Wow. Michigan offers LSU QB commit $10.5m in NIL

[NoBareFeet]

Whiny liberal sportswriters have been calling for this for years. Finally the players aren't slaves!

What a crock of shit. The sport is becoming a joke. The game should be played by college students working toward a degree. Don't fit in that category? Don't play. See how you like your alternatives.

 

[LandoComando]

There's no way JoePa would have supported this. I recall him saying the players should receive a small stipend so they could do things that normal students can do like go into town for a pizza. The problem was that a lot of these kids were poor and the athletic/academic commitment left little time for them to get a job on the side. I thought that's where the ($5k?) cost of attendance stipend came into play.

I recall Joe opposing the State College Spikes baseball team. He didn't think professional sports belonged on a college campus. Can you imagine players coming up to Joe saying their $200k deal isn't good enough and that they'll enter the portal unless he can help them get it up to $400k?

Joe wouldn't have liked this because it would have reduced his ability to control things--not because he wouldn't want the kids to be paid

 

[Obliviax]

Whiny liberal sportswriters have been calling for this for years. Finally the players aren't slaves!

What a crock of shit. The sport is becoming a joke. The game should be played by college students working toward a degree. Don't fit in that category? Don't play. See how you like your alternatives.

I appreciate your sentiment but that ship has sailed. It is like saying you wish the Dodgers were back in Brooklyn.

The courts have ruled that the universities have colluded to take the money in many different ways. it seems that every case that goes to court is lost by the NCAA. It isn't the players or the universities, specifically, it is USA laws and how they are being interpreted by USA courts.

And it is going to get worse. For example, Nick Saban said he retired due to the state of the game. Well, Mr. Saban is worth about $70,000,000. he was making north of $10m per year not counting his radio, TV and NIL deals. A lot of four-star kids that were recruited and stashed away so they couldn't play for GA or LSU in his early years weren't so lucky (before NIL and the transfer portal).

 

[91Joe95]

I don't think the schools can pay the kids directly other than some agreed-upon crumbs. The NIL money has to come from third parties.

Overall, college football needs a collective bargaining agreement (CBA). However, college kids need to create a "collective" with which to bargain. In most cases, that "collective" is typically a union.

I am not a huge union fan but in this case, it is needed. The CBA will need to contain guidelines to make schools competitive in their divisions and classes. That means some kind of cap. Moreover, they will need to decide how players are paid by position. QBs get far more NIL than left guards, for example. That is going to have to be considered and corrected, at some point.

Unions are structurally set up to protect their most senior members. College athletes have a short playing career and huge annual turnover in membership. You've got a lot of athletes with no income, and you've got athletes with income being asked to forego potentially their only big paychecks from many different employers. How do their interests line up and who is going to pay union dues to a voluntary system? How do you address continued union certification when membership turns over every 4 years?

 

[NoBareFeet]

I appreciate your sentiment but that ship has sailed. It is like saying you wish the Dodgers were back in Brooklyn.

The courts have ruled that the universities have colluded to take the money in many different ways. it seems that every case that goes to court is lost by the NCAA. It isn't the players or the universities, specifically, it is USA laws and how they are being interpreted by USA courts.

And it is going to get worse. For example, Nick Saban said he retired due to the state of the game. Well, Mr. Saban is worth about $70,000,000. he was making north of $10m per year not counting his radio, TV and NIL deals. A lot of four-star kids that were recruited and stashed away so they couldn't play for GA or LSU in his early years weren't so lucky (before NIL and the transfer portal).

You want to let kids earn money through product endorsements, autographs, etc.? Fine. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But these "NIL" deals and collectives are crap. But everyone is afraid to do anything about it.

 

[psuno1]

This is pro sports disguised as college sports, they are not amateur athletes anymore, get use to it.

 

[LandoComando]

This is pro sports disguised as college sports, they are not amateur athletes anymore, get use to it.

It has been for 40 years...maybe longer

 

[rmem]

go ahead SUCKERs. Give more to NIL. Evidently we have no albums whose businesses need to build brand by sponsoring our players.

#Marylovesthecrack

 

[bison13]

I had an interaction with a guy who was hired as the school superintendent. When I looked into his bonafides, he went by "Dr", he had gotten his Phd from a college that was very close to the name of a major US university but was different.

Turns out, the PhD program was 8 weeks. The master's program was about the same. you can get a BS degree and then be a PhD within a year. So I looked at the accreditation. it sounds like they have the accreditation programs that are simply made up. it was like "accredited by Oblivaix Accreditation Services"! So then I looked at the state of Ohio-recognized accreditations. There really aren't any.

bottom line was that this guy was allowed to walk around letting people believe he had a PhD and made them call him "doctor" when he had a sheepskin from a BS college with BS accreditations.

