Good.
If the left coast is in turmoil maybe CJF can swoop in for a couple stud recruits.
Does this mean JF isn’t going to USC?
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Good.
If the left coast is in turmoil maybe CJF can swoop in for a couple stud recruits.
There is enough risk in contact sports as it is... Until it is determined it is safe for contact sports (ie: COVID spread) the athletes have legitimate concerns and deserve to be heard.
and pushed by the media, sound familiar?This seems engineered And organized by a group of politicians and attorneys
Or at the local gas station, or grocery store, or Wal Mart, or from the building they live in.So how ya gonna prove they get Covid by playing football and not at the local strip joint?
So how ya gonna prove they get Covid by playing football and not at the local strip joint?
Ohio State is going to reduce current payouts? I doubt that.How will the players on teams that do not make money get paid? How will this not turn into a 20 team league? The ones that make the most cash / pay their players the most. Why play for Pitt for $3 a year when Ohio State will be giving them $500,000 each.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/pac-12-players-covid-19-statement-football-season
“Demands”-it’s going to be interesting watching this play out. It could be the end of college football as we know it.
How big of a piece? What should a college student get paid for a part time job over and above the value of free tuition, free room and board, best meal plan on campus, free merchandise out the ass, and a stipend?College football has been a huge business since the 80’s. The players deserve a piece of that business model in some form or fashion. The scholarship is not an equitable compensation. A lot on this board compare the virtues of psu vs the sec or osu, but in the end we are no different at psu in terms of operating one of the largest cfb businesses. I do believe there is more $ value in keeping the current cfb setup with the attachment alums have to their school compared to a minor league system.
You don't see any element of big business cynicism in this situation on the part of colleges and college administrators? Virtually all of these young men entertain the aspiration of playing on Sundays. They quite obviously want to play. The offer to honor their scholarships is nice but, honestly, if given the opportunity to play, most of them would rather play in the hopes it gives them a shot at the NFL. If colleges want to get the big TV money, gate receipts, donations, and all the other money that comes from playing football, it seems to me that they owe SOME duty to the players (who are the true entertainment here) to minimize the risk of contracting Covid-19, and to treat them and otherwise support them if they DO contract Covid-19. I don't know what specific verbiage these Covid-19 waivers use (and am wondering if it varies from school to school), but asking a player to waive any and all Covid-19 liability in order to play seems beyond heavy handed, IMHO.Last I checked they were heard in that regard. Any players who don’t feel safe from covid can sit out and not lose their scholarships- even in the cut throat SEC.
That apparently was not good enough for some PAC 12 players. They don’t want to sit out. They want to play...... but at the same time they want to sue if they get corona.
We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago when the PAC 12 players first threatened this.
1.) It sure makes it a lot easier for the PAC 12 to decide whether to play this year or not. Forget about the revenue for a second. No legal immunity, no season.
2.) Concerning the revenue sharing, Title IX advocates and attorneys have their ducks in place to jump on that issue faster than your head can spin.
These players are drop dead stupid. Especially the ones who think they are good enough for the NFL and are not.
They better be careful, or they might get what they wish for. No more scholarships, no more coddling University oversight, and non-university affiliated Minor League football.
Going to reply to the Butler thread, coward??
Most likely they will be boycotting a cancelled season.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/pac-12-players-covid-19-statement-football-season
“Demands”-it’s going to be interesting watching this play out. It could be the end of college football as we know it.
Uhh...long before then...College football has been a huge business since the 80’s. The players deserve a piece of that business model in some form or fashion. The scholarship is not an equitable compensation. A lot on this board compare the virtues of psu vs the sec or osu, but in the end we are no different at psu in terms of operating one of the largest cfb businesses. I do believe there is more $ value in keeping the current cfb setup with the attachment alums have to their school compared to a minor league system.
I don't see any schools forcing kids into these athletic scholarships.
I say, if you don't want to play under these conditions, next man up.
We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago when the PAC 12 players first threatened this.
1.) It sure makes it a lot easier for the PAC 12 to decide whether to play this year or not. Forget about the revenue for a second. No legal immunity, no season.
