Year 2: JoeMo's B1G "O"

[ChiTownLion]

Based on history, Year 2 is when Joe Moorhead's offenses really break out. Pretty scary thought. So, between James Franklin's command of this program and JoeMo's offensive wizardry (behind Matt Limegrover's offensive line), there's going to be a lot of fireworks to enjoy at Beaver Stadium next year.

FORDHAM RAMS
2011: 1-11 Fordham hires Joe Moorhead for 2012 season.
2012: 6-5 Fordham bumps up to 31 ppg, ranking No. 31 in FCS scoring offense.
2013: 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
2014: 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Just read JoeMo's bio at Fordham and let your imagination run wild:

• http://www.fordhamsports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=563

 

[pkg5002]

Its crazy to think about the possibilities in his second year here. He achieved all those figures in the FCS against FCS competition. Now he will have to do it on the big stage. What he has going for him is that at no point in his career would he have had the talent like he has at his disposal right now to work with. We got the horses to go up against anyone in the country (LB could be a little thin though) and JoMo knows it. Touch wood, 2017 is going to be a special year! Mann, Sept cant get here soon enough!!

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

Based on history, Year 2 is when Joe Moorhead's offenses really break out. Pretty scary thought. So, between James Franklin's command of this program and JoeMo's offensive wizardry (behind Matt Limegrover's offensive line), there's going to be a lot of fireworks to enjoy at Beaver Stadium next year.

FORDHAM RAMS
2011: 1-11 Fordham hires Joe Moorhead for 2012 season.
2012: 6-5 Fordham bumps up to 31 ppg, ranking No. 31 in FCS scoring offense.
2013: 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
2014: 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Just read JoeMo's bio at Fordham and let your imagination run wild:

• http://www.fordhamsports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=563

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

 

[PSU Soupy]

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

No offense but I hate posts like this, I like posts that paint a very bright picture of the future for the PSU Offense, that cynics like you destroy. Let's stay with the optimistic views of the offense please.

Also I believe that the defense will be much better next year, please do not shatter this thought.

Thank you.

 

[psuro]

No offense but I hate posts like this, I like posts that paint a very bright picture of the future for the PSU Offense, that cynics like you destroy. Let's stay with the optimistic views of the offense please.

Also I believe that the defense will be much better next year, please do not shatter this thought.

Thank you.

I will take this to the next level and say that I hate all posts, all threads, all websites and all inter webs.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

I get you wanting to thrown them out and being too stubborn to realize Franklin is the man. It's hard to admit that you're wrong and being so wrong hurt. JF's success and this year was very hard on a few of his haters.

 

[Madsol]

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

Does the offensive success of 2016 AUTOMATICALLY translate into similar success in 2017? Of course not. But as we sit here on January 25, only a pure pessimist/Penn State hater can try to argue against the claim that the pieces are in place in 2017 for PSU's best offense since 1994: 2nd year of Moorhead's offense; 2nd year for McSorley in that offense; 2nd year of Limegrover coaching the O line; real and experienced O line depth; potential all B1G TE; B1G offensive player of the year at RB. Experienced WRs with exciting young players behind them. It's getting harder and harder for you with your Franklin-is-awful-and-PSU-is-finished routine.

 

[AWS1022]

No offense but I hate posts like this, I like posts that paint a very bright picture of the future for the PSU Offense, that cynics like you destroy. Let's stay with the optimistic views of the offense please.

Also I believe that the defense will be much better next year, please do not shatter this thought.

Thank you.

Why would you let anything he posts shatter your beliefs? He is clueless and his only motivation is a hatred of Franklin. I guess having just about everyone back on a championship team doesn't mean anything unless it's Bama, Clemson or Ohio State. No need to get excited about that if you're Penn State...for some reason having most of a really good team back for that program means nothing.

 

[BobPSU92]

I will take this to the next level and say that I hate all posts, all threads, all websites and all inter webs.

And me.

 

[NICNEM_PSU80]

I don't want to take anything away from JoMo. He is great and I hope he's a lifer!

That said, while JoMo was a large part of the turn around into an electric team, the praise needs to be spread around. It is rare that a team gels like they did last year. One for all and all for one! credit CJF for that unbelievable amount of unity and team spirit. To me that was the most important aspect of the turn around.

SB reassuring Miles after a fumble. McSorely being the cheerleader of the year (right after CJF). Limegrover being a great OL coach and Pry doing a great deal with what looked like a bare cupboard. It was truly a team effort that was led by the head coach.

2017, can't wait!

 

[bwifan]

Based on history, Year 2 is when Joe Moorhead's offenses really break out. Pretty scary thought. So, between James Franklin's command of this program and JoeMo's offensive wizardry (behind Matt Limegrover's offensive line), there's going to be a lot of fireworks to enjoy at Beaver Stadium next year.