Scary stuff.

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Not permissible per the courts. This is not the same sport anymore. You know PSU is not ponying up the same levels of NIL for players. Out big donors need to allocate to NIL rather than the stadium renovation.

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

 

[Obliviax]

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

As I understand it, the University cannot give the money to the player however they can coordinate NIL suiters and collectives for the players. They just can't be the ones that write the check.

 

[jayhawks65]

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

Teachers are stupid and college players should not share in the billions of dollars their play generated. We need to go back to the good old days.

Good god people get triggered over players making money for playing the most dangerous game in the world.

 

[PurposePitch]

I had an interaction with a guy who was hired as the school superintendent. When I looked into his bonafides, he went by "Dr", he had gotten his Phd from a college that was very close to the name of a major US university but was different.

Turns out, the PhD program was 8 weeks. The master's program was about the same. you can get a BS degree and then be a PhD within a year. So I looked at the accreditation. it sounds like they have the accreditation programs that are simply made up. it was like "accredited by Oblivaix Accreditation Services"! So then I looked at the state of Ohio-recognized accreditations. There really aren't any.

bottom line was that this guy was allowed to walk around letting people believe he had a PhD and made them call him "doctor" when he had a sheepskin from a BS college with BS accreditations.

Scary stuff.

Link to college and PhD program, please.

 

[PurposePitch]

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

In another of your never-ending "all students are horrible, and all teachers are awful" posts, you forgot that this person, who was apparently less functionally intelligent than someone with Down's Syndrome (according to your own characterization, of course), and had apparently not received a rudimentary education, even in her professional specialty .... was your peer. She had achieved the same level of professional success as you.

That's all your post accomplished.

 

[bison13]

Teachers are stupid and college players should not share in the billions of dollars their play generated. We need to go back to the good old days.

Good god people get triggered over players making money for playing the most dangerous game in the world.

good god you got triggered. I was a college athlete and fully believe they should get part of the pot, but damn you cant just let them have a free for all without some rules.

I was a teacher by the way, now a mentor teacher, trying to get the young people who go in to the profession to stay and try to get them to improve their craft. I am seeing more and more that I actually do want to leave the profession as they dont know basic facts for their field. I'm not asking them to be a ten day champ at jeopardy, I just want them to have a solid grasp of common vocabulary and arithmetic. Unfortunately over almost 30 years I can say that many incoming teachers are not as well versed in their field and while they may be good at relationship building, they are not problem solvers nor are they high level thinkers. Farmers, construction workers, etc are much better at those tasks so I stand by the idea that education does not mean intelligence.

 

[bdgan]

I meant Joe supported paying the players. The amount is in dispute and will change over time. But there needs to be a balance. On one hand, the players are being exploited while others make millions. On the other, there are only a couple of dozen schools that can pay what it is going to cost to compete for a Natty. Then you add in complications like the striations of schools (B1G, SEC, MAC, Div 2, NAIA, etc.) and positions (pay for QB vs left guard vs WR vs CB vs edge rusher vs MLB).

I don't agree that players were being exploited except that they were led to prioritize football over education. Too many finished their college football career without going pro and were left with no marketable skills.

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs. Although top colleges bring in roughly $200 million per year they spend most or all of that on expenses for both revenue and non revenue sports. Most of the rest actually charge students a fee to help cover the cost.

Of course there are quite a few coaches and athletic directors who make $millions. And when that happens you're going to see players reaching out for a piece of the pie.

 

[Obliviax]

I don't agree that players were being exploited except that they were led to prioritize football over education. Too many finished their college football career without going pro and were left with no marketable skills.

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs. Although top colleges bring in roughly $200 million per year they spend most or all of that on expenses for both revenue and non revenue sports. Most of the rest actually charge students a fee to help cover the cost.

Of course there are quite a few coaches and athletic directors who make $millions. And when that happens you're going to see players reaching out for a piece of the pie.

Respect.

If I was a kid who came from a poor family and was running gassers in August to start camp (later to get my bell wrung on some kind of Bull-in-the-ring competition) and was later approached by some dude driving a pink Caddy with Bevo bull horns on the front who asked me for an autograph for his five-year-old grandson I might think differently. Or, when I am berated by UTEPs or Florida Atlantics head coach, who are both making over $1,000,000 per year, for missing a block when his team hasn't been able to be competitive at all my mind might wonder to the inequities of college football.

And I haven't even mentioned that same player going to watch woman's crew at Stanford and see a gal at the end of the bench on a full scholly whose dad is CEO of the latest tech giant or a kid of a TV star I might have those thoughts.

