its because in a city like Pitt resides "They Don't Have a Stadium on Campus". Simply put Athletes do not want to take a shuttle via schedule to get to the facility. They should never have taken down their stadium and put up the Peterson Event Center for basketball if they wanted to stay relevant. Maybe the Frick property will be converted and this will be addressed but otherwise, Sorry Pitt.
Why Pitt will never be on the level "We Are.." or any other college that has a stadium on campus....
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Lol...I hardly think it matters. I have a daughter who commuted 2 hours one way to attend the high school she wished to attend. Her commitment earned her a full scholarship. Every kid is different.
I don't know why that garners a "lol" from you. Pitt has the #66 recruiting class, behind such goliaths as San Jose state & indiana. Hang your hat on being just above purdue and temple, though.
I really don't see that as a big issue. The counter to that "shuttle" issue (if it is one) is that they play in the same stadium as the Pittsburgh Steelers and that will appear to some kids. If they win, and send players to the pros, kids will want to go there. If they don't, they won't.
The issues facing PITT recruiting comes from the "coaching carousal" and the decline of Pennsylvania football. PA only produces a handful of 4 star talents each year. NJ has passed PA.
So Pitt has to build out to other states, that can happen IFFFFFFF a coach stays put for more than 10 minutes.
PSU has extended it's area to include NJ and Maryland. Both have more Div 1 talent than PA.
So Pitt has to build out to other states, that can happen IFFFFFFF a coach stays put for more than 10 minutes.
PSU has extended it's area to include NJ and Maryland. Both have more Div 1 talent than PA.
If Pitt was a Top Ten program every year, the stadium issue would make no difference. However, they are not, and therefore I am of the opinion that it makes a huge difference. Different strokes for different folks, but even the fools on the Lair are openly preaching for an on-stadium campus.
Yes and many of us laugh at them as well. The stadium, attendance, commuting to practice facilities. It's all what makes attending Pitt a completely different experience from attending school in a college town. You either love it or hate it. It makes Pitt unique.
off campus practice facility and getting across town for practices for players and meetings with professors with coaches is s bigger issue than many will know. More than likely contributes to coaches leaving, as well. Many issues coaching Pitt that other coaches do not have to deal with on a daily basis
Judging by recruiting class results and coaches getting out ASAP, most hate it
Judging by recruiting class results and coaches getting out ASAP, most hate it
I live near, work with, and regularly converse with many, many Pitt people. All of them wish there was an on-campus stadium. I know one guy who feels very fervently that Pitt Stadium had to come down, but even he easily admits that the atmosphere at Heinz is extremely sterile.
Surely nobody could argue that an on-campus stadium is a negative. If it's not a negative, then it must be a positive.
Surely nobody could argue that an on-campus stadium is a negative. If it's not a negative, then it must be a positive.
I'll use Minnesota as an example. They realized that it wasn't good to separate their team from the campus and finally built a new stadium on campus. Seems to be pretty successful so far. And they are a similar situation to Pitt (NFL city with a major university).
I hate to tell but the days of coaches staying until they are in their 80's is gone. Franklin will leave someday as well. As for an on campus stadium? I don't mind traveling to Heinz. If a player finds it a problem? I guess they'll choose a different school? The bottom line for both our schools is to start winning something of significance. Listening to fans of a 7 & 6 team pound their chest about their superiority over a 6 & 7 team is really kind of pathetic.
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The difference is that 1 team has a pretty good excuse for going 7-6 and the other team is Pitt. One teams ceiling is much higher and you will begin to see that over the next few years. I look forward to watching the Akron meltdown this year
Didn't you just say Pitt had a bunch of coaching turnover? That sounds like a good reason to me! And the people responsible for that turnover...have been fired!
While I agree, if PSU was 6 - 7 and Pitt was 7 - 6, I'll bet the Pitt boards would be whooping it up (judging from my few trips to the Pitt sites). I think that would be true even though Penn State is suffering from sanctions.
Yes I did say that. The reason they have a lot of coaching turnover was laid out above. It's Pitt.....stepping stone University. That's not changing and neither are the mediocre records
Even when we're 7-6, we get over 90K fans having a good time and proud to be there. Remember that.