FORDHAM RAMS
2011: 1-11 Fordham hires Joe Moorhead for 2012 season.
2012: 6-5 Fordham bumps up to 31 ppg, ranking No. 31 in FCS scoring offense.
2013: 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
2014: 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Just read JoeMo's bio at Fordham and let your imagination run wild:

• http://www.fordhamsports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=563

Agree totally. Why I was excited he is here at least 1 more year. Players get another off season in the program learning the scheme and nuances of this offense. Will allow them to play faster and not think. They know what's expected of them and how he coaches. Just so many positives. Add in a Oline that has both skill and finally depth, with so many skill positions returning starters the sky is the limit. I like that the young Oline guys get a good off season in the weight room to add strength and size. It won't come easy as teams will spend the off season breaking down the PSU offense and design best ways to stop it. Why I love JoeMo and his ability to adjust and keep the offense moving forward. The full playbook should now be able to be used all next season from game 1. I cannot wait for next season already.

 

[Art]

So you like history. You also seem to like small sample sizes. If you look at comparative offensive statistics from the first to second years during which Moorhead was OC at two other schools, Akron and UConn, you'd see a different story.

That being said, there are all sorts of reasons for performance differences, none of which I explored. Then again, neither did you. Let's hope you are right. But what this should tell you is don't lead with your chin.

 

[lionville]

I just hope he can draw up a play to get the yards needed for a first down to ice a game.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I just hope he can draw up a play to get the yards needed for a first down to ice a game.

So does every OC and HC around....ever. Unless you know of that undefeated coach out there.

 

[Obliviax]

Loved the JoeMo hire and loved the offense. Looking forward:

• Loss of Godwin and Gaia are big, if not huge. No telling how those losses will affect the offense next year. Gaia was key in calling out blocking assignments and this was key to improvement in 2016.
• I look for another layer of complexity going into 2017. Last year, it was all 100% new. Next year, it is not. We started the season a little slow on offense so familiarity is helpful.
• JoeMo needs to fix the first half performance. I have no idea what the problems were, but to be a championship team, we can't afford to be behind by double digits in the second quarter in games in 2017. Is that improved game planning? I have no idea but execution in the first half in many games was ridiculously bad (is it wrong to state that JayPa's first halfs were better?).

 

[ChiTownLion]

For anyone who values the insight of JoeMo's record-breaking QB at Fordham:

 

[Obliviax]

For anyone who values the insight of JoeMo's record-breaking QB at Fordham:

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I like the enthusiasm and hope...but one example of a "year two" isn't a trend. What am I missing?

 

[psualum10]

Agree totally. Why I was excited he is here at least 1 more year. Players get another off season in the program learning the scheme and nuances of this offense. Will allow them to play faster and not think. They know what's expected of them and how he coaches. Just so many positives. Add in a Oline that has both skill and finally depth, with so many skill positions returning starters the sky is the limit. I like that the young Oline guys get a good off season in the weight room to add strength and size. It won't come easy as teams will spend the off season breaking down the PSU offense and design best ways to stop it. Why I love JoeMo and his ability to adjust and keep the offense moving forward. The full playbook should now be able to be used all next season from game 1. I cannot wait for next season already.

Game 2 ... no reason to have the entire playbook open for Akron when we can do it for Pitt one week later lol

 

[Madsol]

I like the enthusiasm and hope...but one example of a "year two" isn't a trend. What am I missing?

What about the progression we saw over the course of last season? Why is it so hard to imagine that an offense that returns what we return is only going to continue the upward trend we saw over the course of the final 2/3 of last season? Heck, I really couldn't care less what happened at Moorhead's other stops. I saw the growth in this offense as this past season progressed. And with McSorley having another year in the offense, and with Barkley just being a total and complete beast, and with some very real depth on the OL, and with Gesicki being a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses, I'm just really struggling to understand why we SHOULDN'T be optimistic about the offense in 2017. Frankly, the onus is on you to say why we WON'T be better because the evidence that supports why the offense will be even better in 2017 is pretty significant.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Is anyone really concerned the O is going to go back to the way it was pre-JoMo? I get some people feel the need to try and offer an opposing opinion, but this really isn't some huge concern of mine. PSU will put up a points next year.

 

[Obliviax]

What about the progression we saw over the course of last season? Why is it so hard to imagine that an offense that returns what we return is only going to continue the upward trend we saw over the course of the final 2/3 of last season? Heck, I really couldn't care less what happened at Moorhead's other stops. I saw the growth in this offense as this past season progressed. And with McSorley having another year in the offense, and with Barkley just being a total and complete beast, and with some very real depth on the OL, and with Gesicki being a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses, I'm just really struggling to understand why we SHOULDN'T be optimistic about the offense in 2017. Frankly, the onus is on you to say why we WON'T be better because the evidence that supports why the offense will be even better in 2017 is pretty significant.

