Won't get fooled again- The Collegian

[Nitt1300]

Shame on me for looking, there was a headline that looked like it might be worth reading. Got to the second or third sentence before it went south. Apparently, we "deserved" the sanctions.


Message to PSU fundraising- lose my phone number.

 

[NittPicker]

The Collegian is a joke. The students there enjoy having their heads up the ass of Old Main.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Shame on me for looking, there was a headline that looked like it might be worth reading. Got to the second or third sentence before it went south. Apparently, we "deserved" the sanctions.


Message to PSU fundraising- lose my phone number.

I don't know what's going on with that paper and the students there. Certainly don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but working in DC I get a lot of summer internship applications from schools all over the country. And, actually got one from a Penn State student. His personal statement was so poorly written I didn't even consider him for an interview.

 

[Nitt1300]

The Collegian is a joke. The students there enjoy have their heads up the ass of Old Main.

I now and then foolishly hope that the PSU of my youth can exist again- if it ever did.

Shame on me for even thinking that.

 

[nits74]

I now and then foolishly hope that the PSU of my youth can exist again- if it ever did.

Shame on me for even thinking that.

Interesting. I also have this same mindset. I always placed Penn State on pedestal, but now I see that we're no better than any of the other schools. (I'm talking about our leadership such as the BOT.) Perhaps our, if you will, arrogance was sorely misplaced. Silver lining is that I think I've grown to a degree and have adjusted my priorities. And I feel OK about that.

 

[FHSPSU67]

I can remember telling people that the PSU experience was so much more than football. I can't say that any longer - I've joined the ranks of the football only, and even that is so much less important

 

[LurkerLazarus]

I've got the PSU phone numbers blocked on my phone. I got tired of asking them when they were going to come clean with the truth, and not get a response.

 

[BBrown]

The Collegian is a joke. The students there enjoy having their heads up the ass of Old Main.

Yea I remember when the Student Newspaper was not the mouthpiece of the BOTS and Old Main.

 

[BBrown]

I don't know what's going on with that paper and the students there. Certainly don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but working in DC I get a lot of summer internship applications from schools all over the country. And, actually got one from a Penn State student. His personal statement was so poorly written I didn't even consider him for an interview.

Thats a good question because the Journ dept. at PSU is "supposedly" much better then when I was there in the 80's...so far I'm not seeing it.

 

[bcspsu]

I don't know what's going on with that paper and the students there. Certainly don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but working in DC I get a lot of summer internship applications from schools all over the country. And, actually got one from a Penn State student. His personal statement was so poorly written I didn't even consider him for an interview.

Like I've said before, so much of "higher" education now consists of dolts who teach and transform young adults into new dolts, and you see the results. It's a shame that parents have to shell out upwards of $200,000.00 just so their child can obtain a piece of paper so he or she can get a decent job while being indoctrinated and taking ridiculous and meaningless courses. More kids should go to trade school rather than attend these universities.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Like I've said before, so much of "higher" education now consists of dolts who teach and transform young adults into new dolts, and you see the results. It's a shame that parents have to shell out upwards of $200,000.00 just so their child can obtain a piece of paper so he or she can get a decent job while being indoctrinated and taking ridiculous and meqan

Well, the plus side is the resumes and personal statements I get from students from other schools (Brown, Yale, Virginia, etc.) are very well written, so there's that.

 

[bcspsu]

I can remember telling people that the PSU experience was so much more than football. I can't say that any longer - I've joined the ranks of the football only, and even that is so much less important ):

I agree with you. Based on what has happened at this place since November 2011, I only care about how PSU does athletically, and I'm not ashamed to say this, and I don't care what others think about it.

 

[Nitt1300]

I agree with you. Based on what has happened at this place since November 2011, I only care about how PSU does athletically, and I'm not ashamed to say this, and I don't care what others think about it.

I can understand that, I really can. The problem I have with it isn't that I really disagree, it's that it just isn't enough. If all I'm going to care about is sports, the pros are better, and less hypocritical about what they are.

 

[PSUArnie]

Shame on me for looking, there was a headline that looked like it might be worth reading. Got to the second or third sentence before it went south. Apparently, we "deserved" the sanctions.


Message to PSU fundraising- lose my phone number.

Now don't be mean. You'll hurt their feelings.

 

[BobPSU92]

I hate us.

