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Dr. Evel

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I've always enjoyed the posts about this by the NE PA posters. It sounds like a fun part of some folks' Holidays.

I've never tried to make it, but the Inquirer had an article about it yesterday, so I think this year I'm gonna give it a shot (dumb idea though it may be). I was with friends for FB yesterday, and mentioned this. Our one friend pulls out her grandma's recipe from eons ago. She grew up in Jim Thorpe. She had never heard anyone in our area be interested in making it. I think I will go with the friend's recipe, but I wanted to see if anyone here had any recommendations: ingredients, how to serve it, etc. Thanks in advance!
 
I've always enjoyed the posts about this by the NE PA posters. It sounds like a fun part of some folks' Holidays.

I've never tried to make it, but the Inquirer had an article about it yesterday, so I think this year I'm gonna give it a shot (dumb idea though it may be). I was with friends for FB yesterday, and mentioned this. Our one friend pulls out her grandma's recipe from eons ago. She grew up in Jim Thorpe. She had never heard anyone in our area be interested in making it. I think I will go with the friend's recipe, but I wanted to see if anyone here had any recommendations: ingredients, how to serve it, etc. Thanks in advance!


Sounds sinister to me Evel. lol
 
Never heard of it until I lived in Hazleton a couple of years (just down the road from Jim Thorpe). Never had it though.
 
I've always enjoyed the posts about this by the NE PA posters. It sounds like a fun part of some folks' Holidays.

I've never tried to make it, but the Inquirer had an article about it yesterday, so I think this year I'm gonna give it a shot (dumb idea though it may be). I was with friends for FB yesterday, and mentioned this. Our one friend pulls out her grandma's recipe from eons ago. She grew up in Jim Thorpe. She had never heard anyone in our area be interested in making it. I think I will go with the friend's recipe, but I wanted to see if anyone here had any recommendations: ingredients, how to serve it, etc. Thanks in advance!
I'd be interested in your friend's recipe and comments from your experience.
 
It wouldn't be the holidays without an annual boilo thread. Is this really worth making, or is it just one of those traditions people hang on to?
 
I'd be interested in your friend's recipe and comments from your experience.
She is transcribing the grandmother's recipe -- it was all hand written and tough to follow.

The three other ones she had (from very old, yellow newspaper articles):
1)

1 qt 90-100 proof liquor
handful of dry peppermint leaves
3 tbl honey
1 tbl caraway seeds
1 tsp camomile
1 cinnamon stick

Boil, reduce and simmer. serve warm.

2)

1 fifth whiskey
1 lb honey
1 orange
2 tbl caraway seeds

Netting it out, combine all of the above, stir over low heat, let age for 60 seconds (loved that part), and enjoy.

3)

Lithuanian Boilo (not sure of the distinction that makes it more Lithuanian than the previous two)

1 pt whiskey
2 cinnamon sticks
3 tbl caraway seeds
1/2 C honey

Bring to a slow boil.

Again, will post her recipe and about my experiences.

My oldest and I plan to give this to the obnoxious drunken aunt, so that she drifts off to la la land rather quickly...
 
Let me just say this. I don't have time now to debate the ingredients or quantities, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you boil your mixture after you add the firewater.

You want to blend all the ingredients, honey, citrus and spices and simmer at very low boil for as long as needed/desired. Then strain out all the pulp, seeds and what not and add the liquor to the hot liquid.

Otherwise, in addition to being a severe fire hazard with high proof hooch in proximity to heat and open flames, you will evaporate off the alcohol, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

The ingredients listed above, I think those recipes suck. The Philadelphia Inquirer knows as much about Boilo as I do about Chinese arithmetic.

Try this:

www.coalregion.com

Is it worth the trouble? Are you kidding me? Is the Pope Catholic?
 
Let me just say this. I don't have time now to debate the ingredients or quantities, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you boil your mixture after you add the firewater.

You want to blend all the ingredients, honey, citrus and spices and simmer at very low boil for as long as needed/desired. Then strain out all the pulp, seeds and what not and add the liquor to the hot liquid.