I don't think I said anything to dissuade any of your points. I don't know if year two improvement is due to "JoeMo's offense" or just a second year in the system or that we have lost so few guys on offense. As stated, I am very bullish on our offense for 2017 (as I was, leading the charge, for JoeMo in 2016).

 

[Madsol]

I don't think I said anything to dissuade any of your points. I don't know if year two improvement is due to "JoeMo's offense" or just a second year in the system or that we have lost so few guys on offense. As stated, I am very bullish on our offense for 2017 (as I was, leading the charge, for JoeMo in 2016).

OK, then perhaps I read your post wrong. Look, I get that this isn't a video game and that progression is not automatic. But I've read more than a few posts where people seem to be questioning the optimism about the offense. And to me, at this stage of the year, pessimists simply do not have a leg to stand on to support their position.

 

[Obliviax]

OK, then perhaps I read your post wrong. Look, I get that this isn't a video game and that progression is not automatic. But I've read more than a few posts where people seem to be questioning the optimism about the offense. And to me, at this stage of the year, pessimists simply do not have a leg to stand on to support their position.

its all good, bro. But each year is a new year...its a process, not a destination. So many issues out of the staff's control. here is what I wrote:

Loved the JoeMo hire and loved the offense. Looking forward:

• Loss of Godwin and Gaia are big, if not huge. No telling how those losses will affect the offense next year. Gaia was key in calling out blocking assignments and this was key to improvement in 2016.
• I look for another layer of complexity going into 2017. Last year, it was all 100% new. Next year, it is not. We started the season a little slow on offense so familiarity is helpful.
• JoeMo needs to fix the first half performance. I have no idea what the problems were, but to be a championship team, we can't afford to be behind by double digits in the second quarter in games in 2017. Is that improved game planning? I have no idea but execution in the first half in many games was ridiculously bad (is it wrong to state that JayPa's first halfs were better?).

 

[sluggo72]

its all good, bro. But each year is a new year...its a process, not a destination. So many issues out of the staff's control. here is what I wrote:

Loved the JoeMo hire and loved the offense. Looking forward:

• Loss of Godwin and Gaia are big, if not huge. No telling how those losses will affect the offense next year. Gaia was key in calling out blocking assignments and this was key to improvement in 2016.
• I look for another layer of complexity going into 2017. Last year, it was all 100% new. Next year, it is not. We started the season a little slow on offense so familiarity is helpful.
• JoeMo needs to fix the first half performance. I have no idea what the problems were, but to be a championship team, we can't afford to be behind by double digits in the second quarter in games in 2017. Is that improved game planning? I have no idea but execution in the first half in many games was ridiculously bad (is it wrong to state that JayPa's first halfs were better?).

now really, who in 2014, 2015 would have believed this statement....'Loss of xxxx and Gaia are big, if not huge'. Just thinking back a few years and remembering the thoughts at that time, oh what a difference a few years makes!

 

[Obliviax]

now really, who in 2014, 2015 would have believed this statement....'Loss of xxxx and Gaia are big, if not huge'. Just thinking back a few years and remembering the thoughts at that time, oh what a difference a few years makes!

Agree. I don't think Gaia was ever a great blocker or snapper, but his value was in leadership and experience. Perhaps these won't be needed, as much, in 2017. But Gaia is a great PSU guy and there is no question, at least initially, his graduation is a loss to football.

 

[psugisher]

First halves weren't the best but we did score tds in the first drive vs Md, Purdue, Iowa and Indiana. We also had a first good drive vs OSU but had the fg blocked. We were taking the ball first every game and attempting to jump on teams which I liked. I think we'll see much better first halves next season as our guys should be comfortable and extremely confident going against anyone. Part of our struggles in the first half of the season were our terrible 3rd down conversion percentage. I think we were below 30% at one point but in the second half we were closer to 40%. I think the big plays this year will lead to teams playing us more cautious and we'll have the opportunity to put together longer drives and maybe wear teams down a little more. Playbook can be added to as our guys were just getting comfortable. Get a lead early and let our pass rushers tee off.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Yes, it was FCS, but I still can't get over these two credentials:

• 2013 (Year 2): 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
• 2014 (Year 3): 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Of course Trace isn't going to throw for 4,000 yards next year, nor will we have three 1,000-yard receivers. But, if we did, who would they be?

And of course we're not going to have seven All Americans on offense in 2018 (although we did have five in 1994), but if we did, who might they be?

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Second point, you know Urban Meyer is counting on a Joe Moorhead-type impact by Kevin Wilson. And he just might get it. Difference is, OSU knowingly hired a guy who was fired for abusing his players. And they have Schiano on D. Louis Freeh might have a few words to say about that.

