Brown University cut 11 varsity sports down to club status. Wrestling was not one of them. This is the first time I can remember a situation where a university cut a number of sports and Wrestling wasn’t one of them. Great news, especially for a middling program fighting with Princeton, Penn, et al for quality guys that can also get in the door academically.
Wrestling escapes the brown hatchet
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First time in 24 hours. Appalachian State dropped three sports on Tuesday (men's soccer, men's tennis, men's indoor track & field), and wrestling wasn't among them.
Most likely the tip of the iceberg.
Cincinnati, Old Dominion, Akron, Central Michigan, East Carolina, Wisconsin-Green Bay and Florida International have cut several varsity sports programs recently.
A couple hundred” sports programs were cut during the last economic downturn after the 2008 financial crisis.
Cincinnati, Old Dominion, Akron, Central Michigan, East Carolina, Wisconsin-Green Bay and Florida International have cut several varsity sports programs recently.
A couple hundred” sports programs were cut during the last economic downturn after the 2008 financial crisis.
Kerry McCoy may be the only reason wrestling didn't join the other 7 sports cut in 2012 after Maryland Athletics rang up over $100M in debt over the football program.
Brown faced a significant threat to their program about a decade ago and in response raised a significant endowment for wrestling. One of my best friends was among the leaders of that effort.
It is a number that would have Vodka in a tizzy - and as you can see has created an unfair competitive balance between the Bears and programs like Iowa.
If the brown hatchet is anything like the brown note, I pity those who don't escape it.
Of course Roy Carver being a huge booster back in the day did not at all affect competitive balance
In fairness, the average subway musician jar tip is enough to put Vodka in a tizzy.
Yes, we went to the same HS although a few years apart. Our kids grew up together and we spent more than a decade coaching and watching them together in sports year round. A truly great guy with a wonderful family. Love them.
He was also my introduction to some great guys from Brown through Nationals.
As Dicemen said, a lot of the alumni stepped up to support the program. The wrestling endowment is around 2 million I would guess with the head coach's position covered. The coach continues to have a great relationship with the former wrestlers. Besides the yearly gifts, the best thing for the program is future gifts that are in the works from a generous alum. That is what will make Vodka's head as Dice and El alluded to.
With endowments, the other advantage Ivy's have is no scholarship costs. There is aid based on family income and I would assume that some of the athletes come from average families that would receive aid but not the demands on the administration of 9.9 to cover.
With endowments, the other advantage Ivy's have is no scholarship costs. There is aid based on family income and I would assume that some of the athletes come from average families that would receive aid but not the demands on the administration of 9.9 to cover.
Dice you are correct, Bobby is a super person and family guy. I think it was at Nationals in Philadelphia that i only saw him as he passed out shirts to the Brown fans in attendence and soon left the tournament early. The reason was his kids had soccer games he was attending and it took priority.
At a celebration for Brown Wrestling 100th anniversary, Michael Novogratz the investor and Beat the Streets supporter told a great story about Wrestling Bobby at the conference championship which was being held at Princeton where Novogratz attended. Novogratz confirmed how good Hill was.
This also made me think of main reason Brown is in such a strong position today is an alum and business leader from New Jersey. He has supported the team for decades through thick and thin. It is people like him who donate and rally others to support such programs.
It comes down to supporting what you love.
At a celebration for Brown Wrestling 100th anniversary, Michael Novogratz the investor and Beat the Streets supporter told a great story about Wrestling Bobby at the conference championship which was being held at Princeton where Novogratz attended. Novogratz confirmed how good Hill was.
This also made me think of main reason Brown is in such a strong position today is an alum and business leader from New Jersey. He has supported the team for decades through thick and thin. It is people like him who donate and rally others to support such programs.
It comes down to supporting what you love.
That is evident when it comes to Brown wrestling. They've a great group of alum that you alluded to that show the support required to put the program back where it needs to be.
Bobby was and still is a nails tough competitor. But what I love most about him is that he is a man of character. He's always willing to do what he thinks is right no matter how difficult it is or the situation he is in and he expects it from others. He sets an example as a leader that I try my best to emulate - albeit nowhere near as successfully as he does.
Sometimes - especially in youth sports, but also in all walks of life - that's a tough row to hoe and doesn't endear you to some. But those "some" usually derive the most benefit from their exposure to it.
Rumor is Mr. Suriano (dad) is contemplating setting Rutgers wrestling up with similar contributions if they hire Nicky Nails as their next coach.
Of course, just joshing. Generous alumni certainly help programs. It is good wrestling has more than a couple.
The donation is withdrawn if Nate Tomasello is seen on campus.
Found the FRL video on Youtube of Appalachian State coach JohnMark Bentley from Thursday and he talked about some of the things he has done to keep his program viable. As much as winning gets the focus, Colleges are looking for so much more. Huge props to him for success in all aspects of the program. I know they don't have a huge gym but huge kudos to him for selling out home meets.
(They also talk about the Penn State lineup for next year and future. Basically talking about all of the options from going all in to redshirting everybody next year).
Run of Show
0:00 - App State head coach JohnMark Bentley joins the show
0:25 - Fargo is officially canceled
0:38 - Best/worst case lineups for Penn State next season
01:03 - Questions from friends
(They also talk about the Penn State lineup for next year and future. Basically talking about all of the options from going all in to redshirting everybody next year).
Run of Show
0:00 - App State head coach JohnMark Bentley joins the show
0:25 - Fargo is officially canceled
0:38 - Best/worst case lineups for Penn State next season
01:03 - Questions from friends
It is posts like these that keep me coming back to these boards. I learn new and interesting things almost every day. Thanks for the new factoid!
Coaches in non-revenue sports are worried about the impact legislation allowing compensation for college athletes could have on their programs
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireS...icksource_4380645_8_heads_posts_headlines_hed
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireS...icksource_4380645_8_heads_posts_headlines_hed
No matter the sport, this is going to allow student athletes to go to the highest bidder and all perfectly legal.
Unfortunately, based on the law of unintended consequences, this may result in fewer student athletes.
May?, yes, but I'm hopeful that the new rules don't allow a free-for-all that many are playing the gosh-ain't-it-awful card with already. There will surely be consequences. I'll sit patiently until the new rules are available.
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