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We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.
 
We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.

We haven’t lost a cheap game since 2021. That step has been long since taken.

Yesterday might be the cheapest loss in the last 3 years actually, not counting the opt out fest peach bowl. I think Oregon and those michigan osu teams are all better than this notre dame team.
 
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We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.
Nice post Ram. I pretty much agree with all you said.
 
Nice post Ram. I pretty much agree with all you said.
He could have made that same post most years since 2019.

But at least then we had one or more serviceable WRs.

I’d say we are in about the same position as we’re were 5 years ago.

We are better in one regard, one year closer to Franklin being out of here.

Hopefully Florida will make their play and move up the time table. He’s got his plunder - time to go.

Then Krafty can earn his pay.
 
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He could have made that same post most years since 2019.

But at least then we had one or more serviceable WRs.

I’d say we are in about the same position as we’re were 5 years ago.

We are better in one regard, one year closer to Franklin being out of here.

Hopefully Florida will make their play and move up the time table. He’s got his plunder - time to go.

Then Krafty can earn his pay.
Man, you're certainly entitled to this opinion and I've shared it at times, but Franklin and the team seem like they overperformed this year mostly.
 
Man, you're certainly entitled to this opinion and I've shared it at times, but Franklin and the team seem like they overperformed this year mostly.

Because there were no blowouts?

If this was overperforming, what would "performing" have looked like? 9-3 and the reliaquest bowl?
 
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Yes, it was a good year for the nits and I so appreciate following the team even if it's so frustrating at times because rarely are they humming on all cylinders. Alot of talent is expected to return but now we have to brace for the departs to the NFL and portal. I expect one of the RBs to remain and hope DDS and KK stay as they could really be great in 2025. The pieces are there for another run if they can weather the departures.
 
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We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.
Largely agree. Our O-line improvement will make us competitive for several years to come. There development and depth are substantial. The kicker is solid, if not good…and that’s an improvement.— It would be awesome to have Nick and Kaytron back. They , along with a top 10 O-line, would resemble last years bulldozer Michigan team….I think Nick may leave, however. — Our much maligned WR’s have clearly improved . They were at least adequate to good most of the season…they need to be consistently very good next year. —Allar made significant improvements from last year….he needs to continue, if he wants to be great. His consistency, form/delivery and decision making need to improve. But, overall, a really good year for him. —We are polluted with elite TE’s, and we should utilize them next year. We could have as many as 4 on the field, and be an absolute nightmare package. —Need to reload at defense, and Hope Winston stays. Should be good again, but need to be great.
 
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It's not that they lost a "big game" last night they pisses me off. It's HOW AND WHY they lost that pisses me off. They had ONE JOB to do in the office season that EVERYONE talked about all spring: blow up the cancerous receivers room, replace the incompetent coach, and fill the needs in the portal. They did absolutely jack shit. They brought back the incompetent coach, brought back everything but the head case KLS and the two division one backup level wrs, and brought nothing in, other than a shot out receiver that Ohio State discarded, and brought him in to be a glorified blocker.

As it turned out, the glorified blocker was the only positive thing that room brought, as it fielded perhaps the worst P4 wr room in all of football, but the glorified blocker made a couple circus catches to save the season. There was absolutely, positively, no excuse for the staff to fail at every level in the area which had BEEN IDENTIFIED as the only factor that would hold it back from perhaps a great season.

Instead, they had perhaps a miracle season in that they somehow made it to the college football playoff semi final with one of the worst wide receiver rooms and coaches in country.

What hurts the most is that if they would have done what everyone said they needed to do, this team is playing Ohio State on the 20th for a national championship game that is a toss up.

Instead we sit home and now the narrative of a coach that can't win big games, is a mountain that will never be climbed. The book is closed.