 

[LandoComando]

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs.

But does football bring in a profit?
The athletic program likely doesn't but why shouldn't football players be paid to sponsor sports that aren't profitable?
It's not their job to save wrestling, LAX, soccer or gymnastics....for example

 

[jayhawks65]

good god you got triggered. I was a college athlete and fully believe they should get part of the pot, but damn you cant just let them have a free for all without some rules.

I was a teacher by the way, now a mentor teacher, trying to get the young people who go in to the profession to stay and try to get them to improve their craft. I am seeing more and more that I actually do want to leave the profession as they dont know basic facts for their field. I'm not asking them to be a ten day champ at jeopardy, I just want them to have a solid grasp of common vocabulary and arithmetic. Unfortunately over almost 30 years I can say that many incoming teachers are not as well versed in their field and while they may be good at relationship building, they are not problem solvers nor are they high level thinkers. Farmers, construction workers, etc are much better at those tasks so I stand by the idea that education does not mean intelligence.

My wife is a teacher. The work she does daily is amazing to men. Dealing with entitled kids and their helicopter parents is something I couldn't do.

I am far from triggered. I love seeing those kids getting paid. I went to school when Joe was the coach. That was 40 years ago. Times change hard to believe Joe would have a problem with players sharing a 7 billion dollars contract.

He was a fair man who cared about his players.

 

[LMTLION]

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

PSU is definitively not at the level of OSU, Oregon, FSU, etc. Yeah, ahead of the curve of most of college football, but not at that elite level.

 

[Delcolion915]

This cannot be. We were all informed that Ohio State was far ahead of Michigan and that PSU was "making progress" in NIL

It's simple. Issus an apology to the Paterno family. Re instate the statue, and rename the stadium.

And we will immediately be right along side OSU, Oregon, and Michigan.

 

[Parkland Fan]

I don't think the schools can pay the kids directly other than some agreed-upon crumbs. The NIL money has to come from third parties.

Overall, college football needs a collective bargaining agreement (CBA). However, college kids need to create a "collective" with which to bargain. In most cases, that "collective" is typically a union.

I am not a huge union fan but in this case, it is needed. The CBA will need to contain guidelines to make schools competitive in their divisions and classes. That means some kind of cap. Moreover, they will need to decide how players are paid by position. QBs get far more NIL than left guards, for example. That is going to have to be considered and corrected, at some point.

Obliviac,
Your suggestion makes a great deal of sense, however our national employment laws would not fit. The IRS has rules that cover who is and who isn't an employee. The Fair Labor Standards Act covers which employees are exempt from rules such as overtime. And there's a whole complicated pile of precedents around union organizing. Early in my career I lived in the FLSA regulations world at a university so I know a little about these laws.
The need is there for a fix, but it would have to be a change to several federal laws and good luck with anything happening in Washington.

 

[PurposePitch]

This cannot be. We were all informed that Ohio State was far ahead of Michigan and that PSU was "making progress" in NIL

It's simple. Issus an apology to the Paterno family. Re instate the statue, and rename the stadium.

And we will immediately be right along side OSU, Oregon, and Michigan.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. Go away.

 

[Parkland Fan]

I wouldn't hire a surgeon who said he learned online.

I wouldn't want to be on the highway along side a truck driver who learned online.

 

[Op2]

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

Mike Rowe has said that these days a college diploma is really just a receipt and I think he's right.

https://moneywise.com/loans/student-loans/mike-rowe-challenges-college-value

 

[jayhawks65]

Mike Rowe has said that these days a college diploma is really just a receipt and I think he's right.

https://moneywise.com/loans/student-loans/mike-rowe-challenges-college-value

Mike Rowe said it must be true. I know a lot of people who have a degree. Everyone of them is middle class or better. On the other hand all my highschool buddies without a degree are struggling. Factory workers trade union guys truck drivers all stressing out. Higher education appears to be the best chance to climb that ladder to me

 

[bison13]

Mike Rowe said it must be true. I know a lot of people who have a degree. Everyone of them is middle class or better. On the other hand all my highschool buddies without a degree are struggling. Factory workers trade union guys truck drivers all stressing out. Higher education appears to be the best chance to climb that ladder to me

depends on the field. STEM yes, BA in some field with little income potential, no. ots of communication majors who cant make ends meet and are bussing tables on teh side. Where do you live where factory workers and union tradesmen are stressing, they are killing it in the mid atlantic and carolinas.

