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Who are our top recruiting targets for the next class?

Seems this board needs a whipping boy and the new guy is Joe Lee unfortunately. Berge was headed here before the awful injuries he suffered , so most backed off thankfully.
Agree with jschrantz 100%. PSU wrestlers are college kids, teens or early 20's. They all have parents, friends ,siblings and lives beyond what you see on the mats at Rec Hall. Assuming most the board's negative contributors are employed, "mature" adults, isn't is a bit silly to be repeatably heaping criticism on college students who have chosen to entertain you. Wouldn't it be difficult to do your job if you were constantly barraged with anonymous message board critiques of your work performance? It's time to take the negativity to the pros, Pirates, Phillies, Steelers, Eagles, etc.
 


Willie's current Top 5 PFP:
Jesse Mendez, Nic Bouzakis, Nick Feldman (committed), Rylan Rogers, Cody Chittum (committed)
 
Agree with jschrantz 100%. PSU wrestlers are college kids, teens or early 20's. They all have parents, friends ,siblings and lives beyond what you see on the mats at Rec Hall. Assuming most the board's negative contributors are employed, "mature" adults, isn't is a bit silly to be repeatably heaping criticism on college students who have chosen to entertain you. Wouldn't it be difficult to do your job if you were constantly barraged with anonymous message board critiques of your work performance? It's time to take the negativity to the pros, Pirates, Phillies, Steelers, Eagles, etc.
I agree with Schrantz but this is too far. Any wrestler who spends time on the message boards is at best getting comic relief, more likely wasting their time and/or asking for trouble. And Cael is reinforcing that point, whether or not they figured it out before arriving on campus.

That's not to excuse the negative ninnies. Rather, the athletes 100% control their exposure to it.

The real problem is idiots who denigrate the athletes on the tweeter and spacebook. That's how the kids interact with each other, so it's asking too much for them to stay completely off of it. Plus going after them this way is more than a little creepy.

That said, again, the guys most likely laugh it off as long as it's not from someone they actually know.

The parents, OTOH ... John Brooks laughs it off, others go Full Larry Lee.
 
Assuming most the board's negative contributors are employed, "mature" adults, isn't is a bit silly to be repeatably heaping criticism on college students who have chosen to entertain you.
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It doesn't seem things have been trending well for the good guys with Bouzakis for a while. I remember it was virtually a lock. At least he made his OV, we shall see.

It's just tough, does the kid see himself as a career 133? If not, that makes it a very hard sell. I mean one of his best friends is probably going to occupy his ideal weight at PSU for a good bit of his career.
 
It doesn't seem things have been trending well for the good guys with Bouzakis for a while. I remember it was virtually a lock. At least he made his OV, we shall see.

It's just tough, does the kid see himself as a career 133? If not, that makes it a very hard sell. I mean one of his best friends is probably going to occupy his ideal weight at PSU for a good bit of his career.
I think John Smith sees him as a career 125 pounder
 
Dude, I never took any of your HR posts as trolling. I always thought it was mighty nice of you to put forth such an effort to help the collective see the light.
Oh I never really trolled over there. Just called it like I saw it. They would call me a troll as if that would hurt my feelings so to make it clear to them, i labeled myself a troll and wore it like a badge of honor.
 
Agreed, Bouzakis to Stillwater
You're most likely 99.9% accurate with this. Things have been brewing a while now with Pokes and Bouzakis.
Is he the one committing tomorrow? Not not sure. If I had to guess its Bouzakis or Rogers.
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*WARNING before you screwballs feed me to fish* No idea who is committing where tmrw. I only know Ok state really thought they were gonna get him a few weeks back but I haven't heard anything since then.
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You're most likely 99.9% accurate with this. Things have been brewing a while now with Pokes and Bouzakis.
Is he the one committing tomorrow? Not not sure. If I had to guess its Bouzakis or Rogers.
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*WARNING before you screwballs feed me to fish* No idea who is committing where tmrw. I only know Ok state really thought they were gonna get him a few weeks back but I haven't heard anything since then.
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Thanks for letting us know Cael!

All kidding aside, they're going to be very stacked post 2022:
Both Mastrogiovannis
Victor Voinovich
Anthony Ferrari
Dustin Plott
Kyle Haas
AJ Ferrari

Fix and Wittlake both have 3 more years as well and then likely add Nic Bouzakis? They're also one of the finalists for Joey Cruz. They will be a handful going forward.
 
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Yeah. Listening to Koll on Flo he specifically mentioned that PSU has it tough with the super high tuition and very poor to no student aid. He said PSU used to be pretty cheap but no longer. He also said Cael is really good at convincing kids to pay more just to wrestle with him.