We are, basically, Georgia/ Richt, Clemson/pre Dabo, ND/Kelly, Oklahoma/Stoops, and folks, it's not going to get better
 
Man, you're certainly entitled to this opinion and I've shared it at times, but Franklin and the team seem like they overperformed this year mostly.
And you are too. Just curious, what games would those have been? Bowling Green? Minnesota? Notre Dame? Oregon?
 
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It's not that they lost a "big game" last night they pisses me off. It's HOW AND WHY they lost that pisses me off. They had ONE JOB to do in the office season that EVERYONE talked about all spring: blow up the cancerous receivers room, replace the incompetent coach, and fill the needs in the portal. They did absolutely jack shit. They brought back the incompetent coach, brought back everything but the head case KLS and the two division one backup level wrs, and brought nothing in, other than a shot out receiver that Ohio State discarded, and brought him in to be a glorified blocker.

As it turned out, the glorified blocker was the only positive thing that room brought, as it fielded perhaps the worst P4 wr room in all of football, but the glorified blocker made a couple circus catches to save the season. There was absolutely, positively, no excuse for the staff to fail at every level in the area which had BEEN IDENTIFIED as the only factor that would hold it back from perhaps a great season.

Instead, they had perhaps a miracle season in that they somehow made it to the college football playoff semi final with one of the worst wide receiver rooms and coaches in country.

What hurts the most is that if they would have done what everyone said they needed to do, this team is playing Ohio State on the 20th for a national championship game that is a toss up.

Instead we sit home and now the narrative of a coach that can't win big games, is a mountain that will never be climbed. The book is closed.

We are, basically, Georgia/ Richt, Clemson/pre Dabo, ND/Kelly, Oklahoma/Stoops, and folks, it's not going to get better
Bingo…and it’s no narrative. It is a fact with 10+ season of examples.
 
And you are too. Just curious, what games would those have been? Bowling Green? Minnesota? Notre Dame? Oregon?
I'm not interested in a pissing match to be honest, but watching our O line maul Oregon and Notre Dame seems like a major improvement to me.
 
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We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.
We did get better and I'm fairly pleased though disappointed about the Orange Bowl. Some of my PS friends are really hurting today. But all things pass.
 
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I am happy for what the team did this year! Did it end the way any PSU fan wanted?? Hell, no!
The team was missing ONE stud WR from being a national champion. I expect PSU to be in the same position next year.

Let’s have a great off season and come back even better!
 
We did get better and I'm fairly pleased though disappointed about the Orange Bowl. Some of my PS friends are really hurting today. But all things pass.
You will no longer hurt when you get your mind right. I hope to win but expect to lose under Franklin. At the end of the day I don’t get that bothered anymore. I’ve been conditioned to lose big games.
 
It's not that they lost a "big game" last night they pisses me off. It's HOW AND WHY they lost that pisses me off. They had ONE JOB to do in the office season that EVERYONE talked about all spring: blow up the cancerous receivers room, replace the incompetent coach, and fill the needs in the portal. They did absolutely jack shit. They brought back the incompetent coach, brought back everything but the head case KLS and the two division one backup level wrs, and brought nothing in, other than a shot out receiver that Ohio State discarded, and brought him in to be a glorified blocker.

As it turned out, the glorified blocker was the only positive thing that room brought, as it fielded perhaps the worst P4 wr room in all of football, but the glorified blocker made a couple circus catches to save the season. There was absolutely, positively, no excuse for the staff to fail at every level in the area which had BEEN IDENTIFIED as the only factor that would hold it back from perhaps a great season.

Instead, they had perhaps a miracle season in that they somehow made it to the college football playoff semi final with one of the worst wide receiver rooms and coaches in country.

What hurts the most is that if they would have done what everyone said they needed to do, this team is playing Ohio State on the 20th for a national championship game that is a toss up.

Instead we sit home and now the narrative of a coach that can't win big games, is a mountain that will never be climbed. The book is closed.

