i would like to see us try an I formation with a big FB in short yardage. our current approach in short yardage has difficulty even against weaker teams. maybe we could get a couple crossover ILBs who can play FB. all i know is that our results are among the worst in 3rd and short, and maybe something to mix things up would be helpful.
would like to see different formation for short yardage
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We're not going to start running plays out of the I formation with a currently non-existent fullback and a center who's never snapped the ball under center for the first time in the conference championship game. Good heavens.
A read option with split backs might be a nice variation for short yardage.....that might fit F and M?
Then take Gaia out, or shift him to guard, and use a different center for the I-formation package. Shot gun makes no sense in short yardage. It adds a delay that gives more time for the defense to penetrate. There are teams out there that do both -- snap under center and shot gun. They wouldn't be doing it if they can't execute without a fumble. No reason we can't.
As for the missing fullback, if memory serves, I remember seeing a team hand the ball to a lineman. Putting one in the backfield to charge the line and run block should be an easier assignment.
You guys just don't get it yet, do you. Joe Moorhead's game plan is like a chess game. Certain calls set up certain plays later. Why do you think we have so much success after halftime? He used plays that may go nowhere at times to set up others. Think the deep game does not work? Think again. Seeing Irv Charles & Juwan Johnson at wide outs Saturday should have teams shaking in their boots in the future. They are both huge and fast.
I understand it's to late to start now but don't see reason why can put it in offense next season.
Good grief
Jesus Christ don't you know better than to offer any suggestions on how this team may seek improvement!!!! That's a blasphemous suggestion on this board......even if Hillary didn't get elected.
The RPO sucks for short yardage as it exists in its present state.
The RPO sucks for short yardage as it exists in its present state.
Everyone "gets it"........but the continual "suggestions" that PSU should have some alternate-Universe roster full of players, along with another volume of "playbook" that they could magically go to in certain situations, is just too stoopid for words.
Typical fan-boy idiocy.......enjoy.
This offense averaged over 40 pts per game the second half of season.
We are not going to add an I formation.
We are not going to add an I formation.
The fact is: you're going to need to find a different offensive coordinator if you want to be running plays with a fullback, under center out of the I formation. If there's one thing this staff has made very clear this year, it's that those plays aren't and won't be in the playbook in Moorhead's offense - as difficult as that might be for some in this fanbase to accept.
Ohio State is one of (if not the) best short-yardage running teams in the country. I don't think they've taken a snap from center in years.
Ohio State is one of (if not the) best short-yardage running teams in the country. I don't think they've taken a snap from center in years.
Well I think it's mostly due to the OL this team is horrid in short yardage. If you can't get any push up front, forget about it. We can all expect to seee huge improvements next year on OL and this conversation probably won't come up. Right now PSU has 3 freshmen and 1 sophomore starting so they got a lot of OL coming back.
I don't think the short yardage game has been that terrible. I recall several 3rd and shorts that PSU has converted on and I don't recall any goal line stands against PSU this year (the backs have several short yardage TDs). No team makes them all. Iowa is a power running team with a good FB and PSU stuffed them several times on 3rd and 4th and short.
I actually agree that I don't like shotgun in short yardage because I think the QB sneak is a great short yardage play, but I think PSU has done just fine with their system this year.
I actually agree that I don't like shotgun in short yardage because I think the QB sneak is a great short yardage play, but I think PSU has done just fine with their system this year.
For the love of God. Franklin said you will never, ever, see a play from under center. He needs to start his press conferences like this:
No plays under center, no plays under center, no plays under center, no plays under center.
Then he can jump into:
Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin
No plays under center, no plays under center, no plays under center, no plays under center.
Then he can jump into:
Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin
There is no FB on the roster and there is no I formation in a spread option offense. It's not going to happen and the idea that you can just line up under center is wrong.
