Weight Changes Next year...

[21Guns]

Let's here everyones thoughts about who will move up, or down, next year?

I see the following: 133: Gulibon moving down to 133, NaTo moving up to 133.
141: No changes...maybe Taylor from Wisconsin or that guy from N Dakota State, very long, both of them.

149: Heil possibly moving up, only because he might not be able to hold 141...of course if he moves up he knows what is waiting for him, so that could very well force him to pull weight again next year.

157: Sorenson possibly moving up, although he also knows he is in a position where he's damned if he don't, damned if he does...

165: I cannot see Imar being able to hold 157 for one more year, just cannot see it.

174: Both Isaac and Bo Jordan are possibles here, due to Martin moving up next year to 184.

184: I also cannot see Martin being able to hold 174, he was immense at 174 to begin with as a freshman. Of course he knows Dean is waiting, so we might see another year of battles with Nickal v Martin...and Martin is very good, but he knows he got fortunate last night. This ain't Dake/Taylor, Martin lost the first three to Bo, and one of them wasn't close. Rasheed to 184 also to battle it out with Mouse for the spot, iron sharpens iron.

197: Dean ain't moving anywhere with that freak Cox waiting, and Cox isn't going anywhere with Snyder waiting. Sammy Brooks is a possible though, to head up here.

Hwt: Not sure who is heading up here, but one look at Cox and I have zero clue how that guy gets down to 197. MacIntosh's second round opponent though, that dude was a HOUSE, can't see him staying at 197.

 

[LemonPie]

Micah Jordan leaves 141, but Hayes, Kolodzik, and Prince enter. Gonna be tough for Gulibon or Cortez to AA at this weight.

 

[nitlion6]

Okie State kids, historically, move up rarely. Dieringer being a noted exception.
Plus, who in their right mind wants to go up to see if they can beat Retherford?

 

[Sullivan]

Let's here everyones thoughts about who will move up, or down, next year?

I see the following: 133: Gulibon moving down to 133.

I don't see this happening.

 

[ejb25]

Guilibon going to 133 doesn't align with El Jefe's plan of world domination, which we all love. We'll need Cortez to go at 133 after Guilibon graduates. I know you think Guilibon is undersized for 141, but Cortez maybe no better at 141.

El Jefe's plan of World Domination
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

 

[Real-Lion]

Micah Jordan leaves 141, but Hayes, Kolodzik, and Prince enter. Gonna be tough for Gulibon or Cortez to AA at this weight.

I think it's Cortez at 133 and Jimmy will stay at 141...I think he grows into the weight better for next season....The guy i want to see really hit the weights HARD is Nick Nivells...He has the skill set but needs to get a lot stronger. If he can transform his body in the weight room he can be right there with Snyder !!!!Very light on his feet and has a great shot when set up is good....

 

[nitlion6]

I do not know if we see Jimmy back at 133 or not. The first year wrestling 133 he struggled to manage his weight. He did much better his soph year, but still.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Not sure why so many people just assume Jimmy moves back down now that Conaway is gone. When Jimmy was at 133 he spent a good part of it trying to maintain that weight and cut properly. Cael even said this much several times throughout that time. Now that he's gone up and wrestled there all year I just can't see him moving back down.

 

[LemonPie]

Guilibon going to 133 doesn't align with El Jefe's plan of world domination, which we all love. We'll need Cortez to go at 133 after Guilibon graduates. I know you think Guilibon is undersized for 141, but Cortez maybe no better at 141.

El Jefe's plan of World Domination
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

Dinmore in the lineup? Moss? Please, no.

Nick Lee

 

[El-Jefe]

Not sure why so many people just assume Jimmy moves back down now that Conaway is gone. When Jimmy was at 133 he spent a good part of it trying to maintain that weight and cut properly. Cael even said this much several times throughout that time. Now that he's gone up and wrestled there all year I just can't see him moving back down.

Because he's the team punching bag. When you're the team punching bag, rational thought goes out the window.

 

[mattu12]

Let's here everyones thoughts about who will move up, or down, next year?

I see the following: 133: Gulibon moving down to 133, NaTo moving up to 133.
141: No changes...maybe Taylor from Wisconsin or that guy from N Dakota State, very long, both of them.

149: Heil possibly moving up, only because he might not be able to hold 141...of course if he moves up he knows what is waiting for him, so that could very well force him to pull weight again next year.

157: Sorenson possibly moving up, although he also knows he is in a position where he's damned if he don't, damned if he does...

165: I cannot see Imar being able to hold 157 for one more year, just cannot see it.

174: Both Isaac and Bo Jordan are possibles here, due to Martin moving up next year to 184.