We are, basically, Georgia/ Richt, Clemson/pre Dabo, ND/Kelly, Oklahoma/Stoops, and folks, it's not going to get better
We may have won last night with KLS.
 
Funny how exceeding expectations just raise expectations.

Preseason talk all summer here was ‘We might finally make the playoffs!’ because of the expansion.

Mid season the talk was still about making the playoffs…..would a two loss get us in? Is even a three loss playoff team possible ?

Then we shock everyone and get into the CCG against the #1 team in the country. True underdogs.

But play well with a good shot of winning. Raised hopes and expectations again.

Get in playoffs with a sweet bracket. Then we raise expectations to where we have to win not just one playoff game but two to break the Big Game James myth. We do that with relative ease.

So now the expectations were we have to win and get in title game. Anything short means the season was a disappointment and FIRE EVERYBODY!!! Is the mantra.

It is what it is🤷🏿‍♂️
 
Funny how exceeding expectations just raise expectations.

Preseason talk all summer here was ‘We might finally make the playoffs!’ because of the expansion.

Mid season the talk was still about making the playoffs…..would a two loss get us in? Is even a three loss playoff team possible ?

Then we shock everyone and get into the CCG against the #1 team in the country. True underdogs.

But play well with a good shot of winning. Raised hopes and expectations again.

Get in playoffs with a sweet bracket. Then we raise expectations to where we have to win not just one playoff game but two to break the Big Game James myth. We do that with relative ease.

So now the expectations were we have to win and get in title game. Anything short means the season was a disappointment and FIRE EVERYBODY!!! Is the mantra.

It is what it is🤷🏿‍♂️
This big time. I'm a jets fan, playing meaningful football in January is always awesome.
 
Funny how exceeding expectations just raise expectations.

Preseason talk all summer here was ‘We might finally make the playoffs!’ because of the expansion.

Mid season the talk was still about making the playoffs…..would a two loss get us in? Is even a three loss playoff team possible ?

Then we shock everyone and get into the CCG against the #1 team in the country. True underdogs.

But play well with a good shot of winning. Raised hopes and expectations again.

Get in playoffs with a sweet bracket. Then we raise expectations to where we have to win not just one playoff game but two to break the Big Game James myth. We do that with relative ease.

So now the expectations were we have to win and get in title game. Anything short means the season was a disappointment and FIRE EVERYBODY!!! Is the mantra.

It is what it is🤷🏿‍♂️
Actually this is an excellent take. Right on man
 
Don’t sound so surprised that I am capable of excellence!🧐
I am having trouble accepting that 99 percent of us with the exception of some idiot (no bare feet), are all in agreement that Hagans needs to go and that room needs blown up. Usually we are all in here at each other's throats but I guess it took this ridiculous absurd zero wr catch game to all agree on something. Christ even Loado is agreeing 😂
 
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I mean holy Lord in heaven, this is the thread that has Marbles and Knox in agreement which quite frankly has me concerned about the apocalypse 😂
 
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I am having trouble accepting that 99 percent of us with the exception of some idiot (no bare feet), are all in agreement that Hagans needs to go and that room needs blown up. Usually we are all in here at each other's throats but I guess it took this ridiculous absurd zero wr catch game to all agree on something. Christ even Loado is agreeing 😂
So now my ego got carried away and I started a new thread with it! 😻
 
PSU is so close.

In the last three yrs they’ve lost 8 games, 7 to top 4 teams. The 8th game was vs Ole Miss and PSU had a watered down lineup. This yr vs. 1, 3, and 4 by a total of 19 pts… and each game could have been won.

Let’s see what happens over the next five days. I have them at 109 players and the limit is 105. And they are still recruiting transfers.

Looking forward to 2025 already.
 
This yr vs. 1, 3, and 4 by a total of 19 pts… and each game could have been won.
could have been won and weren’t, which has been every single game like this since 2016… there have been many that could have been won. None were. Over and over again.