Otherwise, in addition to being a severe fire hazard with high proof hooch in proximity to heat and open flames, you will evaporate off the alcohol, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

The ingredients listed above, I think those recipes suck. The Philadelphia Inquirer knows as much about Boilo as I do about Chinese arithmetic.

Try this:

www.coalregion.com

Is it worth the trouble? Are you kidding me? Is the Pope Catholic?
I was surprised about adding the alcohol and then bringing to a boil, not so much from a fire issue (which to me is more of a concern with 151 or grain) but from an efficacy standpoint. I would have adapted those recipes accordingly.

The Inqy article didn't give the recipes. The recipes were from an old newspaper in the coal region, which my friend saved. The Inqy article was reprinted from elsewhere (presumably a NE PA paper, but I would have to go back to look), and talked more about the tradition in NE PA. It was actually pretty reverential. I liked it.

Thanks for the recipes you linked. Those seem really good.
 
Made a batch last weekend. It's about keeping the tradition going, plus it is pretty damn good. Good for a cold too. You'll be loaded with vitamin C. Makes the house smell nice when you're cooking it too. Every boilo cook has their own twist on it. It's kinda hard to mess up. Some are better than others but it's all a matter of taste. If anybody cares, here's how I do it.

Approx 1L ginger ale
4 oranges
4 lemons
1 tsp caraway seeds
12 oz honey
4-5 cinnamon sticks
750ml Four Queens whiskey (any cheap whiskey will do)
1/2 750ml cheap vodka. Some will use grain, whatever.

Zest some of the fruit and put about a tablespoon of zest in a large pot. Peel, quarter, and squeeze the rest of the fruit into pot. Add all other ingredients except alcohol. Boil on stovetop for 6-8 minutes. Stir constantly. Cover and allow to cool a bit. Add booze and stir. Strain and bottle. Yield approx 2 1/2 750ml bottles. Some people cut up the fruit and use peel and all. I find that can make it bitter. Up to you. I strain twice. Some will put a cinny stick in the bottle with the product. Endless ways to do it.
 
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Let me just say this. I don't have time now to debate the ingredients or quantities, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you boil your mixture after you add the firewater.

You want to blend all the ingredients, honey, citrus and spices and simmer at very low boil for as long as needed/desired. Then strain out all the pulp, seeds and what not and add the liquor to the hot liquid.

Otherwise, in addition to being a severe fire hazard with high proof hooch in proximity to heat and open flames, you will evaporate off the alcohol, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

The ingredients listed above, I think those recipes suck. The Philadelphia Inquirer knows as much about Boilo as I do about Chinese arithmetic.

Try this:

www.coalregion.com

Is it worth the trouble? Are you kidding me? Is the Pope Catholic?
Read coalregion,com version of Boilo recipe and it is not even close to what is really made in the coal region.
Never heard of adding nutmeg, anise, cloves or raisins. Although there are some variations these spices make it too flowery. There is a packaged product on the market to make boilo, it is terrible. The recipe below has been in my family for over 100 years I find it to be the best.
Made a batch last weekend. It's about keeping the tradition going, plus it is pretty damn good. Good for a cold too. You'll be loaded with vitamin C. Makes the house smell nice when you're cooking it too. Every boilo cook has their own twist on it. It's kinda hard to mess up. Some are better than others but it's all a matter of taste. If anybody cares, here's how I do it.

Approx 1L ginger ale
4 oranges
4 lemons
1 tsp caraway seeds
12 oz honey
4-5 cinnamon sticks
750ml Four Queens whiskey (any cheap whiskey will do)
1/2 750ml cheap vodka. Some will use grain, whatever.

Zest some of the fruit and put about a tablespoon of zest in a large pot. Peel, quarter, and squeeze the rest of the fruit into pot. Add all other ingredients except alcohol. Boil on stovetop for 6-8 minutes. Stir constantly. Cover and allow to cool a bit. Add booze and stir. Strain and bottle. Yield approx 2 1/2 750ml bottles. Some people cut up the fruit and use peel and all. I find that can make it bitter. Up to you. I strain twice. Some will put a cinny stick in the bottle with the product. Endless ways to do it.

