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Average is a term of comparison that has meaning. Average means your land pretty much in the middle of the group of which you are being compared amongst. It isn't a subjective term. It means about half of the group is better and about half is worse. When you say average it implies a comparison within a group. If you don't define the group, it has no meaning. I hope you aren't implying that half of college football teams are better than Indiana. Take records out. Just a subjective analysis of Indiana should not come to the conclusion that Indiana is an average team.
False...that's the meaning you want to give to it. Again, data is nothing without analytics. Saying the fall in the middle is merely a starting point. That's why there's D&A departments not just D. Data points exists only to be analyzed. We're again not grading on a curve.
 
You really don't understand the concept of "average", do you? I'm curious. Did you go to college and have a statistics class? Your assessment of "bad" isn't an assessment related to all of the population of the group. Your assessment is based on only being compared to the top tier. You don't get to make up your own population when being evaluated among a defined group. You can't take a subset of the group and make your evaluation of the entire group based on that subset. You are evaluated from the entire population. A 500 team is only considered bad if your only gauge is the top 25. That isn't an assessment of all "college football teams".

Your claim of "college football has free wins built in" would necessarily mean that ALL college football teams have free wins build in. That is an absolutely false statement. Those "free wins" are only built in for the top tier teams. As I said, do you think Minnesota considers ANY of their wins to be free? How about Purdue? Maybe Rutgers? After all, you did say "college football". You didn't say "top teams have free wins built in".

Dumbshit doesn't know the statistical difference between "average" and "bad" - he truly is not just a troll, but an idiot as well. Let's call the Top quartile - "Good" (Top Decile - Really Good, the best of the best).... bottom quartile- "Bad" (bottom decile Really Bad - the worst of the worst). The middle 50% range from Good to Bad with the middle-quartile of that group being "Average". But according to loudmouth douche troll there is only good and bad which is clearly FACTUALLY wrong regarding any statistical population (not to mention a really stupid, incorrect statement), but don't confuse the ignorant, a-hole, always-wrong loudmouth douche posing-troll with the simple FACTS. LMFAO, this moron is such a tool always running his stupid, ignorant troll mouth.
 
Dumbshit doesn't know the statistical difference between "average" and "bad" - he truly is not just a troll, but an idiot as well. Let's call the Top quartile - "Good" (Top Decile - Really Good, the best of the best).... bottom quartile- "Bad" (bottom decile Really Bad - the worst of the worst). The middle 50% range from Good to Bad with the middle-quartile of that group being "Average". But according to loudmouth douche troll there is only good and bad which is clearly FACTUALLY wrong regarding any statistical population (not to mention a really stupid, incorrect statement), but don't confuse the ignorant, a-hole, always-wrong loudmouth douche posing-troll with the simple FACTS. LMFAO, this moron is such a tool always running his stupid, ignorant troll mouth.
Another person that doesn't understand why data analysts exist--adorable.
 
False...that's the meaning you want to give to it. Again, data is nothing without analytics. Saying the fall in the middle is merely a starting point. That's why there's D&A departments not just D. Data points exists only to be analyzed. We're again not grading on a curve.
Why don't you simply admit that you got yourself into an argument that you can't argue your way out of? You made in idiotic statement and now you refuse to give in. The Data Analysis uses the actual data to make their determinations. They don't get to make up their own datapoints or population groups, which you seem to insist on doing.

av·er·age
[ˈav(ə)rij]
noun
  1. a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number. Compare with mean.
 
Why don't you simply admit that you got yourself into an argument that you can't argue your way out of? You made in idiotic statement and now you refuse to give in. The Data Analysis uses the actual data to make their determinations. They don't get to make up their own datapoints or population groups, which you seem to insist on doing.
Because I didn't.
Using your absurd logic--Army is better than Penn State, Ohio State and Texas.
We are using actual data--look at who they played and who the beat--you see patterns. This is analysis 101.
You lost this the moment you said curve
 
Straight out of the Preppie playbook.
When you can’t keep up in an intelligent conversation, call names like a snotty little girl.
Lando’s point was pretty clear: PSU has not defeated a team that has played good football this year. You can call him all the names you like, it doesn’t change the fact he is correct. And stating facts or reasonable opinions does not make anyone a bad fan.