I think Koll said Stanford currently has only 4.5 scholys available for wrestling today, 3 more on the way and eventually they will be at the full 9.9, but with that huge endowment they have incredible student aid to work with. In time it will be like they have far more than 9.9, in terms of equivalency.

I have no idea what is going on with Okly State but that was the first time i heard that PSU may actually be at a disadvantage to most everyone else except Michigan nectar of the combo of high tuition and low student aid.

One would have to think when we lose out on some of the big fish it's due partially to the absurd tuition that a state school charges these days.

I really really want Bouz, the kid is a killer.
 
Yeah. Listening to Koll on Flo he specifically mentioned that PSU has it tough with the super high tuition and very poor to no student aid. He said PSU used to be pretty cheap but no longer. He also said Cael is really good at convincing kids to pay more just to wrestle with him.

I think Koll said Stanford currently has only 4.5 scholys available for wrestling today, 3 more on the way and eventually they will be at the full 9.9, but with that huge endowment they have incredible student aid to work with. In time it will be like they have far more than 9.9, in terms of equivalency.

I have no idea what is going on with Okly State but that was the first time i heard that PSU may actually be at a disadvantage to most everyone else except Michigan nectar of the combo of high tuition and low student aid.

One would have to think when we lose out on some of the big fish it's due partially to the absurd tuition that a state school charges these days.

I really really want Bouz, the kid is a killer.
If I had to guess with Bouzakis, it's literally just fit. I mean the kid attends Wyoming Seminary, which is 50K + a year for boarding school so I'm going to guess it's not a tuition issue. Unless Bouzakis sees himself as a career 133 (not likely) then he doesn't fit into our lineup. Obviously Cael still wants him because of how talented he is and you never know who ends up having a better career but we have Bartlett and Van Ness both with true freshman eligibility next year and they both look to be occupying 141/149 for us for a long time.
 
Yeah. Listening to Koll on Flo he specifically mentioned that PSU has it tough with the super high tuition and very poor to no student aid. He said PSU used to be pretty cheap but no longer. He also said Cael is really good at convincing kids to pay more just to wrestle with him.

I think Koll said Stanford currently has only 4.5 scholys available for wrestling today, 3 more on the way and eventually they will be at the full 9.9, but with that huge endowment they have incredible student aid to work with. In time it will be like they have far more than 9.9, in terms of equivalency.

I have no idea what is going on with Okly State but that was the first time i heard that PSU may actually be at a disadvantage to most everyone else except Michigan nectar of the combo of high tuition and low student aid.

One would have to think when we lose out on some of the big fish it's due partially to the absurd tuition that a state school charges these days.

I really really want Bouz, the kid is a killer.
Penn State is definitely at a disadvantage due to high tuition. Ok State, for example, is dirt cheap. Meanwhile Ohio State has either started, or will start, a program where most Ohioans of middle class means won’t pay much at all out of pocket. Huge in a state with a lot of good wrestlers.

Just heard Koll. Funny comparison between Stanford and Iowa re: NIL (Google execs v car dealership)
 
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Yeah. Listening to Koll on Flo he specifically mentioned that PSU has it tough with the super high tuition and very poor to no student aid. He said PSU used to be pretty cheap but no longer. He also said Cael is really good at convincing kids to pay more just to wrestle with him.

I think Koll said Stanford currently has only 4.5 scholys available for wrestling today, 3 more on the way and eventually they will be at the full 9.9, but with that huge endowment they have incredible student aid to work with. In time it will be like they have far more than 9.9, in terms of equivalency.

I have no idea what is going on with Okly State but that was the first time i heard that PSU may actually be at a disadvantage to most everyone else except Michigan nectar of the combo of high tuition and low student aid.

One would have to think when we lose out on some of the big fish it's due partially to the absurd tuition that a state school charges these days.

I really really want Bouz, the kid is a killer.

Penn State was "pretty cheap" this long ago:

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(A couple of years before @NoVa Lion was born.) 😉
 
If I had to guess with Bouzakis, it's literally just fit. I mean the kid attends Wyoming Seminary, which is 50K + a year for boarding school so I'm going to guess it's not a tuition issue. Unless Bouzakis sees himself as a career 133 (not likely) then he doesn't fit into our lineup. Obviously Cael still wants him because of how talented he is and you never know who ends up having a better career but we have Bartlett and Van Ness both with true freshman eligibility next year and they both look to be occupying 141/149 for us for a long time.
My nephews girlfriend goes there and is on swim team. Didn't realize Sem was that expensive ..wow.
 