2.) Concerning the revenue sharing, Title IX advocates and attorneys have their ducks in place to jump on that issue faster than your head can spin.
These players are drop dead stupid. Especially the ones who think they are good enough for the NFL and are not.
They better be careful, or they might get what they wish for. No more scholarships, no more coddling University oversight, and non-university affiliated Minor League football.
You don't see any element of big business cynicism in this situation on the part of colleges and college administrators? Virtually all of these young men entertain the aspiration of playing on Sundays. They quite obviously want to play. The offer to honor their scholarships is nice but, honestly, if given the opportunity to play, most of them would rather play in the hopes it gives them a shot at the NFL. If colleges want to get the big TV money, gate receipts, donations, and all the other money that comes from playing football, it seems to me that they owe SOME duty to the players (who are the true entertainment here) to minimize the risk of contracting Covid-19, and to treat them and otherwise support them if they DO contract Covid-19. I don't know what specific verbiage these Covid-19 waivers use (and am wondering if it varies from school to school), but asking a player to waive any and all Covid-19 liability in order to play seems beyond heavy handed, IMHO.
If they want to play that’s fine, sign the waiver. If they are very concerned over covid then sit out and keep your scholarship. It’s their choice and fine either way.
It’s up to them to decide what’s best for them in their situation. Only 2% (IIRC) of NCAA players will actually go to the NFL. There are choices in life, often with consequences you don’t like.
As for the business concept, walk into your boss’ office tomorrow, call him a racist who exploits his employees, and then make the following demands-
1. You demand all management, (from the CEO to middle managers), must take ‘drastic’ salary cuts.
2. He must stop all performance bonuses for management.
3. While at the company, he must cover all your work related medical expenses (not just provide you medical coverage but actually pay all your medical bills).
4. In addition, he must provide you with medical coverage (plan selected by you) for 6 years after you leave the company.
5. He must pay all your housing and food expenses for the time you work for him as well as pay off all your student loans.
6. He must give away 52% of company revenue (not company profits- revenue)- 2% of revenue to community initiatives which you will select. The other 50% of all company revenue to employees.
7. He can not eliminate aspects of the company that are hemorrhaging money. All employees must continue in perpetuity and receive the same benefits you’re demanding despite losing money.
Let me know how that works out for you.
I did not get into ANY of the demands to which you assigned numbers, above. My post specifically concerned the Covid-19 waivers that players are apparently being asked to sign. I question whether they would be enforceable even if signed, but my earlier comment was that demanding players sign such waivers does not reflect well on big time college football. ("You players take the health risk and we'll take the money.") Moreover, I said nothing about racism. You appear to be angry about this subject. Is that the case?!
True but the tv money was not much before the 80s and 90s.Uhh...long before then...
This will likely happen all over college football. 18 year - 22 year olds think they are invincible. This is why the season will not happen.
Good description of a comparison of how that would be unattainable in the work world. These players should not be making any demands except requesting a review of the COVID policy. Nothing else.If they want to play that’s fine, sign the waiver. If they are very concerned over covid then sit out and keep your scholarship. It’s their choice and fine either way.
It’s up to them to decide what’s best for them in their situation. Only 2% (IIRC) of NCAA players will actually go to the NFL. There are choices in life, often with consequences you don’t like.
As for the business concept, walk into your boss’ office tomorrow, call him a racist who exploits his employees, and then make the following demands-
1. You demand all management, (from the CEO to middle managers), must take ‘drastic’ salary cuts.
2. He must stop all performance bonuses for management.
3. While at the company, he must cover all your work related medical expenses (not just provide you medical coverage but actually pay all your medical bills).
4. In addition, he must provide you with medical coverage (plan selected by you) for 6 years after you leave the company.
5. He must pay all your housing and food expenses for the time you work for him as well as pay off all your student loans.
6. He must give away 52% of company revenue (not company profits- revenue)- 2% of revenue to community initiatives which you will select. The other 50% of all company revenue to employees.
7. He can not eliminate aspects of the company that are hemorrhaging money. All employees must continue in perpetuity and receive the same benefits you’re demanding despite losing money.
Let me know how that works out for you.