They were so close with back to back 1 point loses to osu in 2017 and 2018. Right there. This team isn’t any closer than it was then, the playoff is just 3x the size.

We’re stuck in 5th gear and desperately need to find 6th.
 
I'm not interested in a pissing match to be honest, but watching our O line maul Oregon and Notre Dame seems like a major improvement to me.
Over performing in losses? Yes Oline played much better. But what about the big picture? And when will this translate into actual victories? Franklin Year 20? 30?
 
could have been won and weren’t, which has been every single game like this since 2016… there have been many that could have been won. None were. Over and over again.

They were so close with back to back 1 point loses to osu in 2017 and 2018. Right there. This team isn’t any closer than it was then, the playoff is just 3x the size.

We’re stuck in 5th gear and desperately need to find 6th.
Exactly…if we could have won a few of them, maybe you could see some progress.

In this era of football, how often can we get away with nothing from WRs?…could easily regress.

Maybe just schedule SMU will help.
 
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You will no longer hurt when you get your mind right. I hope to win but expect to lose under Franklin. At the end of the day I don’t get that bothered anymore. I’ve been conditioned to lose big games.
I personally was over the loss an hour after the game and have moved on to recruiting and waiting for Spring Practice. Franklin wasn't the issue in that game. They simply couldn't get it done.

People can pick their reasons why but there are 11 players on the field on O at times all where the blame. Our WO situation is just deplorable.

My last comments on the game, while Allar at times couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and has not yet learned when and how to throw the ball away when the pocket is collapsing around him. There were moments when he could have run for good yardage but tried to hold onto the ball to long then running around too late attempting to make something out of nothing.

It was one of the worst games I've seen Allar play. I think it was good that we got as far in the playoffs as we did.

Now it's back to recruiting and getting ready for spring. Hope springs eternal and it can't get here soon enough.
 
We did get better and I'm fairly pleased though disappointed about the Orange Bowl. Some of my PS friends are really hurting today. But all things pass.
I had some alum buddies go to the game with their kids and spouses. Total group was 20 people and none live in Florida so flights, hotels, ground transport and meals all had to be covered.

My closest friends in the group, whom I shared season tickets with for 7 years, splurged for 50 yard line seats. Lotsa texts, pix and communication throughout the game. I have not heard from them, nor reached out, since Allar's goof up.

Money is less of an issue for then than it is me. They knew not to even ask if I was interested, but to drop that type of coin to witness that ending is much more painful than it was for me by my fire with my hounds.
 
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It just goes to show that it’s extremely tough to win a championship, and many teams would love the opportunity to be in our position.
 
I personally was over the loss an hour after the game and have moved on to recruiting and waiting for Spring Practice. Franklin wasn't the issue in that game. They simply couldn't get it done.

People can pick their reasons why but there are 11 players on the field on O at times all where the blame. Our WO situation is just deplorable.

My last comments on the game, while Allar at times couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and has not yet learned when and how to throw the ball away when the pocket is collapsing around him. There were moments when he could have run for good yardage but tried to hold onto the ball to long then running around too late attempting to make something out of nothing.

It was one of the worst games I've seen Allar play. I think it was good that we got as far in the playoffs as we did.

Now it's back to recruiting and getting ready for spring. Hope springs eternal and it can't get here soon enough.
WR coaching and game planning is terrible under Franklin. WRs not getting a single catch has more to do than just ability. Franklin is responsible for getting them in position that includes everything from recruiting, practice, game planning and play calling. Let’s not forget a QB the never looks their way.
 
It just goes to show that it’s extremely tough to win a championship, and many teams would love the opportunity to be in our position.
In the times of 12 playoff your gonna find more teams playing a soft schedule to avoid losses. PSU did that this year, just like Boise and SMU. Credit for making the 12 team playoff means nothing if you can’t beat an above average team.
 