 

[Cosmos]

Based on history, Year 2 is when Joe Moorhead's offenses really break out. Pretty scary thought. So, between James Franklin's command of this program and JoeMo's offensive wizardry (behind Matt Limegrover's offensive line), there's going to be a lot of fireworks to enjoy at Beaver Stadium next year.

FORDHAM RAMS
2011: 1-11 Fordham hires Joe Moorhead for 2012 season.
2012: 6-5 Fordham bumps up to 31 ppg, ranking No. 31 in FCS scoring offense.
2013: 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
2014: 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Just read JoeMo's bio at Fordham and let your imagination run wild:

• http://www.fordhamsports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=563

Interesting thesis. Word of caution. That was FCS. This is 'lil Ten. Also, beware of the 'sophomore swoon'. I fear some of younz are setting yourselves up for a big disappointment in 2017. That is all.

 

[psuro]

Interesting thesis. Word of caution. That was Ivy League. This is 'lil Ten. Also, beware of the 'sophomore swoon'. I fear some of younz are setting yourselves up for a big disappointment in 2017. That is all.

Fordham? Ivy League?

 

[Art]

Yes, it was FCS, but I still can't get over these two credentials:

• 2013 (Year 2): 12-2 Fordham becomes the first team in NCAA history to have a 4,000-yard passer, three 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.
• 2014 (Year 3): 11-3 Fordham offense produces seven All-Americans.

Of course Trace isn't going to throw for 4,000 yards next year, nor will we have three 1,000-yard receivers. But, if we did, who would they be?

And of course we're not going to have seven All Americans on offense in 2018 (although we did have five in 1994), but if we did, who might they be?

- - - - -

Second point, you know Urban Meyer is counting on a Joe Moorhead-type impact by Kevin Wilson. And he just might get it. Difference is, OSU knowingly hired a guy who was fired for abusing his players. And they have Schiano on D. Louis Freeh might have a few words to say about that.

So you like to cherry pick statistics? How about these:

UConn

2009 (JoMo Year 1): 31.2 pts/game, 5034 yards total offense

2010 (JoMo Year 2): 26.4 pts/game, 4235 yards total offense

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[Howie'81]

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

No "offense," but I hate posts like yours.

 

[ChiTownLion]

So you like to cherry pick statistics? How about these:

UConn

2009 (JoMo Year 1): 31.2 pts/game, 5034 yards total offense

2010 (JoMo Year 2): 26.4 pts/game, 4235 yards total offense

Ok, then maybe the appropriate word would be precedent. In any event, would like to see this trend continue...

 

[psugisher]

Interesting thesis. Word of caution. That was FCS. This is 'lil Ten. Also, beware of the 'sophomore swoon'. I fear some of younz are setting yourselves up for a big disappointment in 2017. That is all.

Expectations are high so disappointment is certainly possible. We will be ranked top 10 to start the season though with two heisman candidates and most of the offense and defense back. This isn't a season to have low expectations unless you're a pessimistic person to begin with. Seriously.. what are your expectations?

 

[cjrugger]

This thread really sums up the state of suckitude on this board lately. After 5 years of going through absolute insanity (take a second to think back to just a few of the things that have gone on since Nov 2011), the football team just won 9 straight games to win the conference and played one of the best Rose Bowl games I've ever seen.

The result? Everyone seems angrier, grumpier, and complains more than ever. I give up, not going to wade through you miserable souls anymore

 

[lyndj]

No "offense", but I hate posts like yours. Every mouth-breathing college football fan knows that PSU's offense was operating at a very high level (enviable?) the last half of the 2016 season.

Does that translate into a similarly successful 2017? No.

Too many things can happen, personnel-wise. Further, your statistics-laden graphic was based on data from which JoeMo was the Head Coach....

While I would like JoeMo to be the Head Coach, the reality is that he "isn't". Let's just throw out the historic JoeMo statistics.

I'm very curious to know what your big objection to Franklin is? It's been obvious that you can't stand him. What gives? Is he too flashy for you, too arrogant? Cares too much about the academics of his players?, likes to have control of the FB program? What?

 

[Nitt1300]

This thread really sums up the state of suckitude on this board lately. After 5 years of going through absolute insanity (take a second to think back to just a few of the things that have gone on since Nov 2011), the football team just won 9 straight games to win the conference and played one of the best Rose Bowl games I've ever seen.

The result? Everyone seems angrier, grumpier, and complains more than ever. I give up, not going to wade through you miserable souls anymore

I was going to "like" this but didn't want that to be misunderstood as liking your leaving.

But I certainly agree that we have some truly miserable humans posting here who try to turn everything into a shit sandwich.