It only says that PA is the toughest state.
Send only AA kids, no AAA, and it's lopsided for USA most if not every year.
Which State is Toughest to Win a State Title In?
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Send only AA kids, no AAA, and it's lopsided for USA most if not every year.
Your argument is flawed from a probability and statistics point of view. By Carter wrestling one extra match it would certainly reduce his odds in winning a 4th title. Not much but it calcute to lower odds because of the slim chance of getting caught or injured in that extra match. Would he still be the favorite,yes ,but his odds would be reduced from a betting standpoint. Think of horse race. The great horse that runs in 8 horse field will have lower odds than if he runs against the same 8 horses with 4 nags added to make it a 12 horse field. It's just math.
You are moving the goal posts. You said, "Due to the largest pool of wrestlers and being single class, the odds of winning a championship in Cali are considerbly worse than any other state".
My post was based on your use of the word "considerably". My point, which doesn't need a lot of statistics and math to deduce the answer, is that in your example, Carter's odds of winning another championship is not much different if a boatload of extra average to above average wrestlers join the tournament.
for what it's worth - Cael came to Penn State for the talent in PA and surrounding states ... why argue with Cael?
Maybe it really is easier to win a State Title in PA.
Probably why so many top tier kids are transferring in every year.🤷🏿♂️
Probably why so many top tier kids are transferring in every year.🤷🏿♂️
I don't think I said anything about California. I think you got me confused. I said I thought New Jersey maybe was the toughest because of the top talent and one class. You seem to be a numbers guy yet said Carter odds wouldn't change if field was doubled. I'm saying the odds would change a little because of the extra match involved. It would be marginal. Maybe 5:4 compared 5:3 or 10:7. It's just numbers.
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Moving the goalpost is using CStar as the example of all PA high school champions. It's basic stats. NJ is also more difficult than PA because of the one class and concentration of talent. In NJ's case, the overall pool is smaller but PA's 2 classes increase the chances of winning a championship.
We agree. I don't know why he brought Cstar up in the first place, so rather than muddy the water more, I thought it best to stick to the goalposts he created. Good catch!
Let’s not forget what happened when the next CA 4X state champion wrestled a PA guy at DD. Mejia from Clovis went against ADS and the result wasn’t very pretty. At work, a friend and I gave a guy from Clovis a pretty hard time.
PA 4 timer Thomas Haines lost to CA boy Nick Nevills at dapper dan. We can all cherry pick results
Cary Kolat did not win his Dapper Dan match.
Do we really want to use that event as some kind of barometer?
I wasn't cherry picking anything. I was only pointing out the fact that the first two 4X state champions in CA didn't do very well against their PA opponents. Those two particular match ups don't prove or disprove anything about PA or CA wrestling. They do give us PA natives a a good opportunity for some trash talk with our CA wrestling friends. 😁
BTW, I'm a big fan of the HS wrestling programs in the CA central valley region. The teams are very good and I also like the people. I've had the pleasure of meeting Adam Tirapelli in person and he's a genuine down to earth guy.
As to which state has the toughest tournament to win, I have no idea. All I know is that you have to be really good to make it to the top of the podium in either state.
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After reading all the posts....I think it is unquestionably clear......the toughest state to win a championship in is........drum roll........whatever state you are supporting....
I believe it was a draw, but many people think Kolat should have lost.
FYI - related to this thread, Flo has posted the CA state finals on YouTube. A lot of close matches. Poway put SEVEN guys in the finals and set a state scoring record! Their coach for their big guys is none other than Stephan Neal.
