Will Levis
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I'm still confused as to what you think I'm saying is negative. I never said he was "lied" to. I think they were honest during the recruitment that Clifford may or may not return. Allar appreciated the relationship and honored his commitment. I legitimately have said nothing negative regarding the situation at all.
No idea why you're talking about the application or Caleb Williams
Also, remember, I'm fine with how Harbaugh handled the Michigan QB situation so I'm not sure why you think I have any issue with how Franklin handled this.
How does this moron think the coaches determine the Depth Chart if not through a competitive process???
Coaches don't evaluate.....LOL
You've never been to a football practice in your life.
Which includes a Penn State practice.
It's incomprehensible that even a fanboy moron could not grasp how intense and extensive the evaluative process is and how many people are involved. This is serious business, and the position coaches and often the coordinators discuss the evaluations weekly. These athletes may not agree, but they are never in the dark about where they stand.
Saying there was no open competition is a negative.
Saying that he wasn't going to change plans 5 days out is an insinuation that he was misled.
Or, you are just covering your original statements in some attempt to be right. After all, you had to post 5 game predictions to show us how right you are in your analysis. You even wrote "just so you all can see I'm right" in the post.
Who said they don't evaluate?
This is the dumbest conversation I've ever had. Do you also think Paterno didn't go into spring knowing who he wanted to win the job? Do you think Saban and Smart don't?
Coaches aren't stupid--they have a plan
Who HE WANTED to win the job? A coach wants the best player at every position.
No it isn't--there's no such thing as an open competition. Ever.
How is it misleading him? Clifford makes the decision on his time table
No, I said something along the lines of "you can call me a moron even if I am right"
Evaluation is an assessment. If you have several people all being assessed/evaluated....it's a competition.
LOL--yeah, we don't see obvious patterns with coaches that stick with experience and only go to the higher rated recruit when their hands are forced
You're not this naive.
Did the Steelers have an open competition or was the plan always to start Trubisky?
What about the Cowboys? Are they going to keep Rush or go back to Dak?
Good lord you really are a moron.
Everything about football is competitive.
You play to win the game.
Therefore you play the players that have proven to give you the best opportunities to win.
They don't give a shit about some 4 star or 5 star ranking once they are on the team.
You do play to win the game and coaches have tendencies and beliefs on what they believe gives them the best chance. Correct--they don't give a shit about the ranking--most are going to go with the experience regardless of who does better in practice because practice can never ever make up for game experience. Right?
If you don't demonstrate skill and ability in practice, you don't ever get in the game.
Playing time is earned. This isn't intramurals.
What are you rambling on about? When there is a returning starting QB MOST coaches, including Franklin, will start that QB to start the year. The experience they have is huge and coaches like that. Just like the Steelers going with Trubisky. Experience matters. I'm not Allen Iverson yelling about practice. I'm just not delusional and understand simple concepts.
How do you get experience?
By demonstrating skill in practice and earning playing time.
Regardless of how much experience you have, if you continually underperform in games.....and someone is challenging you in practice......that someone is going to replace you.
You realize we're agreeing here--this is why Allar had no chance to start this season.
What is the problem?
You do realize we're talking about the QB position right?
Do I need to drop the word "open"? Maybe that's the problem.
If Clifford is making the decision on his timetable, how was Allar under the impression he was going to start 3 years? Is there an interview where he said it? Is it 5* confidence that you read between the lines that I didn't?
I'm sure there was a competition in the Steelers camp. Why didn't Tomlin go with Rudolph? He had the advantage of being in the offense for years prior. Experience with the teammates.
It's not like Pickett was this QB savant like Andrew Luck who everyone knew was going to be a pro since his junior year of HS. Pickett put together a great 6th year in college and looked like the best option in a weak draft class. Pickett might not even be the current best option, but the noise is getting loud for Tomlin. Desperate coaches make desperate decisions.
Correct--it's not an open competition. When has there ever been an open competition at QB? See Michigan this year--Harbaugh knew who he wanted to win the job and played it so he would have both QBs--right? Isn't that why this board was attacking him.
Tell me when you believe Penn State had an "open" competition at QB when their was a returning starter.
Yes, maybe "open" is our disagreement
I said 2-3 years meaning next year, his Junior year then the 3rd being his senior if he comes back
Because Mason failed repeatedly in the offense to the point Duck Hodges started. Trubisky had NFL game experience, took two Matt Nagy teams to the playoff and was the guy they targeted in Free Agency to bridge the gap.
The last paragraph we agree on completely. I believe Tomlin is more worried about "never having a losing season" than developing Kenny correctly.
Throwing the NFL in is just noise. You are getting into multi million dollar guaranteed money and other issues that aren't relevant to college. Front office guys get to pick one first round QB and they better be right.....LOL because of the monetary investment.
Okay--ignore the NFL part
That doesn't change the argument. Coaches are more comfortable, understandably, playing the guy they've seen do it in game action then the unknown. It's why the portal is so popular with veteran QBs.
I have to let you go. It isn't worth the loss of brain cells that result from reading your inane posts.
I'll just reluctantly put you on the can't helped list (ignore).
lol I always love when people say this--the second you have to claim you're putting someone on ignore instead of just doing it you lose all credibility.