 

[jayhawks65]

depends on the field. STEM yes, BA in some field with little income potential, no. ots of communication majors who cant make ends meet and are bussing tables on teh side. Where do you live where factory workers and union tradesmen are stressing, they are killing it in the mid atlantic and carolinas.

Western PA. I have a history soc degree myself. All my college buddies have entered the middle class. We were all dirt poor before college.

Nephew made big bucks for 4 years driving waste water for fracking. The work dried up. He is driving coast to coast now. Hates it.

Best friend works for UPS. Had to transfer to Houston to keep his job. He is not happy. Actually have 3 steel mills within a 5 mile radius of my house. Every contract they threaten to move to non union states. US. Steel being purchased by Japanese steel maker.

 

[bison13]

Western PA. I have a history soc degree myself. All my college buddies have entered the middle class. We were all dirt poor before college.

Nephew made big bucks for 4 years driving waste water for fracking. The work dried up. He is driving coast to coast now. Hates it.

Best friend works for UPS. Had to transfer to Houston to keep his job. He is not happy. Actually have 3 steel mills within a 5 mile radius of my house. Every contract they threaten to move to non union states. US. Steel being purchased by Japanese steel maker.

I’m from Washington so I know exactly where you’re talking about. Maybe all those old timers from the mill shouldn’t have been voting the way their union told them to for years and they have some other jobs in the area.
The main issue in that area is too many people thought those mill and mine jobs were gonna be around forever and their parents only got a job at those places because their father or some other relative got them in the union.
I know lots of guys from back there that are doing real well and don’t have more than a PTI degree. always a need for electricians, HVAC, and tech people, especially out at Southpointe and the the areas towards the airport. Plus a couple of big construction companies who have jobs nationally where plenty of guys from that area work. Don’t get to see their families as much as they want but make plenty of money in a place where the cost-of-living is very low.

 

[Op2]

Mike Rowe said it must be true. I know a lot of people who have a degree. Everyone of them is middle class or better. On the other hand all my highschool buddies without a degree are struggling. Factory workers trade union guys truck drivers all stressing out. Higher education appears to be the best chance to climb that ladder to me

College is definitely good for some but it's definitely a waste of time and money for others. Public colleges no longer serve the public and instead serve themselves by getting as big as they can without regard to whether they're doing any good. Getting paid is all that matters to them.

Outstanding college debt is now $1,600,000,000,000. No, that's not a mistake where I accidentally put in too many zeroes. $1.6 trillion is correct. And the people in debt are screaming bloody murder. Colleges point blank badly screwed these people over.

You're right about lots of factory workers have it bad too. They've been screwed over by the people at the top too. For some reason, these struggling factory workers are supposed to help pay off that college debt.

Of course, off-shoring millions of manufacturing jobs in the 1990s via NAFTA and then letting in tens of millions of illegal workers to drive down wages didn't help either.

People are pissed off but the amazing thing is they're not more pissed off than they are.

 

[Katatonic]

Whiny liberal sportswriters have been calling for this for years. Finally the players aren't slaves!

What a crock of shit. The sport is becoming a joke. The game should be played by college students working toward a degree. Don't fit in that category? Don't play. See how you like your alternatives.

In that case, the coaches and administrators should be paid more appropriately for coaching/administering "amateurs", but these days, we have strength & conditioning coaches making 7 figures.

Also if go by compensation should only remain a scholarship, players are getting an increasingly bum deal.

Compensation stays the same as they play more and more games - 8 to 10 to 12 regular season games with the conference championships and a run through the 12 team playoffs basically equating an NFL schedule.

Yeah, colleges really care about these players having the time to be students and work toward their degree, nevermind the health of the players and the increase in wear and tear on their bodies and minds.

 

[Katatonic]

College is definitely good for some but it's definitely a waste of time and money for others. Public colleges no longer serve the public and instead serve themselves by getting as big as they can without regard to whether they're doing any good. Getting paid is all that matters to them.

Outstanding college debt is now $1,600,000,000,000. No, that's not a mistake where I accidentally put in too many zeroes. $1.6 trillion is correct. And the people in debt are screaming bloody murder. Colleges point blank badly screwed these people over.

You're right about lots of factory workers have it bad too. They've been screwed over by the people at the top too. For some reason, these struggling factory workers are supposed to help pay off that college debt.

Of course, off-shoring millions of manufacturing jobs in the 1990s via NAFTA and then letting in tens of millions of illegal workers to drive down wages didn't help either.

People are pissed off but the amazing thing is they're not more pissed off than they are.

Public universities had to scramble for $ as politicians/legislators keep cutting their funding.

Hence, them looking increasingly to out of state and international students who pay more.