LOL... Been called a lot of things but never a preppy.... Dude, that's hilarious.

WVU was good at the time. IL was 20 at the time. USC was also good at the time. All were hard fought wins.
 
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Why don't you simply admit that you got yourself into an argument that you can't argue your way out of? You made in idiotic statement and now you refuse to give in. The Data Analysis uses the actual data to make their determinations. They don't get to make up their own datapoints or population groups, which you seem to insist on doing.

av·er·age
[ˈav(ə)rij]
noun
  1. a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number. Compare with mean.

LoadoCommodo NEVER YIELDS!!! lol....
 
Because I didn't.
Using your absurd logic--Army is better than Penn State, Ohio State and Texas.
We are using actual data--look at who they played and who the beat--you see patterns. This is analysis 101.
You lost this the moment you said curve

He won. By a landslide. Don't be intransigent.
 
No, this isn't an "there's an equal amount of good and bad teams and everyone else is average". We're not grading on a curve here
Most college football teams are bad. If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad.
Just beating other bad teams doesn't make you good.
Every year, there's very few good teams in college football. There's a huge divide.
Hell, Indiana might not even me good--but we'll find out
This is funny.

"If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad."

Let's think about that statement. If you can consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams, then by definition YOU are an upper level team. By your definition, if you aren't an upper level team, then you are bad. That implies that there are no just good or average teams. You are either part of the upper crust or you are dirt.

And that makes sense to you?
 
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LOL... Been called a lot of things but never a preppy.... Dude, that's hilarious.

WVU was good at the time. IL was 20 at the time. USC was also good at the time. All were hard fought wins.
Sorry…my bad.
You aren’t Preppie. That’s the other little twerp on here, the one constantly calling other posters names like a snotty schoolgirl.
He’s an Erie Prep guy. That’s enough said for anyone familiar with the Preppies.
My point, sadly, is you were starting to act just like him. Not a good look for you, Knox.

As for the second part of your post, WVU was absolutely not good at the time it played PSU. Has not been a good football team at any point this season. IL may have been ranked #20 at the time of the PSU game, but that was a bad guess based on minimal games. That team has been exposed as not very good. Same can be said for USC. Many were judging the Trojans early based on program reputation, not body of work. They were, both then and now, not a very impressive football team.
 
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This is funny.

"If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad."

Let's think about that statement. If you can consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams, then by definition YOU are an upper level team. By your definition, if you aren't an upper level team, then you are bad. That implies that there are no just good or average teams. You are either part of the upper crust or you are dirt.

And that makes sense to you?
Correct--that makes perfect sense. There's tiers of good. See Penn State/Ohio State. We can't beat them so we're beneath them but we dominate everyone else not named Michigan and have for two years. It's very simple for someone who claims to understand data though you likely have someone else analyze it for you if you even use it. If you're using raw data--yikes.
 
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As for the second part of your post, WVU was absolutely not good at the time it played PSU. Has not been a good football team at any point this season. IL may have been ranked #20 at the time of the PSU game, but that was a bad guess based on minimal games. That team has been exposed as not very good. Same can be said for USC. Many were judging the Trojans early based on program reputation, not body of work. They were, both then and now, not a very impressive football team.
This^^^^
WVU was good before the season started because Pat McAfee hyped them up? Is that their argument lol
Illinois was ranked because voters didn't realize how bad Kansas and Nebraska were yet
 
Correct--that makes perfect sense. There's tiers of good. See Penn State/Ohio State. We can't beat them so we're beneath them but we dominate everyone else not named Michigan and have for two years. It's very simple for someone who claims to understand data though you likely have someone else analyze it for you if you even use it. If you're using raw data--yikes.
Well, if that makes sense to you, then I know what I'm dealing with. An idiot. You are either part of the upper crust or you are bad. There is no in between.