Agree with jschrantz 100%. PSU wrestlers are college kids, teens or early 20's. They all have parents, friends ,siblings and lives beyond what you see on the mats at Rec Hall. Assuming most the board's negative contributors are employed, "mature" adults, isn't is a bit silly to be repeatably heaping criticism on college students who have chosen to entertain you. Wouldn't it be difficult to do your job if you were constantly barraged with anonymous message board critiques of your work performance? It's time to take the negativity to the pros, Pirates, Phillies, Steelers, Eagles, etc.
I think idiots will take even more liberties now. With student athletes now able to profit and create their own business and brand, people are just going to lump them in with professional athletes.
 
Yeah. Listening to Koll on Flo he specifically mentioned that PSU has it tough with the super high tuition and very poor to no student aid. He said PSU used to be pretty cheap but no longer. He also said Cael is really good at convincing kids to pay more just to wrestle with him.

I think Koll said Stanford currently has only 4.5 scholys available for wrestling today, 3 more on the way and eventually they will be at the full 9.9, but with that huge endowment they have incredible student aid to work with. In time it will be like they have far more than 9.9, in terms of equivalency.

I have no idea what is going on with Okly State but that was the first time i heard that PSU may actually be at a disadvantage to most everyone else except Michigan nectar of the combo of high tuition and low student aid.

One would have to think when we lose out on some of the big fish it's due partially to the absurd tuition that a state school charges these days.

I really really want Bouz, the kid is a killer.

I believe Stanford and Cornell are 2 of the few dozen schools that meet 100% of demonstrated need. For aid purposes, need is defined as total cost of attendance minus expected family contribution (EFC).

So as an example, if it costs 70k to attend Stanford and a wrestler from a middle class family has an calculated EFC of 20k, Stanford kicks in 50k of aid. At Penn State, I believe total cost for out of state is about 55k. After Penn State throws in a few nickels in aid, the parents are left with a very large tuition bill.

If the wrestler is from a wealthier family, they’ll have a much higher EFC, say 50k, and hence the cost disparity isn’t as great. In that example, Stanford would kick in the remaining 20k after the parents kick in their expected 50k. At Penn State those same parents kick in 50k, Penn State kicks in a few G and the parents pay the rest.

This disparity isn’t as bad for in state students, who I believe have a total cost of about 35k.

We have the best wrestling talent in the nation in PA, but our college aid at our state schools put us at a major disadvantage in recruiting, especially for out of state students.
 
Having put several daughters through college (PSU and Private) and having served on the boards of several private colleges, I can affirm that PSU combines the worst of both worlds. Private colleges heavily discount their product. PSU does not! Many states heavily subsidize Public Universities. Pennsylvania does not.
PSU is an attractive place and since tuition & Board started its inexorable rise in the 70’s . . . . successive Boards have learned that there are plenty of families (in State and especially out of state) willing to pay up for the Blue & White Brand.
With this said: if you are a very good student and come from a family of limited means, ..... there ARE ways to get admitted to PSU with an academic scholarship. In the absence of great HS grades, a wrestler has to secure a chunk of Cael’s coveted 9.9.
 
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Having put several daughters through college (PSU and Private) and having served on the boards of several private colleges, I can affirm that PSU combines the worst of both worlds. Private colleges heavily discount their product. PSU does not! Many states heavily subsidize Public Universities. Pennsylvania does not.
PSU is an attractive place and since tuition & Board started its inexorable rise in the 70’s . . . . successive Boards have learned that there are plenty of families (in State and especially out of state) willing to pay up for the Blue & White Brand.
With this said: if you are a very good student and come from a family of limited means, ..... there ARE ways to get admitted to PSU with an academic scholarship. In the absence of great HS grades, a wrestler has to secure a chunk of Cael’s coveted 9.9.
I think it more a mixed bag for PSU than a clear disadvantage. Stanford and Cornell still have to get kids in academically. Most kids won't qualify to get in academically. They are recruiting in a smaller pool. Cornell has no athletic scholarships, so only way you get money is if you are economically disadvantaged. Stanford has athletic scholarships but only 4.5 at this time. If you are not economically disadvantaged, a PA resident, and PSU wrestling is going to give you some portion of athletic scholarship, that is hard for Cornell and Stanford (assuming they don't commit to give you a full scholarship) to compete with.
 
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I think it more a mixed bag for PSU than a clear disadvantage. Stanford and Cornell still have to get kids in academically. Most kids won't qualify to get in academically. They are recruiting in a smaller pool. Cornell has no athletic scholarships, so only way you get money is if you are economically disadvantaged. Stanford has athletic scholarships but only 4.5 at this time. If you are not economically disadvantaged, a PA resident, and PSU wrestling is going to give you some portion of athletic scholarship, that is hard for Cornell and Stanford (assuming they don't commit to give you a full scholarship) to compete with.
It is a disadvantage against cheap state schools though - and those are our main competitors
 
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