With Bo Jordan gone, 174 lbs is WIDE OPEN.

[NittanyChris]

Just gotta say it...I'm loving Bo Nickal's chances at this point. He's already dominated the #4 guy, Epperly, and Realbuto is FAR from unbeatable.
This weight class is really anyone's to win. Why not our incredibly talented freshman?

 

[burnsie1983]

I'd favor Realbuto at this point, but I agree that Bo has a great chance! Realbuto nearly lost to Riddick at the Binghamton Open, and has had a lot of other close matches, without having wrestled the toughest schedule. He may see Epperly and Blaise at the CKLV, so his results there will be telling.

 

[RoarLions1]

I think Realbuto will be fine. It's early, and he did go up 2 weight classes. Winning or losing this weekend, it'll still be good for him as he'll know where he stands. Not unusual at all to see an entirely different wrestler at the end of the season than what we see this early.

 

[jschrantz]

I think Realbuto will be fine. It's early, and he did go up 2 weight classes. Winning or losing this weekend, it'll still be good for him as he'll know where he stands. Not unusual at all to see an entirely different wrestler at the end of the season than what we see this early.

Gotta feel for Bo regardless of my dislike for the Bucks. Another year without a shot at a Title for him.

 

[NittanyChris]

Even if Realbuto is fine, he's not one of those dominant, intimidating #1s. Really love Nickal's chances!

 

[burnsie1983]

Gotta feel for Bo regardless of my dislike for the Bucks. Another year without a shot at a Title for him.

Bo Jordan isn't hurt, unless I've missed something. I think he's just moving down to 165.

 

[jschrantz]

Bo Jordan isn't hurt, unless I've missed something. I think he's just moving down to 165.

I know, I was more thinking about the best P4P in the country in Dieringer being there in his way. Kid is a horse

 

[burnsie1983]

Gotta feel for Bo regardless of my dislike for the Bucks. Another year without a shot at a Title for him.

I know, I was more thinking about the best P4P in the country in Dieringer being there in his way. Kid is a horse

Dieringer is very good, great even, but to say Jordan has no shot is a bit of a stretch.

 

[El-Jefe]

We'll know more after the Scuffle. I'm being cautious for 2 reasons, both tied to Nickal being a freshman:
- Freshmen struggle on bottom.
- Freshmen sometimes take less clean shots. Last year at nationals, Realbuto out-scrambled Ness.

 

[diggerpup]

We'll know more after the Scuffle. I'm being cautious for 2 reasons, both tied to Nickal being a freshman:
- Freshmen struggle on bottom.
- Freshmen sometimes take less clean shots. Last year at nationals, Realbuto out-scrambled Ness.

Instead of predicting a National Champ, let's just be content in stating Bo Jordan dropping to 165 leaves a cleaner path for Nickal to make the NCAA Semis Friday night.

That's a more reasonable prediction. And if PSU can get 5 wrestlers, maybe even 6 wrestlers into the NCAA Semis, PSU will be awfully though to beat.

 

[NittanyChris]

I'm not making any predictions at all, simply stating that I really like our man's chances now that the prohibitive favorite, Jordan, is gone from the division.
And for El-Jefe, fair enough, but I'll just ask you this question: is there ANY wrestler now at 174 against whom you would consider Nickal a huge underdog?

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Fu*k it, I'll make the prediction. He wins it all this year.

 

[El-Jefe]

Huge underdog? No. But there are a number of guys who could beat him in a tourney if he's dinged up or has a mental lapse.

I'd be wary of Riddick. IMO Nickal is the better wrestler, but Riddick has a Perry-like ability to stall every match into a 3-2 decision, where one minor mistake sends you to consis. We have yet to see how Nickal deals with that (cough) style.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Huge underdog? No. But there are a number of guys who could beat him in a tourney if he's dinged up or has a mental lapse.

I'd be wary of Riddick. IMO Nickal is the better wrestler, but Riddick has a Perry-like ability to stall every match into a 3-2 decision, where one minor mistake sends you to consis. We have yet to see how Nickal deals with that (cough) style.

Agree Jefe, Riddick gave Brown at least one close one. Wondering why Jordan is dropping to 65? He and Dieringer will prove to be interesting.

 

[El-Jefe]

Agree Jefe, Riddick gave Brown at least one close one. Wondering why Jordan is dropping to 65? He and Dieringer will prove to be interesting.

