Wrestling in PA is going to pot!!

[RoarLions1]

Just kidding all.

For the first time since 2010 (that's all the further my information for qualifiers and AA's goes), a state other than PA had the most All-Americans.

With 49 NQ's, PA ended with 8 All-Americans.
With 32 NQ's, OH ended with 10 All-Americans

 

[manmythlegend1]

Just kidding all.

For the first time since 2010 (that's all the further my information for qualifiers and AA's goes), a state other than PA had the most All-Americans.

With 49 NQ's, PA ended with 8 All-Americans.
With 32 NQ's, OH ended with 10 All-Americans

If it makes you feel better PA Dominated when it comes to National Champions

EDIT-
125-CRUZ--PA
133Clark- Iowa
141-Heil- Ohio
149-Zain-PA
157-Nolf-PA
165-VJ-- PA
174-Hall-Minn
184-BO-Texas
197-Cox- MO
HWT-Snyder-Marylan

I think 4 Champs for PA with Ohio only getting 1 sounds like Domination to me...

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Just kidding all.

For the first time since 2010 (that's all the further my information for qualifiers and AA's goes), a state other than PA had the most All-Americans.

With 49 NQ's, PA ended with 8 All-Americans.
With 32 NQ's, OH ended with 10 All-Americans

THIS SITE has them listed all the way back to the first NCAA Tourney in 1929, but they haven't updated for this year yet.

 

[royboy]

THIS SITE has them listed all the way back to the first NCAA Tourney in 1929, but they haven't updated for this year yet.

Not sure who is handling that site currently; the original person who compiled the info, Allen Brown, passed away in December, 2015. Allen was a great fan, and supporter of amateur wrestling. I have included part of the tributes paid to him.

http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/15302

Funeral services were announced Thursday for Allen Brown, College Editor for amateur wrestling website WrestlingReport.com and popular, respected poster for various online amateur wrestling forums under the name "Stove Pipe."

For someone who had no time on the mats, he certainly earned a spot in the annals of the sport. He was to have been inducted into the EWL Hall of Fame this spring. It is ironic that he will again be recognized for his contributions but will once again not appear in the limelight. Rest in Peace, Allen Brown."

"Allen was one of the most passionate and knowledgeable wrestling fans I've ever known," said Stephen Stonebreaker, writer and radio co-host for TakedownWrestle.com. "I'd spend hours on the phone with him, talking wrestling. Tried to stump him on wrestling trivia, but never succeeded. A great man, and a great friend. The wrestling world lost a beautiful human being. He will be missed."

Earl Smith, founder of d1wrestling.com, paid tribute to Brown at his website, writing, "As many people who read the various forums where he visited can attest, the man LOVED wrestling. Not just the best guys, not just the DI teams. I think that passion was evident in his posts. Even if you didn't know him personally you can feel it.

"In my time in the 'media' side of the sport, I can honestly say I've never met someone who was so selfless and genuine in his love for the sport," Smith continued. "While he was very eager to assist and lend his expertise, he never wanted to take a dime for his services and didn't want recognition. Anything he did for my website was out of his love for the sport and friendship."

Award-winning wrestling journalist Jason Bryant posted this tribute to Brown on Twitter: "Moment of silence for my friend, the late Allen Brown. Gruff as they come, but loved the sport of wrestling. He will be missed."

 

[RoarLions1]

THIS SITE has them listed all the way back to the first NCAA Tourney in 1929, but they haven't updated for this year yet.

Have it already...just not other states.

 

[21Guns]

The conversation is held every year: Last year somebody came on here claiming California was superior. This year it's Ohio. Next year, somebody else.

Nothing compares to Pennsylvania high school wrestling: The state is the Mecca of wrestling. Period.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Just kidding all.

For the first time since 2010 (that's all the further my information for qualifiers and AA's goes), a state other than PA had the most All-Americans.

With 49 NQ's, PA ended with 8 All-Americans.
With 32 NQ's, OH ended with 10 All-Americans

I thought PA needed 8 scoring wrestlers to win...