Agree with Victory Bell's base recipe, but the directions differ. In reviewing some of the recipes put on the board. I never heard of adding raisins, cloves, anise, etc. makes it too flowery. The following is are the directions my family used for over 100 years.
Cut oranges and lemons into wedges (4-6 wedges)
Place Ginger ale, honey orange/lemon, cinnamon sticks and caraway seeds into a 5 quart sauce pot.
Cover and bring to a boil using medium heat. Stir frequently to avoid boiling over.
Once mixture begins to boil, remove from heat. Let stand until temperature drops below 160 degrees. Once temperature has lowered, add whiskey.
Return to heat on low, cover and simmer for 15 minutes. Do not let temp rise above 160 on reheat.
Remove from heat, keep covered. When temp is below 140 degrees, strain (using cheese cloth, and a fine strainer into another vessel to remove solids.
Place in glass containers. Make approx. 2 quarts.
Serve warm by reheating in microwave for about 15 sec. You can drink cold or added to tea or coffee for medicinal purposes.
The is a package product for sale to make boilo; it is terrible. I don't recommend it.
 
Never heard of it until I lived in Hazleton a couple of years (just down the road from Jim Thorpe). Never had it though.

so did you live down the road from Thorpe or down the road the Hazelton. Or in Hazelton (sorry if ya did) because would be up the road from and over the Mtn from Thorpe how many speeding tickets in Beaver Meadows
 
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Let me just say this. I don't have time now to debate the ingredients or quantities, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you boil your mixture after you add the firewater.

You want to blend all the ingredients, honey, citrus and spices and simmer at very low boil for as long as needed/desired. Then strain out all the pulp, seeds and what not and add the liquor to the hot liquid.

Otherwise, in addition to being a severe fire hazard with high proof hooch in proximity to heat and open flames, you will evaporate off the alcohol, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

The ingredients listed above, I think those recipes suck. The Philadelphia Inquirer knows as much about Boilo as I do about Chinese arithmetic.

Try this:

www.coalregion.com

Is it worth the trouble? Are you kidding me? Is the Pope Catholic?

Awe the recipe on webpage owned by skooks .... I use nutmeg no raisens.

Every recipe is different the good ones have it down to an art. Some prefer the shine cut at 110 ...

Been tuned up already 3 times this December

As for the inqy they could suck it
 
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Read coalregion,com version of Boilo recipe and it is not even close to what is really made in the coal region.
Never heard of adding nutmeg, anise, cloves or raisins. Although there are some variations these spices make it too flowery. There is a packaged product on the market to make boilo, it is terrible. The recipe below has been in my family for over 100 years I find it to be the best.


Agree with Victory Bell's base recipe, but the directions differ. In reviewing some of the recipes put on the board. I never heard of adding raisins, cloves, anise, etc. makes it too flowery. The following is are the directions my family used for over 100 years.
Cut oranges and lemons into wedges (4-6 wedges)
Place Ginger ale, honey orange/lemon, cinnamon sticks and caraway seeds into a 5 quart sauce pot.
Cover and bring to a boil using medium heat. Stir frequently to avoid boiling over.
Once mixture begins to boil, remove from heat. Let stand until temperature drops below 160 degrees. Once temperature has lowered, add whiskey.
Return to heat on low, cover and simmer for 15 minutes. Do not let temp rise above 160 on reheat.
Remove from heat, keep covered. When temp is below 140 degrees, strain (using cheese cloth, and a fine strainer into another vessel to remove solids.
Place in glass containers. Make approx. 2 quarts.
Serve warm by reheating in microwave for about 15 sec. You can drink cold or added to tea or coffee for medicinal purposes.
The is a package product for sale to make boilo; it is terrible. I don't recommend it.
The people who created www.coalregion.com were my high school classmates - two brothers from Shenandoah and two sisters from Ashland, so I had to give them a plug.

I don't make it that way either, although I DO use raisins and Maraschino cherries. No cloves or anise. I use more honey than some. The ginger ale is strictly for volume, all the fizz goes out during the cooking. Mine is high test, to get a feel for the old days when the miners used moonshine - I use a fifth of Four Queens and a fifth of 100-proof vodka.

