Wow. Michigan offers LSU QB commit $10.5m in NIL

[NoBareFeet]

Whiny liberal sportswriters have been calling for this for years. Finally the players aren't slaves!

What a crock of shit. The sport is becoming a joke. The game should be played by college students working toward a degree. Don't fit in that category? Don't play. See how you like your alternatives.

 

[LandoComando]

There's no way JoePa would have supported this. I recall him saying the players should receive a small stipend so they could do things that normal students can do like go into town for a pizza. The problem was that a lot of these kids were poor and the athletic/academic commitment left little time for them to get a job on the side. I thought that's where the ($5k?) cost of attendance stipend came into play.

I recall Joe opposing the State College Spikes baseball team. He didn't think professional sports belonged on a college campus. Can you imagine players coming up to Joe saying their $200k deal isn't good enough and that they'll enter the portal unless he can help them get it up to $400k?

Joe wouldn't have liked this because it would have reduced his ability to control things--not because he wouldn't want the kids to be paid

 

[Obliviax]

Whiny liberal sportswriters have been calling for this for years. Finally the players aren't slaves!

What a crock of shit. The sport is becoming a joke. The game should be played by college students working toward a degree. Don't fit in that category? Don't play. See how you like your alternatives.

I appreciate your sentiment but that ship has sailed. It is like saying you wish the Dodgers were back in Brooklyn.

The courts have ruled that the universities have colluded to take the money in many different ways. it seems that every case that goes to court is lost by the NCAA. It isn't the players or the universities, specifically, it is USA laws and how they are being interpreted by USA courts.

And it is going to get worse. For example, Nick Saban said he retired due to the state of the game. Well, Mr. Saban is worth about $70,000,000. he was making north of $10m per year not counting his radio, TV and NIL deals. A lot of four-star kids that were recruited and stashed away so they couldn't play for GA or LSU in his early years weren't so lucky (before NIL and the transfer portal).

 

[91Joe95]

I don't think the schools can pay the kids directly other than some agreed-upon crumbs. The NIL money has to come from third parties.

Overall, college football needs a collective bargaining agreement (CBA). However, college kids need to create a "collective" with which to bargain. In most cases, that "collective" is typically a union.

I am not a huge union fan but in this case, it is needed. The CBA will need to contain guidelines to make schools competitive in their divisions and classes. That means some kind of cap. Moreover, they will need to decide how players are paid by position. QBs get far more NIL than left guards, for example. That is going to have to be considered and corrected, at some point.

Unions are structurally set up to protect their most senior members. College athletes have a short playing career and huge annual turnover in membership. You've got a lot of athletes with no income, and you've got athletes with income being asked to forego potentially their only big paychecks from many different employers. How do their interests line up and who is going to pay union dues to a voluntary system? How do you address continued union certification when membership turns over every 4 years?

 

[NoBareFeet]

I appreciate your sentiment but that ship has sailed. It is like saying you wish the Dodgers were back in Brooklyn.

The courts have ruled that the universities have colluded to take the money in many different ways. it seems that every case that goes to court is lost by the NCAA. It isn't the players or the universities, specifically, it is USA laws and how they are being interpreted by USA courts.

And it is going to get worse. For example, Nick Saban said he retired due to the state of the game. Well, Mr. Saban is worth about $70,000,000. he was making north of $10m per year not counting his radio, TV and NIL deals. A lot of four-star kids that were recruited and stashed away so they couldn't play for GA or LSU in his early years weren't so lucky (before NIL and the transfer portal).

You want to let kids earn money through product endorsements, autographs, etc.? Fine. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But these "NIL" deals and collectives are crap. But everyone is afraid to do anything about it.

 

[psuno1]

This is pro sports disguised as college sports, they are not amateur athletes anymore, get use to it.

 

[LandoComando]

This is pro sports disguised as college sports, they are not amateur athletes anymore, get use to it.

