox - 10
149 Zain - 9
285 Snyder - 8
157 Nolf - 7
174/184 Nickal/Dean - 6
141 Heil - 5
165 Martinez - 4
174/184 Z.Valencia - 3
133 Clark - 2
125 Tomasello - 1

PSU 120
Hodge - Cox

I know it's a cheat but not sure where Valencia is going. Wherever he goes, I'm picking him and the other weight I'll confidently pick either Nickal or Dean.

Please specify your picks in the bolded areas, part of what makes this challenging (impossible?) is the unknown. Thanks guys.

 

[yekrut321]

285 Snyder 10
149 Retherford 9
197 Cox 8
184 Dean 7
157 Nolf 6
141 Heil 5
133 Clark 4
174 Jordan or Martin 3 whoever Tan Tom throws out there. Our gunslinger will get caught.
165 I. Jordan 2 Imar won't be able to throw guys around...and he will need some concussion protocols.
125 Gilman 1 Coin toss.

Hodge-Snyder...I agree with Jefe....a good olympics and its his

Team-$OSU by the slimmest of margins

Had difficulty and fun at the same time!!!

 

[tikk10]

149 Retherford - 10
197 Cox - 9
157 Nolf - 8
285 Snyder - 7
165 Martinez - 6
184 Dean - 5
125 Tomasello - 4
174 Nickal - 3
133 Z Richards - 2
141 McKenna - 1

PSU - 116
Hodge: Retherford

 

[tikk10]

I notice some people are assigning 'confidence' numbers opposite from Burnsie's example. It should be 10 = most confident to 1 = least confident.

 

[tomsc]

Hwt--Snyder 10
149--Retherford 9
197--Cox 8
157--Nolf 7
184--Dean 6
165--Martinez 5
141--Heil 4
174--Z Valencia 3
125--Tomasello 2
133--Brock 1

PSU: 120 pts

Hodge: Retherford

(I think the top 3 are virtual locks and could be put in almost any order. I thinkl Nolf is almost there). I did put Snyder as favorite for Hodge, but his low # of falls should count against him. We'll see. If Z Valencia goes at 184, then I pick Nickal at 174. I stay with Dean even if Z Valencia is at 184.

 

[yekrut321]

I notice some people are assigning 'confidence' numbers opposite from Burnsie's example. It should be 10 = most confident to 1 = least confident.

Ooops....sorry!!! Lol. I need illustrated instructions to follow!! Corrected!!

 

[dunkej01]

10 - Zain - 149
9 - Snyder - HWt
8 - Cox - 197
7 - Dean - 184
6 - Nolf - 157
5 - Imar 165
4 - Gillman 125
3 - Heil 141
2 - Clark 133
1 - Nickal 174

PSU: 107 pts

Hodge: Zain

 

[rakes6293]

10 - Zain 149
9 - Snyder 285
8 - Cox 197
7 - Nolf 157
6 - Nickal 174
5 - Tomasello 125
4 - Clark 133
3 - Heil 141
2 - I Jordan 165
1 - Dean 184

Hodge - Zain
Champs - Penn State 127.5

 

[Cali_Nittany]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

 

[nitlion6]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

Most accurate "way too early to predict" prediction I've ever seen posted!

 

[burnsie1983]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

I hope you win!

 

[CowboyUp61]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

Nice. The realism might be missing, but no one can misjudge your loyaties

 

[Dungeon Yankee]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

by far the most accurate and well thought out

 

[NoVa Lion]

149 Zain 10
184 Dean 9
157 Nolf 8
165 Imar 7
197 Cox 6
125 Tomasello 5
141 Ashnault 4
174 Nickal 3
133 Clark 2
285 Coon 1

Team champ: PSU 121

Hodge: Zain

 

[jschrantz]

149 Zain 10
184 Dean 9
157 Nolf 8
165 Imar 7
197 Cox 6
125 Tomasello 5
141 Ashnault 4
174 Nickal 3
133 Clark 2
285 Coon 1

Team champ: PSU 121

Hodge: Zain

Snyder done after winning Gold

 

[tikk10]

285 Coon 1

Bold! I just rewatched that B1G final. Snyder had some minor problems with Coon's size, but Coon had major problems with Snyder's quickness, slow to react on all Snyder's TDs.

 

[ZepGraffiti]

10 - Retherford 149
9 - Cox 197
8 - Nolf 157
7 - Snyder 285
6 - Martinez 165
5 - Dean 184
4 - Tomasello 125
3 - McKenna 141
2 - Richards 133
1 - ZValencia 174

PSU = 109 pts

Hodge: IMar. With at least 1 Jordan in the mix, plus a flood of incoming studs at this weight, if he runs the table for NC3 he'll be tough to beat out in the voter's minds (IMO Snyder & Cox will wrestle limited schedules. Zain will be more than deserving, but a victim of circumstance).

 

[burnsie1983]

Window for predictions has closed. Spreadsheet is set up, we'll revisit in March!

 

[21Guns]

Snyder done after winning Gold

The Mat board would go into perma-meltdown mode.