184: I also cannot see Martin being able to hold 174, he was immense at 174 to begin with as a freshman. Of course he knows Dean is waiting, so we might see another year of battles with Nickal v Martin...and Martin is very good, but he knows he got fortunate last night. This ain't Dake/Taylor, Martin lost the first three to Bo, and one of them wasn't close. Rasheed to 184 also to battle it out with Mouse for the spot, iron sharpens iron.

197: Dean ain't moving anywhere with that freak Cox waiting, and Cox isn't going anywhere with Snyder waiting. Sammy Brooks is a possible though, to head up here.

Hwt: Not sure who is heading up here, but one look at Cox and I have zero clue how that guy gets down to 197. MacIntosh's second round opponent though, that dude was a HOUSE, can't see him staying at 197.

Of the Iowa guys, Sorensen and Brooks looked like good fits in their current weight classes. Clark is the guy who looks oversized as a 133. If Kemerer can't make 141 (listed at 149 this year), Clark may as well move up and fill that hole. My guess is Gilman, ?, Clark, Kemerer/Sorensen, Kemerer/Sorensen. It does appear that they have 3 sure fire AA caliber guys, 1 with big potential, and one "player to be named later" for the 1-5 slots. Sure the Iowa guys can educate me where I'm off base.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Because he's the team punching bag. When you're the team punching bag, rational thought goes out the window.

Jimmy will be back at 141.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Not a weight change, but that Terao kid with a year under his belt is going to be a tough one at 125. No small thing to beat Dance and pin, Schramm and Peters. Only lost to Nico and a close one to Tomasello

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Guilibon going to 133 doesn't align with El Jefe's plan of world domination, which we all love. We'll need Cortez to go at 133 after Guilibon graduates. I know you think Guilibon is undersized for 141, but Cortez maybe no better at 141.

El Jefe's plan of World Domination
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

Dinmore won't see 141 again.

 

[caliPSUfan]

Not a weight change, but that Terao kid with a year under his belt is going to be a tough one at 125. No small thing to beat Dance and pin, Schramm and Peters. Only lost to Nico and a close one to Tomasello

Pretty sure he's a SR...

 

[caliPSUfan]

Yep, he's a senior...

David Terao
Weight: 125
Year: Senior
Hometown: Honolulu, Hawaii
High School: Mid-Pacific Institute

 

[Used2BEerie]

Terao was a senior, but he was fun to watch this year.

 

[Real-Lion]

Not sure why so many people just assume Jimmy moves back down now that Conaway is gone. When Jimmy was at 133 he spent a good part of it trying to maintain that weight and cut properly. Cael even said this much several times throughout that time. Now that he's gone up and wrestled there all year I just can't see him moving back down.

He is not moving down guys. Cael has said over and over 141 is not the problem. JIMMY CAN BEAT ANYONE HE WANTS AT 141 BUT JIMMY HAS TO BELIEVE IT...HE MUST STAY ON HIS OFFENSE FOR 7 MIN. CAEL HAS SAID THIS MANY MANY TIMES. IT'S ON JIMMY AND HE HAS TO GO OUT AND TAKE IT EVERY MATCH....BE CONSISTENT....

 

[21Guns]

Guilibon going to 133 doesn't align with El Jefe's plan of world domination, which we all love. We'll need Cortez to go at 133 after Guilibon graduates. I know you think Guilibon is undersized for 141, but Cortez maybe no better at 141.

El Jefe's plan of World Domination
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

Cortez is longer and taller than Jimmy and can put on the weight easier.

 

[Real-Lion]

Micah Jordan leaves 141, but Hayes, Kolodzik, and Prince enter. Gonna be tough for Gulibon or Cortez to AA at this weight.

Jimmy can beat any of those guys if he stays on his offense and finishes like he means it !!!! He does need to work on his scramble ability....He stops and that is mental !!!!

 

[21Guns]

He is not moving down guys. Cael has said over and over 141 is not the problem. JIMMY CAN BEAT ANYONE HE WANTS AT 141 BUT JIMMY HAS TO BELIEVE IT...HE MUST STAY ON HIS OFFENSE FOR 7 MIN. CAEL HAS SAID THIS MANY MANY TIMES. IT'S ON JIMMY AND HE HAS TO GO OUT AND TAKE IT EVERY MATCH....BE CONSISTENT....

The problem is that every single kid he wrestles is bigger and longer than him. And I don't have ANY direct quotes from Cael regarding Jimmy either staying, or going back down to, 133. Cael keeps everything under wraps until the last minute: He did not reveal his decision on Geno over Shakur until two weeks before B1G's, when he simply said "the weight pull is too hard for Cory", that is ALL he said.

I need proof in the forms of a Cael quote, sorry.