 

[Obliviax]

There is this recent desire to "self-loath". We see this is the anti-USA history that has been in vogue in the last ten years or so. For example, there is this current love affair with the "Nobel native american", which is all well and good. But a brief true historical accounting of native american tribes will show you that most of them were pretty darn bloody and predatory in their own right. This is not to say what settlers did was right or wrong, but to say that this is a nuanced issue and and broad brush approach is patently wrong. same is true of America's role in slavery. This was not a USA specific issue, but a worldwide issue (African countries as well).

My point is that people have this need to self loath today. These kids want to "anti" and feel like they are smarter than everyone else. Add to that the kids going to PSU today were not there during the Spanier period or the scandal (now, seven years old).

Bottom line? They are kids and don't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

One could also read that paragraph as saying the sanctions rightfully caused the program to be struck down (i.e. lose more). In other words, not as a comment on the righteousness of placing sanctions against Penn State.

 

[Cyclingmik]

Are the students in lock step with admin or worse yet the admin is in step with the students?

 

[psuro]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

So, why not respond to the opinion piece directly?

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Well, the plus side is the resumes and personal statements I get from students from other schools (Brown, Yale, Virginia, etc.) are very well written, so there's that.

Do you notice the difference between the writing of UVA in-state v. out-of-state students?

 

[Art]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

The ""and rightfully so" comment was, within the context of the piece, entirely gratuitous.

And the connection to the PSU Administration? Said Administration has done nothing to counteract the narrative in which such comments flourish. Indeed, one could make a case that they've aided and abetted it.

 

[Zenophile]

The ""and rightfully so" comment was, within the context of the piece, entirely gratuitous.

And the connection to the PSU Administration? Said Administration has done nothing to counteract the narrative in which such comments flourish. Indeed, one could make a case that they've aided and abetted it.

Indeed this is part of “the plan.”

 

[Nitt1300]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

Maybe I can make it clearer- the kid who wrote the article was maybe 7 when the Sandusky thing broke- so he couldn't actually "know" what happened, he had to have been "taught" what happened- presumably while a student at PSU. And if these are the lessons being taught at PSU, I will not support that.

 

[fairgambit]

The ""and rightfully so" comment was, within the context of the piece, entirely gratuitous.
And the connection to the PSU Administration? Said Administration has done nothing to counteract the narrative in which such comments flourish. Indeed, one could make a case that they've aided and abetted it.

Exactly right.

 

[Diego Badman]

The article in question is an opinion piece in the Daily Collegian. You can access it at THIS LINK.

The paragraph in question is:

"Since Penn State upset Ohio State in 2016, we’ve witnessed the meteoric rise of a program which was struck down by sanctions — and rightfully so — followed by relative constancy as one of the nation’s top-20 teams. McSorley is a main contributor to that continued success, and his toughness and big-play capability came at a time Penn State needed it most."

It does pain me that a current junior at PSU (majoring in Broadcast Journalism with minors in Psychology and International Studies) would be this ignorant of what happened in 2011. That said, I don't quite get the connection that many of you seem to be drawing between the opinion piece in the Daily Collegian, and actions (including fundraising) of the PSU administration.

I think, Tom, it is the non-effort by anyone in Penn State's administration to ever try to bring any balance back to the subject. Barron says he's going to review the Freeh Report, for example. I really think he meant it at the time he said it. But, most of us believe, rightly or wrongly, that he was pulled aside by those who hired him, and told that he was not going to do that.

Logical-thinking Penn Staters and others know that there is a story to tell that does not mesh with the narrative. There are too many things which do not make sense.

So, we're left with thinking that the illogical opinion of a Junior has been greatly influenced by the Penn State administration and its unwillingness to set the record straight.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Do you notice the difference between the writing of UVA in-state v. out-of-state students?

No. Please explain the difference.

 

[Art]

Indeed this is part of “the plan.”

View embedded media

Thirty seconds of useless air.

 

[Zenophile]

Thirty seconds of useless air.

Yup. And the video's worthless also.

 

[kgilbert78]

There is this recent desire to "self-loath". We see this is the anti-USA history that has been in vogue in the last ten years or so. For example, there is this current love affair with the "Nobel native american", which is all well and good. But a brief true historical accounting of native american tribes will show you that most of them were pretty darn bloody and predatory in their own right. This is not to say what settlers did was right or wrong, but to say that this is a nuanced issue and and broad brush approach is patently wrong. same is true of America's role in slavery. This was not a USA specific issue, but a worldwide issue (African countries as well).