 

[jtothemfp]

Sorry I missed the window, still interested in playing unofficially:

10 zPain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Cox 197
7 Snyder 285
6 Dean 184
5 Tomasello 125
4 Nickal 174
3 IMartinez 165
2 Clark 133
1 McKenna 141

PSU 135.5pts
Hodge ztothePain, in a super-close battle with J'Den

 

[burnsie1983]

Sorry I missed the window, still interested in playing unofficially:

10 zPain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Cox 197
7 Snyder 285
6 Dean 184
5 Tomasello 125
4 Nickal 174
3 IMartinez 165
2 Clark 133
1 McKenna 141

PSU 135.5pts
Hodge ztothePain, in a super-close battle with J'Den

Ehhh, you're in! I can't think of any news that broke over the last week and a half that'll give you an unfair advantage.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Snyder done after winning Gold

Don't encourage guns, he would drool all over himself.

 

[MDAlum]

10 Zain 149
9 Nolf 157
8 Nickal 174
7 Suriano 125
6 Joseph 165
5 Rasheed 184
4 Nevills Heavy
3 Casser 197
2 Cortez 133
1 Gulibon 141

Hodge: The scourge of watermelons

PSU: 300

Absolutely funny post. But look into the message. In 2016 we had five guys in the NCAA finals. And none of those were a surprise. No, they all were not 1-2 seeds, but still it was a very strong and reasonable representation. Cali's list tells me we fall of the "reasonable" edge after 3 this year. I know, they have to wrestle yet, so it could certainly change. But there is the Big 3, then a lot of uncertainty. And yes, every team has unknowns, but we have a lot of turnover / question marks.

7 - Suriano - true freshman. What's the top end this year? Podium?
6 - Joseph - redshirt frosh at a weight we didn't expect. More interesting than Morelli.
5 - Rasheed - is this his weight class? Can he be effective here? Is this where Bo ends up?
4 - Nevills - injured two straight years. What are we going to see.
3 - Cassar - injured and re-injured. If not for his freestyle accomplishments what would we be saying here?
2 - Cortez - I think he is more proven, but its been a long time since he wrestled.
1 - Guilibon - at 141, lots to prove to people

 

[jschrantz]

Absolutely funny post. But look into the message. In 2016 we had five guys in the NCAA finals. And none of those were a surprise. No, they all were not 1-2 seeds, but still it was a very strong and reasonable representation. Cali's list tells me we fall of the "reasonable" edge after 3 this year. I know, they have to wrestle yet, so it could certainly change. But there is the Big 3, then a lot of uncertainty. And yes, every team has unknowns, but we have a lot of turnover / question marks.

7 - Suriano - true freshman. What's the top end this year? Podium?
6 - Joseph - redshirt frosh at a weight we didn't expect. More interesting than Morelli.
5 - Rasheed - is this his weight class? Can he be effective here? Is this where Bo ends up?
4 - Nevills - injured two straight years. What are we going to see.
3 - Cassar - injured and re-injured. If not for his freestyle accomplishments what would we be saying here?
2 - Cortez - I think he is more proven, but its been a long time since he wrestled.
1 - Guilibon - at 141, lots to prove to people

You are significantly underselling Vincenzo Joseph who is every bit the real deal. Cenzo could challenge IMAR but it's a loaded 165 with Massa and Isaac Jordan there too.I get and agree with the overall point of your post though. Also, I expect Suriano to AA and would be surprised if he didn't, he's that good Now.

 

[jschrantz]

Absolutely funny post. But look into the message. In 2016 we had five guys in the NCAA finals. And none of those were a surprise. No, they all were not 1-2 seeds, but still it was a very strong and reasonable representation. Cali's list tells me we fall of the "reasonable" edge after 3 this year. I know, they have to wrestle yet, so it could certainly change. But there is the Big 3, then a lot of uncertainty. And yes, every team has unknowns, but we have a lot of turnover / question marks.

7 - Suriano - true freshman. What's the top end this year? Podium?
6 - Joseph - redshirt frosh at a weight we didn't expect. More interesting than Morelli.
5 - Rasheed - is this his weight class? Can he be effective here? Is this where Bo ends up?
4 - Nevills - injured two straight years. What are we going to see.
3 - Cassar - injured and re-injured. If not for his freestyle accomplishments what would we be saying here?
2 - Cortez - I think he is more proven, but its been a long time since he wrestled.
1 - Guilibon - at 141, lots to prove to people

All these guys will return for additional years minus JG, that's the plus, young team. Also, add in Hall, Nolf, Nickal, and Zain for more years. This could be our down year, that ain't too bad

 

[jtothemfp]

Ehhh, you're in! I can't think of any news that broke over the last week and a half that'll give you an unfair advantage.

Thanks!

 

[LaxHawk174]

Is it generally thought that Nick Lee will fill in as a true freshman in 2018 after Jimmy graduates? Also assuming Bo moves up to 184 to slot Hall in at 174. Would Rasheed then go to 197 to compete with Cassar?

 

[jschrantz]

Is it generally thought that Nick Lee will fill in as a true freshman in 2018 after Jimmy graduates? Also assuming Bo moves up to 184 to slot Hall in at 174. Would Rasheed then go to 197 to compete with Cassar?

Cael likes to redshirt most all , unless we need a guy to go(Nico, this year Suriano). I'd say at 141 in two years you'd be more likely to see a senior in Kade Moss get first crack, rather than a true Nick Lee especially without needing the pts with a Loaded 2018 team.

 

[burnsie1983]

Cael likes to redshirt most all , unless we need a guy to go(Nico, this year Suriano). I'd say at 141 in two years you'd be more likely to see a senior in Kade Moss get first crack, rather than a true Nick Lee especially without needing the pts with a Loaded 2018 team.

Gary Dinmore could be in the conversation too, if he's able to hold 141.