It has been for 40 years...maybe longer

 

[rmem]

go ahead SUCKERs. Give more to NIL. Evidently we have no albums whose businesses need to build brand by sponsoring our players.

#Marylovesthecrack

 

[bison13]

I had an interaction with a guy who was hired as the school superintendent. When I looked into his bonafides, he went by "Dr", he had gotten his Phd from a college that was very close to the name of a major US university but was different.

Turns out, the PhD program was 8 weeks. The master's program was about the same. you can get a BS degree and then be a PhD within a year. So I looked at the accreditation. it sounds like they have the accreditation programs that are simply made up. it was like "accredited by Oblivaix Accreditation Services"! So then I looked at the state of Ohio-recognized accreditations. There really aren't any.

bottom line was that this guy was allowed to walk around letting people believe he had a PhD and made them call him "doctor" when he had a sheepskin from a BS college with BS accreditations.

Scary stuff.

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Not permissible per the courts. This is not the same sport anymore. You know PSU is not ponying up the same levels of NIL for players. Out big donors need to allocate to NIL rather than the stadium renovation.

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

 

[Obliviax]

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

As I understand it, the University cannot give the money to the player however they can coordinate NIL suiters and collectives for the players. They just can't be the ones that write the check.

 

[jayhawks65]

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

Teachers are stupid and college players should not share in the billions of dollars their play generated. We need to go back to the good old days.

Good god people get triggered over players making money for playing the most dangerous game in the world.

 

[PurposePitch]

I had an interaction with a guy who was hired as the school superintendent. When I looked into his bonafides, he went by "Dr", he had gotten his Phd from a college that was very close to the name of a major US university but was different.

Turns out, the PhD program was 8 weeks. The master's program was about the same. you can get a BS degree and then be a PhD within a year. So I looked at the accreditation. it sounds like they have the accreditation programs that are simply made up. it was like "accredited by Oblivaix Accreditation Services"! So then I looked at the state of Ohio-recognized accreditations. There really aren't any.

bottom line was that this guy was allowed to walk around letting people believe he had a PhD and made them call him "doctor" when he had a sheepskin from a BS college with BS accreditations.

Scary stuff.

Link to college and PhD program, please.

 

[PurposePitch]

Dumbest human I have ever worked with was PHD in education. She couldnt use a toaster or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. Sadly colleges/universities will give you a degree if you pay for it. She eventually got fired for cussing at students but could not even do the material for the Social Studies courses she taught (like she did not know there are 50 states or that Spain was not part if Mexico).

This is why when a certain political party talks about their 'educated' voters, I shake my head. Education does not mean intelligence.

In another of your never-ending "all students are horrible, and all teachers are awful" posts, you forgot that this person, who was apparently less functionally intelligent than someone with Down's Syndrome (according to your own characterization, of course), and had apparently not received a rudimentary education, even in her professional specialty .... was your peer. She had achieved the same level of professional success as you.

That's all your post accomplished.

 

[bison13]

Teachers are stupid and college players should not share in the billions of dollars their play generated. We need to go back to the good old days.

Good god people get triggered over players making money for playing the most dangerous game in the world.

good god you got triggered. I was a college athlete and fully believe they should get part of the pot, but damn you cant just let them have a free for all without some rules.

I was a teacher by the way, now a mentor teacher, trying to get the young people who go in to the profession to stay and try to get them to improve their craft. I am seeing more and more that I actually do want to leave the profession as they dont know basic facts for their field. I'm not asking them to be a ten day champ at jeopardy, I just want them to have a solid grasp of common vocabulary and arithmetic. Unfortunately over almost 30 years I can say that many incoming teachers are not as well versed in their field and while they may be good at relationship building, they are not problem solvers nor are they high level thinkers. Farmers, construction workers, etc are much better at those tasks so I stand by the idea that education does not mean intelligence.