The fact is you and your "moron" buddy are used to people just agreeing with the nonsense you say here
All you had to do was name an "open QB competition when we had a returning starter" but you know we haven't
Wrong. Go back and read my posts while he was here. I have been a big proponent of the Levis, Allar, Brady, Roethlisberger types of quarterbacks. Tall, strong-armed, with a focus on reading defensive backfields instead a focus on what the defensive end is doing.
I want a system closer to pro-style, and QBs that fit that system. I think we are much closer to having that now, but Levis is gone. I never liked the dual threat read option approach because it takes away the focus from a quarterback's passing development. Usually you start with QBs that are not that great at passing when you run a system like that.
Levis reminds me a lot of Kerry Collins. Collins was a 50% passer as a Junior. It took a few years for Kerry to develop. He excelled only as a senior, and even then with an extremely good supporting cast.
Someone on the field has to be able to pass well. This idea of trying to get another player by using the QB as an RB is foolish. Levis was at PSU when that was the idea for the PSU offense. He was only going to get one year. That's not enough to develop a quarterback that is a sleeper.
I'm not upset that "Roberson sucked." For one, he doesn't come close to fitting the type of quarterback that I would recruit. (He's rather small.). Second, I believe he was recruited to be a read-option quarterback. That's not the system I would run either.
The fact that Roberson showed no passing skills and couldn't take a snap doesn't surprise me at all. I don't agree with @marshall23. Practice doesn't make a quarterback. Roberson's performance in Iowa is proof. There is no substitute for game experience.
Handing off or running keepers in mop up time isn't relevant experience.
College is for the students, not football fans. If a kid has NFL potential, obviously true of Levis, then a school isn't preparing him for his profession by keeping him on the bench. If "competition" in practice isn't enough to impress, then you move on. Levis did that and I applaud the decision.
How precisely does he explain all the trFR who have received significant playing time for PSU to-date? Clearly, it was the result of the coaches' plan, not a competition evaluation in the pre-season.
So regardless of whether they demonstrated, promise or skill in any way shape or form in practice they were sent into the game? I guess you are correct.....they passed the hat at a team picnic and drew numbers ....and that's how playing time was determined?
For some reason QB seems to be the one position that is almost impossible to unseat the incumbent. Once a team picks who to go with they go that way. Clifford was not faced with a QB competition once he won the job in 2019. For better or worse that is a fact.
Some guys reach their ceiling earlier than others. I think Clifford is the classic high floor low ceiling type of QB based upon the type of play he has given PSU. Levis has a higher ceiling but also started with a lower floor. It took a while to catch up, but he did.
Some guys reach their ceiling earlier than others. I think Clifford is the classic high floor low ceiling type of QB based upon the type of play he has given PSU. Levis has a higher ceiling but also started with a lower floor. It took a while to catch up, but he did.
Remember way back when under Paterno when Tony Sacca was pressed into starting a few games into his true frosh year @ Temple I think? I recall Coach saying that it was one of the most nerve racking experiences for him because he "didn't know the kid sitting across the aisle from him (in the Starting QB seat) on the bus at all." So maybe there is favoritism (or comfort) with known quantities- same as any other profession. But I imagine that the pressure to win would cause any sane coach to go with their best opportunity for a W.
Sometimes Baptism By Fire ruins young QBs....just look at how many have shifted to other schools looking for redemption and/or a new start- Adrian Martinez amongst them. It feels like every game has a QB from some other place- UTenn vs LSU, Oklahoma. NW, Levis, WSU, Illini, IU, UW, South Carolina, USC, Fresno and on and on......just the way it is nowadays- no more 5 year plans.
As for the Star stuff vs. performance- UGa is the pick here- where somehow with all of their big recruits Stetson Bennett is running the offense. The longest of long shots who has just performed- and has not sat down. Trace McSorely of the South.... Earned his playing time good for him!
It seems insane to remember that Levis was our Plan B when Fields decommitted.....long, long time ago.
Can you imagine what their message boards were/are like? Vs Oregon, he probably was a Heisman frontrunner. Vs Kent State and Missouri, why are we playing this guy when we have future NFL talent behind him?
Uh yes. If Levis demonstrated he was a better QB in the 3 years he was here, he would have played. What “inside” information do you have that there wasn’t an open competition? Like I said elsewhere, people claiming Levis is a 1st round pick need to watch his performance against Mississippi. He had a couple of nice throws in the second half but all his throws in the first half were thrown at or just beyond the LOS. I get that Kentucky has a good run offense but a 1st round pick needs to show more than that. He also fumbled twice at the end of the game when Kentucky had a chance to pull the game out. The second one was when he showed lousy pocket presence.
I have never, not once, said Levis should have started or Franklin did anything wrong
There was not an open competition for QB. There almost never is at any school. That's not a shot at Clifford or Franklin or anyone else. That's reality.
I have no idea what round Levis gets drafted in but QBs typically go earlier than they should. I wouldn't take any QB in the first round (Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson or Jefferson) and wouldn't have taken Pickett in the first last year but teams will reach. I wouldn't be shocked if you were right but coaches often think they can fix that stuff.
I disagree. If you are better; you play. Levis wasn’t better. Last I checked Clifford is playing better than Levis this year. Clifford 9 TDS passing and 2 picks. Levis 12 and 4. Clifford with a higher QB rating.