'Tis all a matter of individual taste. My dad's is very lemony with less orange.

It's hard to go wrong, especially since you just drink your mistakes. The absolute essential is the caraway seeds to give it the hint of sour.
 
I'm surprised by the attacks on the Inquirer. Dr. Evel indicated that, "The Inqy article was reprinted from elsewhere (presumably a NE PA paper, but I would have to go back to look), and talked more about the tradition in NE PA."

The Inquirer article was actually a reprint of an article from the Shamokin News-Item. And as Dr. Evel indicated, it deals mostly with the history of boilo. It doesn't give a specific recipe in the article, just some overall concepts of how to make it. It ends with talking about the annual boilo-making competition held at the Mount Carmel Eagles club.

It appears that the Inquirer article is behind their paywall. I wasn't able to find it on the News-Item's web site.

Edit: I should add that the article contains an interesting section:

"Ed Stellar said he had his first taste of boilo while tailgating at a Penn State football game. The tailgaters regularly had apple pie boilo heating in the stove, Stellar recalled.

"Those cold November games, it absolutely hit the spot," he added."
 
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I'm surprised by the attacks on the Inquirer. Dr. Evel indicated that, "The Inqy article was reprinted from elsewhere (presumably a NE PA paper, but I would have to go back to look), and talked more about the tradition in NE PA."

The Inquirer article was actually a reprint of an article from the Shamokin News-Item. And as Dr. Evel indicated, it deals mostly with the history of boilo. It doesn't give a specific recipe in the article, just some overall concepts of how to make it. It ends with talking about the annual boilo-making competition held at the Mount Carmel Eagles club.

It appears that the Inquirer article is behind their paywall. I wasn't able to find it on the News-Item's web site.

Thanks, Tom. Not sure why the hostility to the Inquirer, either, at least not without having read the article. As previously noted, I thought it was pretty reverential of the tradition. Said article is provided forthwith:

Oh Boi-lo! Holiday beverage source of cheer and warmth

by SARAH DESANTIS, The News-Item, The Associated Press


MOUNT CARMEL, Pa. (AP) - 'Tis the season for a hot beverage that warms from the inside out.

For many residents of the coal region, that means it's time to heat up a batch of boilo.

The sweet citrus drink has remained a popular beverage for cold winter days, even as other traditions from coal region's eastern European immigrants have faded.

Boilo's roots are in Lithuania, where a spiced honey liqueur called Krupnikas has long been a holiday favorite. When Lithuanian immigrants made their way to coal region, they attempted to replicate the drink, substituting traditional ingredients with those more readily available.

Gregory Sacavage, an advocate for maintaining Lithuanian culture in Mount Carmel, said he makes the yuletide drink each year using a recipe passed down through generations of his family.

Sacavages's grandfather was a Lithuania coal miner, he said, and his earliest memory of boilo is from when he was just five or six years old. In those days, his family would attend Mass at Holy Cross Church on New Year's Day, then go to the Lithuanian Club on Oak Street. He recalled the club president walking around with a warm heated pitcher of boilo and giving everyone a small taste - even the children.

"When I was out of high school, college, I decided I wanted to make it," he said.

He learned the recipe from his uncle, and now teaches it to anyone in the Mount Carmel area who expresses interest in learning the art of boilo.

"It's a labor of love," Sacavage forewarns, adding that the name "boilo" comes from a boiling process that melds together the fruit flavors with a variety of spices.

Boilo takes about an hour and a half to two hours to finish. The process begins with juicing oranges and lemons, then adding whole spices like cinnamon and caraway seeds. These ingredients are mixed, brought to a boil and simmered. The mixture is then painstakingly strained - Sacavage said the clearer the liquid, the better the boilo.

Honey and a grain alcohol are added, then the boilo can be bottled and stored. Though some boilo-makers give preference to certain alcohols, like Four Queens Whiskey, Everclear or moonshine, Sacavage is more flexible.

"There's really no bad boilo," he said.

Shortly before drinking, the boilo is heated up. Sacavage also suggests adding boilo to other drinks, like tea, to dilute it and create a tasty beverage.