Thanks for the discussion. But I limit how long I talk to nonsense.
 
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Well, if that makes sense to you, then I know what I'm dealing with. An idiot. You are either part of the upper crust or you are bad. There is no in between.

Thanks for the discussion. But I limit how long I talk to nonsense.
Lol I'm an idiot for accepting reality.
Schools like Indiana and Boise State are the middle as I already explained tiers.
The nonsense is believing raw data determines if a team is good, average or bad.
Again, you'd have to belive Army is better than Penn State Alabama Texas etc. We know you don't but that ends your argument so thanks for playing.
 
Lol I'm an idiot for accepting reality.
Schools like Indiana and Boise State are the middle as I already explained tiers.
The nonsense is believing raw data determines if a team is good, average or bad.
Again, you'd have to belive Army is better than Penn State Alabama Texas etc. We know you don't but that ends your argument so thanks for playing.
No, you said, and I quote: "If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad."

There are no "tiers" in that statement. If you aren't in the upper crust, you are bad. Period. End of statement.

Idiotic statement.

I'm done.
 
When I jump on this board to discuss college football, my assumption is the majority of the give-and-take (unless otherwise noted) is about the top 20 or so teams in the country.
We never discuss which Directional Michigan is better than Directional Illinois. We don’t discuss Wyoming, New Mexico State, Fresno State or Temple. Our traditional subset is the top 20 or so teams.
Under that general assumption, it is safe to say Michigan and Pitt and WVU and USC (among many others) are “bad” teams this year.
To throw out that assumed subset and replace it with all of D-1 football for the sake of starting an argument with a poster you don’t care for is an absurd waste of time and brain cells.
Sadly, the bottom dwellers on this board do not have many brain cells to spare.
 
No, you said, and I quote: "If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad."

There are no "tiers" in that statement. If you aren't in the upper crust, you are bad. Period. End of statement.

Idiotic statement.

I'm done.
They're are tiers as I explained for you earlier. I even gave examples to help you
 
Sorry…my bad.
You aren’t Preppie. That’s the other little twerp on here, the one constantly calling other posters names like a snotty schoolgirl.
He’s an Erie Prep guy. That’s enough said for anyone familiar with the Preppies.
My point, sadly, is you were starting to act just like him. Not a good look for you, Knox.

As for the second part of your post, WVU was absolutely not good at the time it played PSU. Has not been a good football team at any point this season. IL may have been ranked #20 at the time of the PSU game, but that was a bad guess based on minimal games. That team has been exposed as not very good. Same can be said for USC. Many were judging the Trojans early based on program reputation, not body of work. They were, both then and now, not a very impressive football team.

#4 in the AP rankings. Someone believes PSU is pretty good. Given that they played OSU tight and coulda shoulda kept the game alive for a possible W, I'd say they are pretty good. 3 more games in the regular season. If they keep it together, they will have a nice path in the playoffs. We have a lot to look forward to as fans.
 
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#4 in the AP rankings. Someone believes PSU is pretty good. Given that they played OSU tight and coulda shoulda kept the game alive for a possible W, I'd say they are pretty good. 3 more games in the regular season. If they keep it together, they will have a nice path in the playoffs. We have a lot to look forward to as fans.
None of that is in response to the breakdown of we beat. No one disputed this.
 
Well, if that makes sense to you, then I know what I'm dealing with. An idiot. You are either part of the upper crust or you are bad. There is no in between.

Thanks for the discussion. But I limit how long I talk to nonsense.

I tried to warn you that he was not only a posing-troll, but a complete blithering moron on top of that (much like his little fan-club like SafetyShitz). Only a moron like HanjoCommando can argue against objective mathematical FACTS and declare himself "right" and "correct" as if this changes the FACT that he is DIAMETRICALLY and FACTUALLY WRONG as per usual.
 