 

[21Guns]

The problem is that every single kid he wrestles is bigger and longer than him. And I don't have ANY direct quotes from Cael regarding Jimmy either staying, or going back down to, 133. Cael keeps everything under wraps until the last minute: He did not reveal his decision on Geno over Shakur until two weeks before B1G's, when he simply said "the weight pull is too hard for Cory", that is ALL he said.

I need proof in the forms of a Cael quote, sorry.

Notice I DID NOT say "Bigger and STRONGER", I said 'BIGGER AND LONGER".
THAT is the problem.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Cortez is longer and taller than Jimmy and can put on the weight easier.

I think Jimmy is already at the weight. I think Cortez is too. I'm just thinking it's easier for Cortez to cut down..

 

[21Guns]

So, we all agree Imar to 165?

 

[21Guns]

I think Jimmy is already at the weight. I think Cortez is too. I'm just thinking it's easier for Cortez to cut down..

Cortez is 3 inches taller than Jimmy. I think Cortez would be able to go up with 6 months to lift and gain. I also think Moss is a HELL of a lot better now, than he was 2 years ago. I think between them we'll be alright at 141. I agree with the above poster, Clark might be moving up, HR is torn between Turk and Carton over there, and neither of them would be what Clark would be at 141.

 

[21Guns]

Unless you are damn Gabe Dean, when you are out lengthed by everyone you face, it is extremely difficult to get on the podium.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Unless you are damn Gabe Dean, when you are out lengthed by everyone you face, it is extremely difficult to get on the podium.

Zain isn't exactly blessed with length..

 

[Sullivan]

Zain isn't exactly blessed with length..

Just a hunch, but I bet Zain would say otherwise

 

[johnstownsteel]

Just a hunch, by I bet Zain would say otherwise

Lmao. I stand corrected!!

 

[SRATH]

So, we all agree Imar to 165?

Imar is pretty stacked and packed at 157. I don't know how he goes to 165....or why. I see 165 clearing out a bit. Ringer gone...great competitor. I think the Jordan's days there are numbered.

I believe Nolf could handle the extra weight at 165 if need be. Especially if Manville could come in and help right away at 157. Putting on great weight allowed Zain to go from really good to another level from the rest of the field.

It will be fun to see how things evolve. There are certainly a ton of options. Heck, nobody thought Snyder would wrestle collegiately this year.....so sometimes plans change....even if goals don't. Kudo's to Ryan for managing the situation. He convinced two kids they could have it all......and he was right.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Guilibon going to 133 doesn't align with El Jefe's plan of world domination, which we all love. We'll need Cortez to go at 133 after Guilibon graduates. I know you think Guilibon is undersized for 141, but Cortez maybe no better at 141.

El Jefe's plan of World Domination
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

I don't think any plan for world domination has Moss or Dunmore in it.

Let's here everyones thoughts about who will move up, or down, next year?

I see the following: 133: Gulibon moving down to 133, NaTo moving up to 133.
141: No changes...maybe Taylor from Wisconsin or that guy from N Dakota State, very long, both of them.

149: Heil possibly moving up, only because he might not be able to hold 141...of course if he moves up he knows what is waiting for him, so that could very well force him to pull weight again next year.

157: Sorenson possibly moving up, although he also knows he is in a position where he's damned if he don't, damned if he does...

165: I cannot see Imar being able to hold 157 for one more year, just cannot see it.

174: Both Isaac and Bo Jordan are possibles here, due to Martin moving up next year to 184.

184: I also cannot see Martin being able to hold 174, he was immense at 174 to begin with as a freshman. Of course he knows Dean is waiting, so we might see another year of battles with Nickal v Martin...and Martin is very good, but he knows he got fortunate last night. This ain't Dake/Taylor, Martin lost the first three to Bo, and one of them wasn't close. Rasheed to 184 also to battle it out with Mouse for the spot, iron sharpens iron.

197: Dean ain't moving anywhere with that freak Cox waiting, and Cox isn't going anywhere with Snyder waiting. Sammy Brooks is a possible though, to head up here.

Hwt: Not sure who is heading up here, but one look at Cox and I have zero clue how that guy gets down to 197. MacIntosh's second round opponent though, that dude was a HOUSE, can't see him staying at 197.

I strongly suspect the primary reason guys move up is because the weight cut has become problematic. The competition at the higher weight class is probably a much less important factor.

 

[El-Jefe]

Cortez is longer and taller than Jimmy and can put on the weight easier.

When Spyker's logic beats yours, it's time to give up.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The problem is that every single kid he wrestles is bigger and longer than him. And I don't have ANY direct quotes from Cael regarding Jimmy either staying, or going back down to, 133. Cael keeps everything under wraps until the last minute: He did not reveal his decision on Geno over Shakur until two weeks before B1G's, when he simply said "the weight pull is too hard for Cory", that is ALL he said.