 

[RoarLions1]

Sooooo...every year the new data (in this case, 2017) is compiled with data starting in 2010. The data below is the 8 year summation of the information...top-10 in each metric;

Qualifiers per Million State Population
IA 4.41
PA 4.20
SD 3.49
NJ 2.93
OH 2.69
DE 2.34
MT 1.88
MN 1.73
OK 1.71
CO 1.71

AA's per Million State Population
IA 1.67
SD 1.21
PA 0.93
DE 0.83
ID 0.79
OH 0.73
MN 0.72
WY 0.66
VT 0.60
NJ 0.58

Qualifiers per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
PA 5.49
VT 5.15
OH 2.68
NJ 2.62
SD 2.19
IA 2.01
DE 1.87
OK 1.79
CO 1.63
MI 1.53

AA's per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
VT 2.21
PA 1.22
IA 0.76
SD 0.76
OH 0.72
DE 0.66
OK 0.58
NJ 0.52
ID 0.50
CO 0.49

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Sooooo...every year the new data (in this case, 2017) is compiled with data starting in 2010. The data below is the 8 year summation of the information...top-10 in each metric;

Qualifiers per Million State Population
IA 4.41
PA 4.20
SD 3.49
NJ 2.93
OH 2.69
DE 2.34
MT 1.88
MN 1.73
OK 1.71
CO 1.71

AA's per Million State Population
IA 1.67
SD 1.21
PA 0.93
DE 0.83
ID 0.79
OH 0.73
MN 0.72
WY 0.66
VT 0.60
NJ 0.58

Qualifiers per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
PA 5.49
VT 5.15
OH 2.68
NJ 2.62
SD 2.19
IA 2.01
DE 1.87
OK 1.79
CO 1.63
MI 1.53

AA's per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
VT 2.21
PA 1.22
IA 0.76
SD 0.76
OH 0.72
DE 0.66
OK 0.58
NJ 0.52
ID 0.50
CO 0.49

Any idea how the number of wrestlers in each state is determined?

 

[RoarLions1]

Any idea how the number of wrestlers in each state is determined?

The National Federation of State High School Associations survey. They publish a participation document for all sports after each school year.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

If the NFSHSA numbers are correct, your headline might have been more correct than you thought, Roar.

PA has approximately 181,000 male high school students, in schools that have wrestling programs. According to NFSHSA, there are 9,800 wrestlers in PA, meaning a participation rate of 5.4%.

Contrast that with Iowa, who has 56,000 male students and 6,400 wrestlers for an 11.3% participation rate.

 

[21Guns]

Iowa is right up there with Pennsylvania in wrestling greatness. A great state for wrestling, no doubt. With that said, Pennsylvania IS the mecca of wrestling.

 

[RoarLions1]

If the NFSHSA numbers are correct, your headline might have been more correct than you thought, Roar.

PA has approximately 181,000 male high school students, in schools that have wrestling programs. According to NFSHSA, there are 9,800 wrestlers in PA, meaning a participation rate of 5.4%.

Contrast that with Iowa, who has 56,000 male students and 6,400 wrestlers for an 11.3% participation rate.

No, the headline was to encourage CLICKS .

Seriously, Pennsylvania is a huge state with lots of diversity, and a huge metropolitan area that does not have the wrestling numbers compared to much of the rest of the state.

I believe PA is the greatest wrestling state in the country, if all the variables were considered. And if one adds New Jersey, New York, and Ohio, 3 of the bordering states, this corner of the college wrestling world, from a High School contribution of talent standpoint, is, by far the best.

 

[21Guns]

I have it like this:

1. Pennsylvania
2. Iowa
3. New Jersey
4. Ohio
5. New York

 

[smalls103]

how on god's green earth do you have iowa #2?

 

[21Guns]

how on god's green earth do you have iowa #2?

Qualifiers per Million State Population
IA 4.41
PA 4.20
SD 3.49
NJ 2.93

AA's per Million State Population
IA 1.67
SD 1.21
PA 0.93
DE 0.83

AA's per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
VT 2.21
PA 1.22
IA 0.76
SD 0.76
OH 0.72

 

[smalls103]

South Dakota clearly top 5 and > Ohio and NJ

per capita #'s mean squat.

 

[21Guns]

South Dakota clearly top 5 and > Ohio and NJ

per capita #'s mean squat.

AA's mean something. AA's per Thousand State High School Wrestlers
VT 2.21
PA 1.22
IA 0.76

Iowa higher than NJ or Ohio there.

 

[smalls103]

That's AA's PER CAPITA.

i've always felt that per capita #'s were just to make people feel better about themselves. You either have the horses or you don't.

VT is not a more efficient wrestling state than PA

 

[Dogwelder]

When a state is as small as Vermont or Wyoming, one or two good coaches, or a few wrestling families, can probably wildly swing their per capita numbers for high-end achievers. That's my guess. If that guess is right, then their numbers of high-end achievers especially might mask a weak grass roots.

 

[RoarLions1]

South Dakota clearly top 5 and > Ohio and NJ

per capita #'s mean squat.

Don't disagree, don't agree...playing the fence on this one. For the really small (population-wise) states, 1 wrestler or 2 can skew the data dramatically. we saw it with the Vermonster, and with Dudley (South Carolina). Those states aren't considered top wrestling states, so just remove them. What's left is a measure of a state's wrestling status compared to other states. Not perfect, just one metric...imo.