"It's pretty strong," he said. "You just gotta watch and drink it in moderation."

Ed Stellar said he had his first taste of boilo while tailgating at a Penn State football game. The tailgate's regularly had apple pie boilo heating on the stove, Stellar recalled.

"Those cold November games, it absolutely hit the spot," he said.

Stellar said his wife's grandmother, Alma, believed boilo would cure anything. Even in old age, Alma could detect when a neighbor would arrive at the home bearing the gift of boilo, Stellar said.

"When she spotted it and smelled it, she'd say, ' I'll take some of that,'" he said.

Sacavage said he regularly gives bottles of boilo away as gifts, and he is always flattered when he receives the bottles back because it means the recipient would like more.

Recently, Sacavage, Stellar, Stellar's son, Jayson Stellar, and Stellar's cousin, Eric Giorgini, practiced preparing boilo in the rear of Hollywood Pizza, Mount Carmel, in anticipation of an annual boilo-making competition held by the Mount Carmel Eagles. Sacavage said people have traveled from as far away as Harrisburg to compete.
 
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My family are Lithuanians from Shenandoah, the epicenter of Boilo. Is it the greatest cocktail you've ever had? Probably not, but it's darn good. Spicey, citrusy, sweet, sour and boozy. It's as much of a staple of a coal region Christmas as kielbasa, pierogies and showing up blasted to midnight mass.
 
The best boilo advice is to make it in an electric slow cooker/crockpot.

Everybody has their own recipe. Just grab one and run with it.
 
I'm surprised by the attacks on the Inquirer. Dr. Evel indicated that, "The Inqy article was reprinted from elsewhere (presumably a NE PA paper, but I would have to go back to look), and talked more about the tradition in NE PA."

The Inquirer article was actually a reprint of an article from the Shamokin News-Item. And as Dr. Evel indicated, it deals mostly with the history of boilo. It doesn't give a specific recipe in the article, just some overall concepts of how to make it. It ends with talking about the annual boilo-making competition held at the Mount Carmel Eagles club.

It appears that the Inquirer article is behind their paywall. I wasn't able to find it on the News-Item's web site.

Edit: I should add that the article contains an interesting section:

"Ed Stellar said he had his first taste of boilo while tailgating at a Penn State football game. The tailgaters regularly had apple pie boilo heating in the stove, Stellar recalled.

"Those cold November games, it absolutely hit the spot," he added."

Screw the inqy...

Screw those ho-buts muda F'ers in shamokin and MT. Carmel

Screw Apple pie shit

If ain't from Shendo 462 da f#ck it is swill

Even mahanoy people marry people from Shendo to get good boilo
 
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My family are Lithuanians from Shenandoah, the epicenter of Boilo. Is it the greatest cocktail you've ever had? Probably not, but it's darn good. Spicey, citrusy, sweet, sour and boozy. It's as much of a staple of a coal region Christmas as kielbasa, pierogies and showing up blasted to midnight mass.

This guys knows it! But yes it's the greatest.
 
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The fun is doling it out to lightweights who love it, think it's great and then get absolutely shitfaced on the stuff. I don't have a drop of Lithuanian blood but had many friends who did back in the Boilo Belt of the Lower Anthracite. They all make better boilo than I can. I suspect they are withholding information, as is their birthright.
 
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My family are Lithuanians from Shenandoah, the epicenter of Boilo. Is it the greatest cocktail you've ever had? Probably not, but it's darn good. Spicey, citrusy, sweet, sour and boozy. It's as much of a staple of a coal region Christmas as kielbasa, pierogies and showing up blasted to midnight mass.


I've been in that situation before (at the end of your sentence). Usually induced from Slivovitz at our Christmas Eve 'Vilia/ Wigilia'.
 
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I've been in that situation before (at the end of your sentence). Usually induced from Slivovitz at our Christmas Eve 'Vilia/ Wigilia'.
One of my buddies from Shenandoah is Slovak. The Christmas after his dad passed away I bought him a bottle of slivovitz. Naturally we had to give it the old taste test, so we raised a few glasses in tribute to the old man - Yoi Jesu is that stuff potent or what.
 
