Naked. You love to leave out naked hugging. That is the transparently disingenuous part of your posts.I don't care if you leave this thread or not.
Hugging and horseplay are not mutually exclusive.
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Naked. You love to leave out naked hugging. That is the transparently disingenuous part of your posts.I don't care if you leave this thread or not.
Hugging and horseplay are not mutually exclusive.
Sigh.Naked. You love to leave out naked hugging. That is the transparently disingenuous part of your posts.
Ok. They were naked in a group shower together. Of course they were hugging!Sigh.
Naked =/= sexual
They were in a shower. Of course they were naked.
Not appropriate behavior. But not sexual. And not illegal.
Sexual!Ok. They were naked in a group shower together. Of course they were hugging!
Hugging does not equal sexual. Naked hugging? Yeah, most likely that’s sexual.
Except that it isn't.Ok. They were naked in a group shower together. Of course they were hugging!
Hugging does not equal sexual. Naked hugging? Yeah, most likely that’s sexual.
You think. You don’t know any more than I do. I side with the investigator who thought it was illegal.Except that it isn't.
I'll side with the DA (who ranks higher than the investigator) who thought it was not a chargeable offense.You think. You don’t know any more than I do. I side with the investigator who thought it was illegal.
Alright, I’m ducking out of this thread. Enjoy the echo chamber.
Connor, you know you'll be back. (And I don't disagree with everything you have to say, just some.)You think. You don’t know any more than I do. I side with the investigator who thought it was illegal.
Alright, I’m ducking out of this thread. Enjoy the echo chamber.
And other stuff of note -A.) Check the Altoona GJ report on bishop abuse. There were several instances documented, including a letter from one DA in the 1970s stating that he was going to do exactly that. The opening scene of Spotlight is based on incidents of DAs hushing up cases in Boston in the 1970s.
B.) Check McChesney's notes. The police report on this individual contains even more detail.
C.) I have an email in front of me stating "That was Ray and my case in 1998...and unfortunately, RG's decision NOT to prosecute if he received help with the problem (with parent's blessing) backfired 10 yrs later..." He communicated similar messages to other people I've spoken to.
D.) Amendola request in discovery in February 2012...asks for Karen Arnold police interview citing " extensive disagreements" between Arnold and Gricar in regard to the 1998 case.
What do you mean by documented? Investigated by the police? Two that I know of. The ‘98 man-boy shower investigated at the time and the McQueary incident investigated years later. I’m not a historian on all of this by any means so there have been others but these two are confirmed by Jerry.
You seem to be involved with people involved in this case. Are you aware of anybody that witnessed Jerry showering with TSM boys in group showers seeing him lathering them up and hugging them while they were present to witness it? If so, that would make some movement towards his innocence. If he really was so absolutely clueless to proper interactions between a man and a child he is working with, his practices should have been the same whether other people could see him or not. If not, it would make your typical person wonder why it would be different.
Sort of...yeah nobody ever is in prison who is ultimately innocent, that's a good point
think of it this way, if you believe that Jerry is innocent, as francofan obviously does and has stated, why would you not argue and fight for him? because if he is innocent it is just about the worst thing in the world when you think about it....a dude who just wanted to help young kids being put in jail while some of the kids he actually helped turn on him
when this whole thing started I said to my wife and my friends that the worst thing is that there are no good endings to this story, either Jerry didn't do any of this and it won't matter because everyone will hate him and his name will be mud forever which is horrible, or the only worse thing which would be he did do it and all these poor boys were subjected to that
I am not ready to say that Jerry is innocent but it sure looks different from the story that most of America knows doesn't it?
I listened to this entire podcast.John Ziegler has secured interviews with 2 major figures (from the good side) before the 10th anniversary of the firing of Joe Paterno. I am guessing that Graham Spanier might be one of them based on what Ziegler said in his last podcast regarding Gary Schultz's conversation with Graham. I would be pleasantly surprised if the second interview was with Tim Curley, but that is probably not the case.
Anybody have any idea who the second major figure is? I doubt that it is Jay Paterno. It is probably not Anthony Lubrano. Any other candidates?
I listened to this entire podcast.
JZ made some EXCELLENT points, however:
It will NOT change the views of the “court of public opinion” even remotely in the slightest.
WTBOH is incredibly important for this reason. If you are truly curious as to what really happened, John lays it all out in fine detail. We now know definitively that the entire case against Sandusky is complete and utter BS. But we’ll keep pretending otherwise as this is Penn State’s version of “the big lie”.I don't think WTBOH has made a major dent in the court of public opinion; however I think that it has at least made a slight change. In the set of people who have followed the case closely, I think it has made a major dent. If WTBOH was able to team up with a national outlet who can produce something similar to the Making of a Murderer or Outcry then I believe that public opinion would change. The story is out there and it is credible. What is will take imo it for a major media outlet to have the guts to tell the story of what actually happened in spite of the toxic nature of the subject matter.
I agree with everything you said!I don't think WTBOH has made a major dent in the court of public opinion; however I think that it has at least made a slight change. In the set of people who have followed the case closely, I think it has made a major dent. If WTBOH was able to team up with a national outlet who can produce something similar to the Making of a Murderer or Outcry then I believe that public opinion would change. The story is out there and it is credible. What it will take imo it for a major media outlet to have the guts to tell the story of what actually happened in spite of the toxic nature of the subject matter.
Gary Schultz?John Ziegler has secured interviews with 2 major figures (from the good side) before the 10th anniversary of the firing of Joe Paterno. I am guessing that Graham Spanier might be one of them based on what Ziegler said in his last podcast regarding Gary Schultz's conversation with Graham. I would be pleasantly surprised if the second interview was with Tim Curley, but that is probably not the case.
Anybody have any idea who the second major figure is? I doubt that it is Jay Paterno. It is probably not Anthony Lubrano. Any other candidates?
Ziegler has already released 2 extensive interviews he has done with Gary.Gary Schultz?
Ziegler tweeted that he interviewed 2 major figures in the scandal today: Graham Spanier and Sandusky's adopted son EJ and his wife Heather.John Ziegler has secured interviews with 2 major figures (from the good side) before the 10th anniversary of the firing of Joe Paterno. I am guessing that Graham Spanier might be one of them based on what Ziegler said in his last podcast regarding Gary Schultz's conversation with Graham. I would be pleasantly surprised if the second interview was with Tim Curley, but that is probably not the case.
Anybody have any idea who the second major figure is? I doubt that it is Jay Paterno. It is probably not Anthony Lubrano. Any other candidates?
The final 2 episodes of WTBOH will drop next week.Ziegler tweeted that he interviewed 2 major figures in the scandal today: Graham Spanier and Sandusky's adopted son EJ and his wife Heather.
Ain’t gonna change the narrative 1 iota.The final 2 episodes of WTBOH will drop next week.
On Tuesday, the exclusive interview of Jerry and Dottie's son EJ Sandusky and his wife Heather will drop.
On Thurday, the interview with former Penn State President Graham Spanier will drop.
Ain’t gonna change the narrative 1 iota.