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Ah, I see. My impression is that most students at UVA are pretty impressive and stack up pretty well against their private school contemporaries.
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Ah, I see. My impression is that most students at UVA are pretty impressive and stack up pretty well against their private school contemporaries.
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No, but 'rightfully so' does. Not exactly the same as 'deserved', but pretty close.
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That's possible- if English is the kid's third language, maybe.
If you think that today's Penn State students are going to research the BWI/McAndrew board or Mark Pendergast's book or Ray Blehar's blog, etc., before they write a story referencing the Sandusky Scandal, you are really naive. Outside of the people who congregate on this message board, no one cares anymore about the "truth beneath the narrative."
Keep in mind, too, that not all students who write for the Collegian, maybe not even the majority of them, are Journalism majors. So, try to be less shocked when a Collegian story appears that does not pay homage to the assumption that Penn State was wronged and was totally innocent.
Keep in mind, too, that not all students who write for the Collegian, maybe not even the majority of them, are Journalism majors. So, try to be less shocked when a Collegian story appears that does not pay homage to the assumption that Penn State was wronged and was totally innocent.
The writer in this case is a broadcast journalism major, if that counts. And his column wasn't even remotely related to whether the sanctions were justified, but he couldn't pass up the opportunity to say that they were. Maybe an excuse can be made that he didn't know better, The same can't be said for his editors.
Don’t worry, after a few years in the real world where they have to pay bills and taxes, they will grow out of their thinking. There is a cure for youth .
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“Rightfully so” is pretty close. Could be excusing PSU’s down on-field performance, but that wouldn’t be the more likely interp.
Either an ill-informed writer or a writer/editorial staff who wet the bed... all are free to choose.
I mean this with the utmost respect: You really have no clue how poorly people write today.
When I worked (I received a paycheck) for the Daily Collegian , it was completely independent of the Journalism School. One should not reflect on the other although most employees (Yes, we were employees) of the Collegian are JSchool students. Having said that, the particular reporter's lack of knowledge, and the editors' lack of editorial supervision, reflect poorly on the publication's judgement and credibility
I once loved Penn State and eveything it stood for. Football games were just a reason to return to the university that I loved.
Then I was accused of having a culture problem as it related to sports, primarily football.
Post Nov 11, and now I only care about Penn State athletics. And even that isn’t to the degree it once was.
Isn’t it ironic that it took the accusations of the talking heads, BOT, and media to turn me into the person that I was accused of being before Nov 11?
Then I was accused of having a culture problem as it related to sports, primarily football.
Post Nov 11, and now I only care about Penn State athletics. And even that isn’t to the degree it once was.
Isn’t it ironic that it took the accusations of the talking heads, BOT, and media to turn me into the person that I was accused of being before Nov 11?
My daughter is a junior at PSU and having a phenomenal experience academically and socially so I am glad that she is at PSU. It's too bad that some of you have allowed your view of the Sandusky scandal to cloud your judgment about the school itself. My son was a student-athlete at the school in 2011 as a freshman and, with the exception of the few months following the scandal, had an otherwise fantastic experience during his time there.
Not really trying to change minds here, you feel how you feel, but just thought I'd add my 2cents as a parent of a recent graduate and current student. It may no longer be a special place to you for whatever reasons but I can tell you for certain that it is a special place to the young men and women that have recently graduated as well as current students.
If they dont care about the truth of a particular topic they are writing about, then it is not journalism. It is advertising.
I sold classified ads for The Collegian for 2 years part time, back in time before Al Gore invented the internet.
Remember when we liked Penn State? Yeah, neither do I.
I hate us.
I hate us.
I am happy for you and your kids. Having said that, this statement strikes me as odd: " too bad that some of you have allowed your view of the Sandusky scandal to cloud your judgment ". I don't feel like I 'allowed' this to happen or that it "clouds my judgement". Reagan was once asked why he left the Democratic party and he said "I didn't leave them, they left me." I feel that way about PSU. Perhaps it was always there and I never saw it. Regardless, PSU is tied to the local politicians and is as corrupt as any location in the nation. What is worse is that the combination of public funding and lack of transparency in governance is ruining the school.
Sandusky is the symptom, and not the cause.
An unholy alliance between school, govt, and charity (sprinkling in lack of transparency) are making PSU no different than any other corrupt organization. It is what it is.
It's your fault for ever thinking there wasn't an "unholy alliance between school, govt, and charity" at Penn State.
BTW, I have a Penn State degree, and so do two of my kids - both of them in 2010.
I take no pleasure in feeling the way that I now do about the institution that I once loved.
I take no pleasure in feeling the way that I now do about the institution that I once loved.
Like the organized crime analogy. JVP was no longer useful and they had him wacked. Plain and simple.
Can't help but wonder if they'd have had the stones to burn Joe had he survived 2012.
Uh, no. Had Joe been alive for any appreciable time we likely wouldn't be discussing this subject today.
The Collegian and their steaming mound of effluent was the perfect platform for Bernie McNutcase and his steaming piles written in red ink and put back in the "honor" box for children to find.
Two sides of a same sided coin.
Two sides of a same sided coin.
I actually remember the J-school at PSU had a really great reputation in the late 70s. I think journalism in general has devolved since then, correlating with the decline and fall of the newspaper business and the news business in general.
I know it wasn't "considered" anything special when I was there in the early 80's.
I think its now more highly regarded. I know that Steve Manuel really helped lead the way to improving
it, especially from the PhotoJourn side of it.
I was wondering if he "played us" like a David Jones to get clicks and comments. I looked on-line and saw that there were, when I checked, no comments to his article. So, my thought doesn't hold water.
I'll agree that he has been fed a narrative that has been cemented since he was 13-14 years old.
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Had he lived to see what the skidmarks were doing to his university, he would have pushed back. He had enough weight to move the needle, right back up their collective asses.
If Joe had any fight left in him, AND if he kept his son, Scott, hidden and muzzled, things most certainly would have been different.
Well according to the crack staff at the Collegian, PSU won a national championship in 1992.
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/article_3f7dd0f6-f433-11e8-a06d-db11d4c29214.html
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/article_3f7dd0f6-f433-11e8-a06d-db11d4c29214.html