 

[bdgan]

I meant Joe supported paying the players. The amount is in dispute and will change over time. But there needs to be a balance. On one hand, the players are being exploited while others make millions. On the other, there are only a couple of dozen schools that can pay what it is going to cost to compete for a Natty. Then you add in complications like the striations of schools (B1G, SEC, MAC, Div 2, NAIA, etc.) and positions (pay for QB vs left guard vs WR vs CB vs edge rusher vs MLB).

I don't agree that players were being exploited except that they were led to prioritize football over education. Too many finished their college football career without going pro and were left with no marketable skills.

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs. Although top colleges bring in roughly $200 million per year they spend most or all of that on expenses for both revenue and non revenue sports. Most of the rest actually charge students a fee to help cover the cost.

Of course there are quite a few coaches and athletic directors who make $millions. And when that happens you're going to see players reaching out for a piece of the pie.

 

[Obliviax]

I don't agree that players were being exploited except that they were led to prioritize football over education. Too many finished their college football career without going pro and were left with no marketable skills.

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs. Although top colleges bring in roughly $200 million per year they spend most or all of that on expenses for both revenue and non revenue sports. Most of the rest actually charge students a fee to help cover the cost.

Of course there are quite a few coaches and athletic directors who make $millions. And when that happens you're going to see players reaching out for a piece of the pie.

Respect.

If I was a kid who came from a poor family and was running gassers in August to start camp (later to get my bell wrung on some kind of Bull-in-the-ring competition) and was later approached by some dude driving a pink Caddy with Bevo bull horns on the front who asked me for an autograph for his five-year-old grandson I might think differently. Or, when I am berated by UTEPs or Florida Atlantics head coach, who are both making over $1,000,000 per year, for missing a block when his team hasn't been able to be competitive at all my mind might wonder to the inequities of college football.

And I haven't even mentioned that same player going to watch woman's crew at Stanford and see a gal at the end of the bench on a full scholly whose dad is CEO of the latest tech giant or a kid of a TV star I might have those thoughts.

 

[LandoComando]

I also don't completely agree that schools are making $millions. IIRC there are only about 25 colleges that profit from their athletic programs.

But does football bring in a profit?
The athletic program likely doesn't but why shouldn't football players be paid to sponsor sports that aren't profitable?
It's not their job to save wrestling, LAX, soccer or gymnastics....for example

 

[jayhawks65]

good god you got triggered. I was a college athlete and fully believe they should get part of the pot, but damn you cant just let them have a free for all without some rules.

I was a teacher by the way, now a mentor teacher, trying to get the young people who go in to the profession to stay and try to get them to improve their craft. I am seeing more and more that I actually do want to leave the profession as they dont know basic facts for their field. I'm not asking them to be a ten day champ at jeopardy, I just want them to have a solid grasp of common vocabulary and arithmetic. Unfortunately over almost 30 years I can say that many incoming teachers are not as well versed in their field and while they may be good at relationship building, they are not problem solvers nor are they high level thinkers. Farmers, construction workers, etc are much better at those tasks so I stand by the idea that education does not mean intelligence.

My wife is a teacher. The work she does daily is amazing to men. Dealing with entitled kids and their helicopter parents is something I couldn't do.

I am far from triggered. I love seeing those kids getting paid. I went to school when Joe was the coach. That was 40 years ago. Times change hard to believe Joe would have a problem with players sharing a 7 billion dollars contract.

He was a fair man who cared about his players.

 

[LMTLION]

Weird. Just yesterday Adam Breneman said on Full Ride that PSU was ahead of the curve on NIL

PSU is definitively not at the level of OSU, Oregon, FSU, etc. Yeah, ahead of the curve of most of college football, but not at that elite level.

 

[Delcolion915]

This cannot be. We were all informed that Ohio State was far ahead of Michigan and that PSU was "making progress" in NIL

It's simple. Issus an apology to the Paterno family. Re instate the statue, and rename the stadium.

And we will immediately be right along side OSU, Oregon, and Michigan.