That being said, tuition costs have been overinflated due to the perception that higher tuition = better school.

Ironically, it's often cheaper to attend a top prestigious, private university as they have much more generous financial aid (true cost of attendance) with a some offering free tuition for families with a household income in the low $100k.

Btw, schools actually make $ from the athletic dept as the AD pays full freight for scholarships, as opposed to the general student body, which on average, gets some sort of discount via financial aid.

The student debt problem is shown by what happened to Sallie Mae, which was once a govt sponsored program to service student loans.

Sallie Mae (now Navient, a publicly traded company) was pressured to go private and for-profit.

It's CEO became so wealthy, that he didn't just join one or several golf clubs in the DC metro area, but ended up building his own private club in Maryland.

The college tuition problem was the worst when it came to the online, for private "universities."

One would think that these "universities" which didn't have much in the way of brick and mortar facilities/costs would have significantly cheaper tuition, but that wasn't the case.

A lot of these so-called universities would target military and former military personnel who would end up in tens of thousands in debt for what ended up being useless, diploma mill degrees.

Would have been better and a lot cheaper to have just attended the local community college.

 

[Katatonic]

As for NAFTA, really wasn't responsible for the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs in the 1990s as they predominantly went to China (thanks to Walmart) and not Mexico

What NAFTA did do was gut the small farming livelihood in Mexico which simply could not compete with American (subsidized) Big Agri, which is why small towns and villages across Mexico became depopulated (aside from the elderly and young children) as working age adults migrated up north in order to earn a living.

 

[jayhawks65]

I’m from Washington so I know exactly where you’re talking about. Maybe all those old timers from the mill shouldn’t have been voting the way their union told them to for years and they have some other jobs in the area.
The main issue in that area is too many people thought those mill and mine jobs were gonna be around forever and their parents only got a job at those places because their father or some other relative got them in the union.
I know lots of guys from back there that are doing real well and don’t have more than a PTI degree. always a need for electricians, HVAC, and tech people, especially out at Southpointe and the the areas towards the airport. Plus a couple of big construction companies who have jobs nationally where plenty of guys from that area work. Don’t get to see their families as much as they want but make plenty of money in a place where the cost-of-living is very low.

Cost of living is the only reason I stay here. I can live on my pension and investments wouldn't be able to do that anywhere else

The disagreement I have with your statement is about the mills. They are making money hand over fist. I know a lot of people that work for them. Yet every contract they lock out the workers and bring in those replacements workers.

One of the mills gave no contract raises for the life of the contract. They gave a yearly bonus so the guys were making the exact same salary they were 4 years ago. Now they have signs all over begging people to come work for them.

Oh and as far as illegal immigrants coming here. It would be a boon for these ghosts towns around here. People coming in working starting new business in these boarded up towns. I could care a less where they come from or what language they speak.

 

[PSU4U]

At what point is it more lucrative to play in college football than play in the NFL's slotted rookie contracts? If PSU ponys up $1m for Allar next year, does he leave?

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Michigan and their Referines along with their Alums want to win at any cost which has always included cheating. Screwum.

 

[PSU4U]

As for NAFTA, really wasn't responsible for the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs in the 1990s as they predominantly went to China (thanks to Walmart) and not Mexico

What NAFTA did do was gut the small farming livelihood in Mexico which simply could not compete with American (subsidized) Big Agri, which is why small towns and villages across Mexico became depopulated (aside from the elderly and young children) as working age adults migrated up north in order to earn a living.

NAFTA Effed everyone except the Globalists. Communism called by any other name is still Communism. NAFTA was Communist Central Planning on Half the world. Everyone with a brain should be glad it's dead.

 

[baircub1!]

This is pro sports disguised as college sports, they are not amateur athletes anymore, get use to it.

It’s actually worse than PRO SPORTS..at least the Pro Teams control the “
Payroll”… right now if I understand correctly what’s happening., the Schools have no control on NIL money..

 

[LandoComando]

It’s actually worse than PRO SPORTS..at least the Pro Teams control the “
Payroll”… right now if I understand correctly what’s happening., the Schools have no control on NIL money..

NIL exists in the pros--it's why some markets are better than others

 

[baircub1!]

NIL exists in the pros--it's why some markets are better than others

True.. ie endorsements but these deals don’t seem to have any sponsorships behind them.. Michigan saying.. I have $10.5 MM for you only here..

 

[LandoComando]

True.. ie endorsements but these deals don’t seem to have any sponsorships behind them.. Michigan saying.. I have $10.5 MM for you only here..

Some are anywhere. See Livvy Dunne. See Arch. See Bronny. You just have to be really special for it not to be tied to a program.