One of my buddies from Shenandoah is Slovak. The Christmas after his dad passed away I bought him a bottle of slivovitz. Naturally we had to give it the old taste test, so we raised a few glasses in tribute to the old man - Yoi Jesu is that stuff potent or what.

unbelievably potent!
 
Never heard of this till today. When I read your post I figured Slivovitz was some old guy up the street. Reading up on it now.

Bram Stoker even mentions it in 'Dracula'. Here in the US, you can usually get Navip (Serbia), Maraska (Croatia), or Jelinek (CZ Republic) . We've had relatives bring back some of the clear Slovak stuff. I think the Serb and Czech stuff is usually 100 proof, and the Croatian stuff is usually 80.
 
so did you live down the road from Thorpe or down the road the Hazelton. Or in Hazelton (sorry if ya did) because would be up the road from and over the Mtn from Thorpe how many speeding tickets in Beaver Meadows
Okay. You could say Hazleton is up the road from Jim Thorpe. I lived in the “heights” a short mountain bike away from Treskow. My younger daughter was baptized at St. Peter and Paul church in Beaver Meadows. Interestingly, my older daughter was baptized at St. Peter and Paul Church in Warren, Ohio.
 
Bram Stoker even mentions it in 'Dracula'. Here in the US, you can usually get Navip (Serbia), Maraska (Croatia), or Jelinek (CZ Republic) . We've had relatives bring back some of the clear Slovak stuff. I think the Serb and Czech stuff is usually 100 proof, and the Croatian stuff is usually 80.
I'm sure you just rent the stuff every Christmas Eve, as it usually ends up back in the toilet, while hugging the porcelain. Slivovitz makes Everclear taste like Schnappes.

Ahh, NEPA Christmas memories...brings a tear to one's eye.
 
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Okay. You could say Hazleton is up the road from Jim Thorpe. I lived in the “heights” a short mountain bike away from Treskow. My younger daughter was baptized at St. Peter and Paul church in Beaver Meadows. Interestingly, my older daughter was baptized at St. Peter and Paul Church in Warren, Ohio.

A shout out to Tresckow...very nice!
 
Being a combination of both Swedish and Danish our family drink at Christmas was Glogg. It is somewhat similar to Boilo but not nearly as potent since Glogg uses wine and brandy.
Its a holiday drink for cold winter days, served warm with lots of flavor. Like Boilo every family sort of has its own recipe. Lots of ways to make it.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/56628/swedish-glogg/
 
Being a combination of both Swedish and Danish our family drink at Christmas was Glogg. It is somewhat similar to Boilo but not nearly as potent since Glogg uses wine and brandy.
Its a holiday drink for cold winter days, served warm with lots of flavor. Like Boilo every family sort of has its own recipe. Lots of ways to make it.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/56628/swedish-glogg/

I've had it. Neighbor makes it and had it at a party one time. Good stuff!
 
Let me just say this. I don't have time now to debate the ingredients or quantities, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you boil your mixture after you add the firewater.

You want to blend all the ingredients, honey, citrus and spices and simmer at very low boil for as long as needed/desired. Then strain out all the pulp, seeds and what not and add the liquor to the hot liquid.

Otherwise, in addition to being a severe fire hazard with high proof hooch in proximity to heat and open flames, you will evaporate off the alcohol, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

The ingredients listed above, I think those recipes suck. The Philadelphia Inquirer knows as much about Boilo as I do about Chinese arithmetic.

Try this:

www.coalregion.com

Is it worth the trouble? Are you kidding me? Is the Pope Catholic?

^^ Someone who paid attention in 10th grade chemistry^^
 
Some great stories and recipes here.

For those of you that want to try some good boilo but are not as ambitious as some of these recipes call for, you might want to try Boilo.net. If you go to that site you will see that they sell prepackaged boilo where you simply have to add Four Queens to the mix and you are good to go. They will ship anywhere. Actually, the guy that runs the place is a PSU alum. As a person born and raised in NEPA I've had a lot of boilo, this stuff is pretty good.

One cautionary note, I haven't checked the site out for maybe 2 yrs or so, I am assuming they are still in business.
 
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