The rumor is that Ryan will pull Myles Martin's tanshirt. The current 165 may not qualify for nationals, and Martin could possibly reach the podium. The change in Jordan's score might be negligible -- he projects top 3 either way, but would likely get more bonus at 165.

I suspect the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because they're waiting to see how Hunter Stieber's elbows look. Officially he's to return next semester, though that seems optimistic. If he can't go (or can't score at nationals), then they're not contending for the national title with both Stieber and Snyder out, so may as well shirt Martin.

 

[KFM74]

How long do they have to decide exactly which weight he wrestles? Sorry not real knowledgeable here. Thanks.

 

[RoarLions1]

How long do they have to decide exactly which weight he wrestles? Sorry not real knowledgeable here. Thanks.

He has right up to the B1G Championships, as long as he follows the Weight Certification Rules (guessing he certed at 165), and the descent rules if he goes back up and must lose weight to get back to 165.

 

[jschrantz]

Dieringer is very good, great even, but to say Jordan has no shot is a bit of a stretch.

Ok, barring injury, Bo has little to no shot vs Dieringer.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

FWIW, Bo Jo is no longer listed as registered for Cliff Keen. Justin Kresevic is registered at 165 for tOSU, and Ryan Harris is listed as registered at 174 for tOSU.

I'm not sure if THIS LINK will work, but it's a listing by team of those registered for Cliff Keen. If it doesn't work, try THIS LINK then select the hyperlink for "Cliff Keen Las Vegas Registration- Dec 4 - Dec 5" and then the radio button for "By Team" on the right hand column of the screen that appears.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Ok, barring injury, Bo has little to no shot vs Dieringer.

He has a shot only if he's learned to get out from bottom. He got ridden like a donkey by Isaac and Ringer. He's still really, really good, but that problem stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

FWIW, Bo Jo is no longer listed as registered for Cliff Keen. Justin Kresevic is registered at 165 for tOSU, and Ryan Harris is listed as registered at 174 for tOSU.

I'm not sure if THIS LINK will work, but it's a listing by team of those registered for Cliff Keen. If it doesn't work, try THIS LINK then select the hyperlink for "Cliff Keen Las Vegas Registration- Dec 4 - Dec 5" and then the radio button for "By Team" on the right hand column of the screen that appears.

That's a bummer. No word on the Buckeye board. Wonder if he's dinged up?

 

[NoVa Lion]

That's a bummer. No word on the Buckeye board. Wonder if he's dinged up?

Or maybe they didn't calculate the weight descent correctly since he just wrestled at 174 on 11/24, which was a Tuesday. I can see them thinking he had 2 full weeks worth of allowable cuts.

 

[ZepGraffiti]

FWIW, Bo Jo is no longer listed as registered for Cliff Keen. Justin Kresevic is registered at 165 for tOSU, and Ryan Harris is listed as registered at 174 for tOSU.



Might as well zip over here & enter PSU Open. Get this Bo vs Bo thing started

 

[lionlover]

That's a bummer. No word on the Buckeye board. Wonder if he's dinged up?

One poster on the Iowa board made a point out of how Ryan will duck his better wrestlers before they meet later in the year.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

One poster on the Iowa board made a point out of how Ryan will duck his better wrestlers before they meet later in the year.

I won't say it with as much spittle-flecked vehemence as that guy (Gable73 also hates Cael for a laundry-list of reasons), but Ryan has seemingly done that a time or two. Not saying that's the case here - seems like NoVa's theory makes way more sense.

 

[lionlover]

I won't say it with as much spittle-flecked vehemence as that guy (Gable73 also hates Cael for a laundry-list of reasons), but Ryan has seemingly done that a time or two. Not saying that's the case here - seems like NoVa's theory makes way more sense.

Of course you won't; you are a class act! Truth be told, I was kicked off the board there several years ago because I was....defending Ryan! They were trashing him unmercifully. But, that's the pattern.

1) Sanderson got trashed a lot too (Can recruit, but can't coach, etc). Then the dissenters become less vocal as he continues to win championships.

2) Ryan got trashed a lot (Chokes, always a bridesmaid, etc). Then he won the championship last year...and they become less vocal.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Of course you won't; you are a class act! Truth be told, I was kicked off the board there several years ago because I was....defending Ryan! They were trashing him unmercifully. But, that's the pattern.

1) Sanderson got trashed a lot too (Can recruit, but can't coach, etc). Then the dissenters become less vocal as he continues to win championships.

