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What time is C/S/S sentencing today?

Curley and Shultz have been sentenced (don't know what the sentences were) and Spanier is up as we "speak".
 
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What? You know everything before everyone what are their sentences that the judge told you last night they were going to hand down?

It appears Ceasar knows more than I - perhaps you should ask him/her.

As for what I think will happen? These men had impeccable records before this offense, this is their first offense - I think the judge will give them all probation with community service. We should all know soon.
 
You are welcomed to your opinion - but the facts say otherwise.

Fact: Two plead guilty - one was found guilty.

So legally - they did do something wrong.

And I guess you think OJ is innocent?

How many felonies were they found not guilty of? The one charge that Spanier was found guilty of, you do realize that the jury foreman said they made a mistake? What will you do when that parking ticket is overturned?

But by all means keep posting your ignorant garbage while ignoring the mistakes of the professional that truly failed those kids. #enabler
 
And I guess you think OJ is innocent?

How many felonies were they found not guilty of? The one charge that Spanier was found guilty of, you do realize that the jury foreman said they made a mistake? What will you do when that parking ticket is overturned?

But by all means keep posting your ignorant garbage while ignoring the mistakes of the professional that truly failed those kids. #enabler

She is absolutely an enabler. And a selfish one at that. She'll be nowhere to be found when this garbage is overturned.
 
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She is absolutely an enabler. And the selfish one at that. She'll be nowhere to be found when this garbage is overturned.

She thinks that "legally" they did something wrong. She must think legally OJ did nothing wrong.

Morally C/S/S did nothing wrong, that's just common sense. Spanier will soon be cleared "legally" too. C/S were stupid to plead, but given how tainted the jury pool was, I don't blame them.
 
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She thinks that "legally" they did something wrong. She must think legally OJ did nothing wrong.

Morally C/S/S did nothing wrong, that's just common sense. Spanier will soon be cleared "legally" too. C/S were stupid to plead, but given how tainted the jury pool was, I don't blame them.

She's here for her own selfish reasons. "Healing" from her own experience as a victim. She's a hypocrite of the highest order for making this only about these three doofuses and herself and not the broader issue.
 
She thinks that "legally" they did something wrong. She must think legally OJ did nothing wrong.

Morally C/S/S did nothing wrong, that's just common sense. Spanier will soon be cleared "legally" too. C/S were stupid to plead, but given how tainted the jury pool was, I don't blame them.

I am willing to concede they did something stupid. I am not willing to concede they willingly broke the law (especially the one they were found guilty of)
 

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There's a lesson in our communities for all this. It is that in the protection of our children, we must always be vigilant to assure that there are not those among us who would harm them. The problem is that where pedophiles are concerned, it is very often the case, as you were, that they are trusted community figures.

It's hard for the average citizen to understand why pedophiles are not quickly recognized and caught. But the reality is that the very nature of the pedophile's method of his crime is to take time to ingratiate himself to both parents and children, to develop the relationships of trust that enabled him first to commit the crimes and then to conceal the crimes. It is this remarkable ability to deceive that makes these crimes so heinous.

It's easy for those who never encountered a pedophile to think that there must be something wrong with those who failed to recognize what was going on. Those who have never encountered a pedophile can hardly begin to understand the anguish of those who have been so expertly deceived and who did not realize until it was too late the harm that had been done.



- Judge John M. Cleland, 10/9/2012, at sentencing for Jerry Sandusky
 
Dumb questions: When Curley and Schultz took a plea, did they know what their sentence would be or only what it could be? Related to this, can they appeal today's sentence even though they took a plea?
 
Now starts the OUTRAGE. :eek: among everyone stupid on the planet that the sentences are not harsh enough.
 
Dumb questions: When Curley and Schultz took a plea, did they know what their sentence would be or only what it could be? Related to this, can they appeal today's sentence even though they took a plea?
Think I can answer. They cannot appeal as the sentence is within the standard range so there would be no basis to appeal it. They did not know what their sentence would be but would have known what the prosecution would argue at sentencing. Apparently they considered this outcome to be acceptable in terms of mitigating their risk as best as possible.
 
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Think I can answer. They cannot appeal as the sentence is within the standard range so there would be no basis to appeal it. They did not know what their sentence would be but would have known what the prosecution would argue at sentencing. Apparently they considered this outcome to be acceptable in terms of mitigating their risk as best as possible.

Thanks.

I wonder if Spanier will appeal what in the grand scheme of things is a very light sentence. To be clear, the fact that he was found guilty of anything and then sentenced to any prison time is completely unacceptable, but given the charges he faced and the fact that the game has been rigged from the start, the sentence could have been much worse for him.
 
Never thought I'd say this....

I am soooo happy I moved out of Pennsylvania. I think i am going to stop telling people I was born there. The fact that I went to college in WVa and live in CLE is much less embarrassing. The level of corruption in the state makes Chicago and Illinois look like utopia.

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Think I can answer. They cannot appeal as the sentence is within the standard range so there would be no basis to appeal it. They did not know what their sentence would be but would have known what the prosecution would argue at sentencing. Apparently they considered this outcome to be acceptable in terms of mitigating their risk as best as possible.

Thanks for the info.
But if the jury foreman says to the media they made a mistake isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Not that I think anything will change, just curious.
 
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Never thought I'd say this....

I am soooo happy I moved out of Pennsylvania. I think i am going to stop telling people I was born there. The fact that I went to college in WVa and live in CLE is much less embarrassing. The level of corruption in the state makes Chicago and Illinois look like utopia.

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Agree. They are even starting to make Baltimore look good. LOL.
 
Thanks for the info.
But if the jury foreman says to the media they made a mistake isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Not that I think anything will change, just curious.
Good question BB and I too have wondered that. I would not be surprised if that foreman's comment shows up in the appeal. I meant I do not believe they can appeal the actual sentence. But certainly Spanier can appeal the verdict.
 
Thanks for the info.
But if the jury foreman says to the media they made a mistake isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Not that I think anything will change, just curious.

The jury foreman's comments should only apply to Spanier since he was the only one on trial. My question was whether Curley and Schultz could appeal today's sentences since they had taken a plea.
 
So Curley is getting jail time despite the plea deal that he wouldn't go to prison if he demonstrated a medical justification? In regards to Graham, I'd imagine most or all of his time would be served by the time any appeal could be heard anyway. It took them 5+ years to get to this point, does anyone honestly think he can get an appeal wrapped up in the next 2-4 months?
 
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