I need proof in the forms of a Cael quote, sorry.

I don't think strength was necessarily the problem - Jimmy seemed to struggle mightily against length, even when he started wrestling better at end of year, Ashnault being a good example. Jimmy was wrestling well at B1Gs until Ashnault who stopped him cold with his length and scrambling/funk ability. Jimmy's finish ratio on quality attacks was single digit at 141 - he simply was not a good scrambler at 41 and simply had no answer if he was up against a guy with length and good scrambler which suggests length was a major problem for him @41. But if he's really unable to maintain his weight @33 than there really isn't much to discuss but if he's having trouble maintaining weight @33 that would suggest his natural weight is significantly higher. Cortez appeared to be taller than Jimmy, so I'm not sure I buy that Jimmy can't wrestle 33 but Cortez can. But Cael will do what is best for all involved and I'm comfortable with that regardless of what it ultimately brings.

 

[21Guns]

"unless you have a problem maintaining the weight..."

Like Imar had no problems maintaining the weight? That guy struggled all year to pull down to 57

 

[RandyL]

I strongly suspect the primary reason guys move up is because the weight cut has become problematic. The competition at the higher weight class is probably a much less important factor.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this...with the caveat that when you are a NC or think you will be, the competition above you may be the deciding factor. I read lots of talk about IMar having so much trouble with weight... IF that is true, Dieringer's departure would make 165 look awful inviting.
I think IMar, both OSU Jordans and Martin all are up a weight next year.
Just looking at their physiques, I think both Nolf and Nickal can add some strength w/o going up.

 

[ejb25]

El Jefe's world domination's plan does.

I don't think any plan for world domination has Moss or Dunmore in it.




I strongly suspect the primary reason guys move up is because the weight cut has become problematic. The competition at the higher weight class is probably a much less important factor.

The world domination plan is for Suriano to go 125 for two years, then shirt before going 133 to succeed Cortez. Lee shirts as a true FR.

In lineup form:
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Moss/Dinmore; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Dinmore; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Dinmore

Not sure where Nick and Joe Lee project yet. Nick is a JR 132 (HS class of 2017). Guessing he shirts 2018, then competes for 141 in 2019 ... strictly a guess until we see if he drops to 126 for states this year, and what weight he goes next year.

Of course things could change if Suriano can't hold 125 that long, or Cortez can't hold 133 that long. And conceivably another superstar lightweight could come on board (Teasdale?).

 

[El-Jefe]

El Jefe's world domination's plan does.

It's also 8+ months old. Probably due for a revision in the summer.

 

[matter7172]

Now that the season is over, I wonder how much the ankle injury bothered Jimmy this year. If we accept the idea that confidence is the biggest issue with him, having a wheel that wasn't 100% could have weighed him down. I think we all can agree that the difference between winning and losing can be razor thin at this level and that injury could have had just enough effect on him to push him to the losing side. On the other hand, he wrestled just about everyone that AA'd at 141 and had only a few "bad" losses - maybe he is just a notch below the level of the other guys. Who knows? I'm hoping he bounces back with a healthy and successful fifth-year senior.

 

[21Guns]

Now that the season is over, I wonder how much the ankle injury bothered Jimmy this year. If we accept the idea that confidence is the biggest issue with him, having a wheel that wasn't 100% could have weighed him down. I think we all can agree that the difference between winning and losing can be razor thin at this level and that injury could have had just enough effect on him to push him to the losing side. On the other hand, he wrestled just about everyone that AA'd at 141 and had only a few "bad" losses - maybe he is just a notch below the level of the other guys. Who knows? I'm hoping he bounces back with a healthy and successful fifth-year senior.

For the record: I believe Jimmy will be fine, either way, at 133 or at 141.

I simply believe that he will be much better at 133, and that he isn't long enough for those long kids at 141 who all seem to be going up against him. If Cael says he stays, then it's the right move to stay, basically because Cael said so. He has the same heart that Jordan Conaway has, and that James English has, so he is going to be great next year. He has the whole off season to get better and to train his mind, and to work with the greatest staff in the sport, in the greatest room in the sport, with the greatest GUYS in the sport, so it IS going to get better.

Cortez is a world class wrestler, and if he goes at 133, I damn well like our chances of AA at all three weights of 125 with Nick Suriano, 133 with Cortez, and 141 with Jimmy.

 

[johnstownsteel]

"unless you have a problem maintaining the weight..."

Like Imar had no problems maintaining the weight? That guy struggled all year to pull down to 57

And if Jimmy has same problem as Rasheed? Who do we slot in at 133 then since Cortez will be up by that point.