I'm pretty sure I'm on the penn state board. Your obsession with psu is pretty funny. I'll visit pantherlair when the games start and the meltdown begins
Good for you...I wish Pitt could do that. I wish Pitt had a large fields for people to tailgate in. I'm sure it would help attendance. Unfortunately, we are located in the city.
Yes, but remember that Pitt has 91 National Championships, has sent 3,458 guys to the pros, and a Pitt grad invented baseball.
Mauti...I know your from Pittsburgh that's why I like you. When I get my parking pass location I'll invite you down for a drink.
I thought you said an on campus stadium doesn't matter.
I will say this about Pitt and Narduzzi, thus far. He has generated a lot of excitement for Pitt. So did Todd Graham. I listened to sports radio and Pitt coworkers talk about what a difference he was going to make and how Pitt football would be great. Here we are 4 years later. It happens each time Pitt replaces a coach and the thought is it will be different. Maybe some day it briefly will be different.
What I see from Narduzzi is very little interest outside a 30 mile radius of Pittsburgh. If I'm wrong, show me otherwise. Name me some big time recruits Pitt is in on outside of Pittsburgh
I realize that. I live about 20 minutes from Heinz, tops, and went to many a game at Pitt Stadium when growing up. It is simply not the same. Pitt Stadium was never a prize, because it was never properly maintained, and it had to come down because they essentially let it fall apart. This is what happens when a non-alum is given the keys to the kingdom. Nevertheless, the setting was classic and even if the team never really drew all that well, except for a period of time during Majors 1/Sherrill, it still felt like college football. Nowadays it feels as contrived as arena football.
An on campus stadium to ME doesn't matter. As far as proving anything to you... I can't I'm not a Pitt coach. All I can do is buy tickets, show up for games, cheer them on and hope for the best. That being said, I like Nardizzi so far..he seems to know what he is doing and is putting the work in. I'm a big believer that hard work pays off.
Can you tell me some bigtime recruits that Pitt leads for that do not reside in Pittsburgh. I see maybe 1, but I think North Carolina leads and that is a legacy recruit Zack Gilbert.
That's actually not true. While even during the Majors1/Sherrill era they didn't always sell out, they did get a legitimate 55K or so for a lot of games. The place looked pretty much full, visually. Nowadays, Heinz is way too big, and Pedersen always feels like he has to lie about actual attendance. If the crowd is announced at 52K, it's probably more like 40K. If he says 43K, it's usually around 30K. A few years ago against Syracuse there was no more than 15K in the building, if that, and they still announced upper 30's.
Heinz is just too big.
That could always be tickets sold (may be season tickets bought so that folks can get the "big games"). You see that a lot.
I'm sure that is their rationale. It's still blatant dishonesty, because 10K of the tickets "sold" cost about $2 each if you also buy 3 ears of corn at the Giant Eagle. If Giant Eagle doesn't get rid of all the tickets they have, Pedersen still must count them as "sold", since GE is stuck with them.
But it's not like most other teams (pro and college) don't do stuff like this either. I've gone to plenty of events on a "free" or heavily discounted ticket.
I'm quite sure that is true, for college teams. Bowling Green and Temple and Akron probably do it all the time. Point is, a truly storied team with 375 national championships shouldn't have to. If they were.
Recall, it's the Pitt people who keep saying they are one of the big boys. I'm merely refuting it.
Recall, it's the Pitt people who keep saying they are one of the big boys. I'm merely refuting it.
Actually it is true. However, I agree Heinz is too big. What I don't get is what type of affirmation are you guys after? An admission PSU has the bigger penis?
I'd simply like to know what big time recruits that Narduzzi leads for outside of a 30 minute radius of Pittsburgh. I figured if he was building all this excitement that he would have 10 4 star recruits like Franklin had last year at this time. You can't seem to give an answer to that question.
Not only can't I give an answer...I don't care. I understand recruiting is important and generally Stars matter. However, it also is very misleading. Look at your recruit Jenkins last year. He couldn't even make All- Conference but he is a 4* recruit. What does that mean? Is he good or isn't he? He is only good, if he develops to his potential. Which means...we really don't know if he is going to be any good, just yet. So I'll wait a few years before I judge whether he is a good recruit or a bad one. If you want to judge success by stars...please feel free to do so. I judge it by wins and losses and neither school is setting the world on fire.