My point is that people have this need to self loath today. These kids want to "anti" and feel like they are smarter than everyone else. Add to that the kids going to PSU today were not there during the Spanier period or the scandal (now, seven years old).

Bottom line? They are kids and don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Re: slavery--what is almost never acknowledged is that many coastal African peoples had a role in enslaving those further inland. Again--the reality is nuanced, as you noted. I noticed the omission of this when I went to the Underground Railroad Museum in Cincy a few years back--as well as the playing of the melody for Amazing Grace, but no mention of the words or the backstory (an ex-slaver wrote it). A buddy of mine had a lot of documents from his family (who ran a "stop" on the UR in Ohio) that he tried to give copies of to the museum--and there was no interest. I guess it didn't match the metanarrative they wanted.

 

[denniskembala]

Shame on me for looking, there was a headline that looked like it might be worth reading. Got to the second or third sentence before it went south. Apparently, we "deserved" the sanctions.


Message to PSU fundraising- lose my phone number.

The Collegian and their bullshit proves they are about as much about Penn State as our BoT and the student government resume padding clowns.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

No. Please explain the difference.

For a public school, UVA notoriously attracts top-flight out-of-state talent. I've heard several times (pretty consistently) from professors, and TAs there that they can tell the difference based solely on the work product.

I assume the it's probably not entirely accurate, which is why I asked. I'm guessing a meh paper may more likely be an in-state student's work, whereas excellent work may have been written by either. Just curious to see if you noticed either way.

 

[BobPSU92]

There is this recent desire to "self-loath". We see this is the anti-USA history that has been in vogue in the last ten years or so. For example, there is this current love affair with the "Nobel native american", which is all well and good. But a brief true historical accounting of native american tribes will show you that most of them were pretty darn bloody and predatory in their own right. This is not to say what settlers did was right or wrong, but to say that this is a nuanced issue and and broad brush approach is patently wrong. same is true of America's role in slavery. This was not a USA specific issue, but a worldwide issue (African countries as well).

My point is that people have this need to self loath today. These kids want to "anti" and feel like they are smarter than everyone else. Add to that the kids going to PSU today were not there during the Spanier period or the scandal (now, seven years old).

Bottom line? They are kids and don't have a clue what they are talking about.

I hate U.S.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Maybe I can make it clearer- the kid who wrote the article was maybe 7 when the Sandusky thing broke- so he couldn't actually "know" what happened, he had to have been "taught" what happened- presumably while a student at PSU. And if these are the lessons being taught at PSU, I will not support that.

While I get your premise, a current junior (age 20-21) would’ve been twice the age that you mentioned in 2011. Now a 13-14 year old may not have understood the nuances of what was going on vis-à-vis Sandusky, but certainly he was able to comprehend a great deal more than the 7 year old you referenced.

 

[Nitt1300]

While I get your premise, a current junior (age 20-21) would’ve been twice the age that you mentioned in 2011. Now a 13-14 year old may not have understood the nuances of what was going on vis-à-vis Sandusky, but certainly he was able to comprehend a great deal more than the 7 year old you referenced.

my mistake- but yeah, same thing, pretty much

 

[royboy]

One could also read that paragraph as saying the sanctions rightfully caused the program to be struck down (i.e. lose more). In other words, not as a comment on the righteousness of placing sanctions against Penn State.

So we hope that young journalist is merely a poor communicator, not ignorant of the full story about his school?

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

So we hope that young journalist is merely a poor communicator, not ignorant of the full story about his school?

Seeing as how poorly the generation communicates, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

My point in posting what I did was to say that there is more than one interpretation to the comment. But there's no sense in letting that get in the way of the BWI crusaders.

 

[Art]

Seeing as how poorly the generation communicates, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

My point in posting what I did was to say that there is more than one interpretation to the comment. But there's no sense in letting that get in the way of the BWI crusaders.

The word the little dipshit used was "deserved." Hard to interpret that in more ways than one.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

The word the little dipshit used was "deserved." Hard to interpret that in more ways than one.

The word "deserved" does not appear in the article Tom linked, nor the paragraph Tom posted.

 

[nits74]

Exactly right.

And should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of knowledge about what happened in 2011/2012.