2) Ryan got trashed a lot (Chokes, always a bridesmaid, etc). Then he won the championship last year...and they become less vocal.

The Midwest wrestling mafia doesn't like competition at times. I saw the slagging off of tOSU until they came up big.

The Cael can't coach brigade remind me of the Japanese soldiers who didn't know WWII was over and were coming out of the Phillipine jungle decades later. He'll just have to keep slapping them into reality by winning trophies.

 

[NittanyChris]

Back to the original point of this thread, for a moment. Of course anyone can beat anyone on a given day. That said, if Jordan is at 165, who would Bo Nickal be favored against or be underdog to out of the top 5 guys? I'd say:
Realbuto- slight dog
Crutchmer - slight dog
Meyer - pick em
Epperly - favorite
Butler - favorite

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Back to the original point of this thread, for a moment. Of course anyone can beat anyone on a given day. That said, if Jordan is at 165, who would Bo Nickal be favored against or be underdog to out of the top 5 guys? I'd say:
Realbuto- slight dog
Crutchmer - slight dog
Meyer - pick em
Epperly - favorite
Butler - favorite

I'd say he'd be favored against Meyer (hasn't been impressive this year), pick em with Crutchmer, but I think Bo is more skilled (think Q v Kilgore), and pick em with BR.

Bo is showing us why he was such a mega recruit.

 

[07mantle]

I'd say he'd be favored against Meyer (hasn't been impressive this year), pick em with Crutchmer, but I think Bo is more skilled (think Q v Kilgore), and pick em with BR.

Bo is showing us why he was such a mega recruit.

I don't see Bo as a 'dog' to any of those guys ..... see him as a pick'm to slight fav against all of them...... Bo is one of those 'special' wrestlers ...as is Nolf ...I think Nolf and IMar is gonna be fun...not predicting the winner but I will predict the over /under at about 32 pts for the match ....lol

 

[AgSurfer]

Back to the original point of this thread, for a moment. Of course anyone can beat anyone on a given day. That said, if Jordan is at 165, who would Bo Nickal be favored against or be underdog to out of the top 5 guys? I'd say:
Realbuto- slight dog
Crutchmer - slight dog
Meyer - pick em
Epperly - favorite
Butler - favorite

Take a look at the CKLV finals. Bryce Hammond vs Realbuto. We saw what Bo did to Hammond at CSUB. It could be argued that Bo caught him off balance or whatever to get the pin, but from what I saw, I don't think Hammond would have made the match close if he hadn't been pinned. Let's see how he does against Realbuto.

 

[NittanyChris]

I agree the CKLV finals match is interesting, AgSurfer. That said, I'm not a huge fan of this guy beat this guy who beat this guy comparisons. Everybody matches up differently so it's kind of hard to gain much. But, again, really love Bo's chances.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Below are the finals matchups at CKLV

125lbs: #1-Nathan Tomasello, TOSU vs #3-Joey Dance, VT
133lbs: #1-Cody Brewer, Oklahoma vs #5-Nahshon Garrett, Cornell
141lbs: #20-Micah Jordan, TOSU vs #10-Todd Preston, Harvard
149lbs: #4-Lavion Mayes, Missouri vs Jake Short, Minnesota
157lbs: #2-Ian Miller, Kent State vs John Boyle, American
165lbs: #2-Isaac Jordan, Wisconsin vs Chad Welch, Purdue
174lbs: #3-Brian Realbuto, Cornell vs #15-Bryce Hammond, CSUB
184lbs: #1-Gabe Dean, Cornell vs #12-Domenic Abounader, Michigan
197lbs: #2-J’Den Cox, Missouri vs #6-Brett Pfarr, Minnesota
285lbs: #2-Ty Walz, VT vs #7-Michael Kroells, Minnesota

 

[KidNittany]

Below are the finals matchups at CKLV

125lbs: #1-Nathan Tomasello, TOSU vs #3-Joey Dance, VT
133lbs: #1-Cody Brewer, Oklahoma vs #5-Nahshon Garrett, Cornell
141lbs: #20-Micah Jordan, TOSU vs #10-Todd Preston, Harvard
149lbs: #4-Lavion Mayes, Missouri vs Jake Short, Minnesota
157lbs: #2-Ian Miller, Kent State vs John Boyle, American
165lbs: #2-Isaac Jordan, Wisconsin vs Chad Welch, Purdue
174lbs: #3-Brian Realbuto, Cornell vs #15-Bryce Hammond, CSUB
184lbs: #1-Gabe Dean, Cornell vs #12-Domenic Abounader, Michigan
197lbs: #2-J’Den Cox, Missouri vs #6-Brett Pfarr, Minnesota
285lbs: #2-Ty Walz, VT vs #7-Michael Kroells, Minnesota