Lining up under center is something that takes practice. It's a lot harder than taking a shotgun snap. The QB/Center exchange is something that takes time to get down and is difficult. Players, such as Marcus Marriota, are heavily criticized when they come out of college and have never taken a snap under center. They need to practice every single day leading up to the NFL Combine just so they look like they know WTF they are doing when they get there. Not only is the exchange important, but you have to learn how to turn and hand the ball off to the RB as well.
Trace McSorley ran a spread option offense in high school. Outside of being the backup the last two years, Trace has almost no experience lining up under center. It's not going to happen. People have been begging for this all year, but it'll never happen in the offense they run.
Yeah, there are teams who line up under center and in the shotgun, and those teams run a Pro Style offense, and not a Spread Option offense. Those teams practice, every day, what you're talking about. This team is playing in the B1G Championship game and you're advocating we just start swapping out our starting center? Or shift him to guard? That's insane, man.
You also can't just throw literally anyone in at fullback. It's naive to think that literally any big body can play fullback. It's a position, and you need to understand the position to play it. Nobody on the roster is a fullback.
It's lunacy to think they should start installing a brand new offense before the B1G Championship game.
Come on, guys. This stuff is crazier than half the scandal stuff posted on this forum.
We don't really have the personnel to do it well. No fullback. Maybe, Jake Cooper can fill role next year. TE'S don't block well at point of attack. Maybe, Bowers and Dalton next year. If Mahon comes back, unbalanced line? Line him up outside RT(Wright) and put TE on left side. Allows you to be strong on right side at least.
Pretty much any of our DT's could line up at FB and do the job in short yardage.
Not that I am advocating it, just saying
Isn't this like the 8th or so different thread that pertains to some variation of "I wish they did not always line up in shotgun regardless of what the situation is" line of thinking?
They run all their plays from the shotgun, they practice everything in the shotgun, they are and will continue to run everything from the shotgun, end of story.
They run all their plays from the shotgun, they practice everything in the shotgun, they are and will continue to run everything from the shotgun, end of story.
As an OC, when I have run a similar offense, I liked to really spread it out on short yardage plays. I wanted the defense to cover everybody. I liked to put four receivers to one side. I liked to go empty. The more backs in the back field the more guys in the box. I even liked using bigger splits in short yardage situations.
You guys wanting a fullback, it's just not going to happen. I would not be surprised to see us use the pistol next season at times.
You guys wanting a fullback, it's just not going to happen. I would not be surprised to see us use the pistol next season at times.
Is there a law against having a short yardage package of 3-5 plays once we have right personnel? Better teams than us can do both.
I like the I and the strong T for short yardage. Ran both in my time. However, ain't gonna happen under Moorhead EVER, so move on. The old saying in coaching...."its who has the chalk last" and I guess now it's a smart board and we don't have the marker.
Maybe institute the option then???? If Trace is running anyhow, why not put him in option on occasion? At least that offers a better chance at short yardage. Plus, getting ball in SB's or MS's hands with some forward momentum gives better potential for them to break a long one.
We run the option very, very frequently - especially in short yardage. It's a read option. I guess we could conceivably run a speed option, but that doesn't really give you any more forward momentum than the inverted veer or read sweep does. In fact, it probably gives you less momentum than either of those.
Add Elliott to the backfield and you can see why they didn't have to take a snap under center in the I formation.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
Thanks, Coach. Agree with you 1,000%.
If you average 320 pounds, strong and athletic, across the front like some of those old Wisconsin teams, you can go I formation with a big fullback and blast away in short yardage.
When your line is average in size and skill, when injuries have depleted your o-line depth, when your tight end is not much of a blocker, when you play a spread RPO from the shotgun with one back 100% of the time, you spread the field even more in short yardage, make the defense defend the full 60 yards sideline to sideline. Trust your linemen to create a crease and trust your gifted athlete with the ball in his hands to find that crease. And if the defense stacks the box, trust your quarterback to make the right decision on his pass target.