WR coaching and game planning is terrible under Franklin. WRs not getting a single catch has more to do than just ability. Franklin is responsible for getting them in position that includes everything from recruiting, practice, game planning and play calling. Let’s not forget a QB the never looks their way.
Well, you're wrong. Franklin is not out there running bad routes and dropping balls. We simply do not have the players. A great O coordinator in his time once said, "It's not about the X's and O's it's about the Jimmys and the Joes". That fact is way truer than people want to make it because they have an agenda against a coach.

You better just get use to Franklin because this university will never get rid of him. The way they see it he has done a phenomenal job across the board. So I think people with your take on the situation are going to get very tired. There is a reason they gave him the contract they did.
 
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I am having trouble accepting that 99 percent of us with the exception of some idiot (no bare feet), are all in agreement that Hagans needs to go and that room needs blown up. Usually we are all in here at each other's throats but I guess it took this ridiculous absurd zero wr catch game to all agree on something. Christ even Loado is agreeing 😂
I'm not going to comment on Hagens coaching but his guys are not on the field. He took over coaching in 24. The majority of what you see is Stubblefield guys. He got fired for a reason. Turnover at a position coach is never good. Let's see what some of his talent brings then make a judgement. Brown, Gonzalez, Denmark and this years class on 25. Just sayin
 
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I'm not going to comment on Hagens coaching but his guys are not on the field. He took over coaching in 24. The majority of what you see is Stubblefield guys. He got fired for a reason. Turnover at a position coach is never good. Let's see what some of his talent brings then make a judgement. Brown, Gonzalez, Denmark and this years class on 25. Just sayin
IIRC, he was hired pretty late after recruiting for his first year was done. So his impact was getting the kid from Kent State …..,who was considered to top receiver in the portal field.

The kid didn’t meet expectations. Happens a lot. AFAIK, he didn’t succeed after transferring so it wasn’t Hagen’s fault.

Flemming didn’t meet expectations at 0 Hiya or here. He had injuries early on that may have had lasting impact 🤷🏻‍♀️

I doubt he gets replaced this year. Supposedly his recruits are pretty good so he will get one more year. But if next year looks like this one he will be gone.
 
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There are 17 WRs on the current roster including a talented incoming freshman class. At least five guys need to be encouraged to move on and I don’t need to name them but it’s obvious. Maybe add another to the roster although I’d still love to see Martin moved to WR because he needs to be on field especially if either Nick or KA return.
 
We probably weren't going to go from a team that never makes the playoffs to winning the entire thing, I was hoping for improvement this year, never thought this was a championship roster. I think there is a lot to be encouraged about, just a few off the top of my head:

  • The O-Line seems to really be rounding into form and played their best ball at the end of the season against the best teams.
  • Nick and Kaytron, pray they come back, got back into their freshman form, of course, a lot of that has to do with bullet one
  • Although still disappointing in the big game, I think Drew got better this year, he improved.
  • Considering we lost Winston and gave up yards through the year, I thought our defense was very solid mostly. Even our perceived weaknesses at LB improved as the year went on. I think Rojas was better 2nd half of the year.
  • We found a kicker that was mostly reliable, which was an improvement.
  • Even Franklin seemed a little sharper on game days, still can be a buffoon.
  • With Kraft, the new stadium upgrades, and maybe further commitments with NIL, we can keep building to a championship.
We played a lot of football, seems like it was years ago we played Oregon in the Big Ten Championship. Tons of experience gained. Stinks falling short this year, but I was mostly encouraged. Big step not loosing a cheap game on the schedule this year, something a lot of teams can't say including the vaunted SEC.

Lots of good points except the “Drew got better this year” comment.

Allar has regressed this season. Allar has all the physical tools but he has consistently made some monumental poor decisions or played horribly against teams with a pulse (Ohio State, Oregon, Notre Dame). Locking on targets, taking sacks instead of throwing the ball away, poor accuracy on basic throws are just a few examples where Allar has regressed. Allar plays like he is terrified when in big games.
 
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