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No, you said, and I quote: "If you can't consistently beat or contend with the upper level teams you're bad."

There are no "tiers" in that statement. If you aren't in the upper crust, you are bad. Period. End of statement.

Idiotic statement.

I'm done.

He also doesn't understand the concept that raw record doesn't determine the absolute strength of of one team versus another when the two teams are playing in two different conferences and have wholly different schedules. This is why playoffs exist. And as per usual, he brings up this clear strawman argument in regards to a topic that has zero to do with it.
 
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I tried to warn you that he was not only a posing-troll, but a complete blithering moron on top of that (much like his little fan-club like SafetyShitz). Only a moron like HanjoCommando can argue against objective mathematical FACTS and declare himself "right" and "correct" as if this changes the FACT that he is DIAMETRICALLY and FACTUALLY WRONG as per usual.
More intelligent conversation from the Preppie. Gotta wonder, if he can’t take even an ounce of pride in how he portrays himself on an adult dominated sports message board, how does he expect others to take his thoughts seriously.
If he wants to grow up and take part in civil and sensible discussion, I’ll be happy to participate. If not, well…let’s just say a mind is, indeed, a terrible thing to waste.
 
Straight out of the Preppie playbook.
When you can’t keep up in an intelligent conversation, call names like a snotty little girl.
Lando’s point was pretty clear: PSU has not defeated a team that has played good football this year. You can call him all the names you like, it doesn’t change the fact he is correct. And stating facts or reasonable opinions does not make anyone a bad fan.
It’s been this way for years on this board…every team PSU beats is bad…so it’s easy to always be “right” when you’re arguing subjectively.
 
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It’s been this way for years on this board…every team PSU beats is bad…so it’s easy to always be “right” when you’re arguing subjectively.

Be reminded, we aren't #4 in the nation. We didn't take OSU down to the wire.

Imagine these kids at PSU being told they hadn't played anyone. That's Loado's message. "Hey boys, you really aren't that good."
 
Be reminded, we aren't #4 in the nation. We didn't take OSU down to the wire.

Imagine these kids at PSU being told they hadn't played anyone. That's Loado's message. "Hey boys, you really aren't that good."
I literally said we should be ranked 3rd ahead of Texas. I don't have to pretend our opponents are better than they are to be impressed with the team. Simple concept. And they know the only team they've played that's good in Ohio State. They're not stupid.
 
Be reminded, we aren't #4 in the nation. We didn't take OSU down to the wire.

Imagine these kids at PSU being told they hadn't played anyone. That's Loado's message. "Hey boys, you really aren't that good."
And it’s been his message (and others) every single year. Yet at the beginning of the season, we hear how we will be lucky to win 8 games this year because the schedule is so tough, until we win 10, then it’s because the schedule was easy.
 
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And it’s been his message (and others) every single year. Yet at the beginning of the season, we hear how we will be lucky to win 8 games this year because the schedule is so tough, until we win 10, then it’s because the schedule was easy.

He's LoadoCommodo for a reason.
 
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And it’s been his message (and others) every single year. Yet at the beginning of the season, we hear how we will be lucky to win 8 games this year because the schedule is so tough, until we win 10, then it’s because the schedule was easy.
Lol...the expectation before the year was 10 or 11. USC was always said to be the 2nd toughest game.
The people picking us to lose are those that overvalue our opponents
 
I'm sorry. 80 is probably in the ballpark.
Yupp, 80 definitely got me in Northwestern--sounds like you're talking about yourself again
Maybe you could tell the Pens tonight they should blame the refs for being down 6-0 after 1
 
Yupp, 80 definitely got me in Northwestern--sounds like you're talking about yourself again
Maybe you could tell the Pens tonight they should blame the refs for being down 6-0 after 1

Sounds like they were going for a DEI acceptance.
 
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