Champs are Tomasello, Garrett, Jordan, Mayes, Miller, Jordan, Realbuto, Dean, Cox and Walz

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Champs are Tomasello, Garrett, Jordan, Mayes, Miller, Jordan, Realbuto, Dean, Cox and Walz

so from a Flo rankings perspective, the only upsets in the finals were Garrett over Brewer, and Jordan over Preston. Brewer is a national champ, so his losing is pretty, though you could argue that Garrett was underrated, or at least a very dangerous #5 ranked. The score was 14-9. I didn't see it, but a score like that suggests an interesting match. CP has been saying that Jordan was likely to go higher, so I'm not sure how much of an upset his defeating Preston was.

NaTo defeated Dance by a 5-4 score. Again, I didn't see any of the finals, but that score suggests a very close, and very entertaining match.

The scores for all the CKLV finals are below

125lbs: #1-Nathan Tomasello, TOSU dec. #3-Joey Dance, VT 5-4
133lbs: #5-Nahshon Garrett, Cornell dec. #1-Cody Brewer, Oklahoma 14-9
141lbs: #20-Micah Jordan, TOSU dec. #10-Todd Preston, Harvard 7-3
149lbs: #4-Lavion Mayes, Missouri dec. Jake Short, Minnesota 8-6
157lbs: #2-Ian Miller, Kent State dec. John Boyle, American 6-2
165lbs: #2-Isaac Jordan, Wisconsin dec. Chad Welch, Purdue 5-3
174lbs: #3-Brian Realbuto, Cornell mdec. #15-Bryce Hammond, CSUB 11-1
184lbs: #1-Gabe Dean, Cornell mdec. #12-Domenic Abounader, Michigan 15-6
197lbs: #2-J’Den Cox, Missouri dec. #6-Brett Pfarr, Minnesota 4-1
285lbs: #2-Ty Walz, VT dec. #7-Michael Kroells, Minnesota 5-3

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

so from a Flo rankings perspective, the only upsets in the finals were Garrett over Brewer, and Jordan over Preston. Brewer is a national champ, so his losing is pretty, though you could argue that Garrett was underrated, or at least a very dangerous #5 ranked. The score was 14-9. I didn't see it, but a score like that suggests an interesting match.

Brewer threw Garrett to his back and was up 6-0 in the first period. After that it was all Nahshon.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Brewer threw Garrett to his back and was up 6-0 in the first period. After that it was all Nahshon.

It was 7-2 Garrett was up 2-1 before the throw and stormed his way back for the win

 

[dunkej01]

couple of quick take aways..

125 NaTO was the aggressor the entire match and won on a stall call as dance did nothing. he got a slick go behind on NaTo s action in the 2nd period but other than that did nothing from his feet. NaTo just so strong in all the positions, I really would give him the edge against nico.
133 garrett destroyed brewer, outside of the lat drop, garret went through, over and through again on brewer. garret had offense and he had counter offense, his reshots were crisp. Brewers strength didnt show up either like it did last year. Garrett is the man if he stays focused. Big Red could have 3 champs/finalists just not enough behind them to win the championship.
141 Micah Jordan is a beast. His length strength and somehow despite the cut has the motor. He will be in the title hunt
149 Short looks good rnd of 12 to low podium however is his ceiling I think this year. Will be fun to watch in the years to come.
157-165 didnt watch
174 Realbuto vs Bo in the scuffle semis will be fun as I think Crutchmer may get the high side. I really think this is a push right now today.
184 courts looked off. Good for McC as he should be moving up.
197 Pfarr looks tough here, could give MM some problems controlling his wrists and work from his feet.
hwt-too bad NN has the injury I think he could of had some fun too this year.

Heading up to the NLO today for the semis/finals. Will try to post what I can.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

It was 7-2 Garrett was up 2-1 before the throw and stormed his way back for the win

Flo has made the Garrett - Brewer final available, and it can be accessed at THIS LINK.

it's a good match.

enjoy

 

[PSU-Knocker]

it's a good match.

That it was!