Yesterday

[psykim]

Defense played butts off. But the amount of time/plays on the field the last few weeks is why they were so tired second half. Our offensive time of possession has to be better to give those guys a break. It’ll
Get better next year, but just unfortunately a perfect storm

 

[Samurailion]

We keep Rahne, it wont change. He is terrible. Worst decision Franklin has ever made.

 

[CFett]

PSU time of possession the past few weeks:

UM: 22 minutes
Iowa: 24 minutes
Indiana: 26 minutes
MSU: 25 minutes
OSU: 31 minutes
Illinois: 29 minutes

Since MSU, this has been unacceptable. The defense has actually improved, at least IMO, on a weekly basis. The offense has somehow regressed on a weekly basis, which should not be the case. I've seen a handful of posters say "we're young" as an excuse on offense, and that's simply false. Our QB is a RS senior, tailback is a true junior, wide receivers have all been in the program at least 3 years (Johnson, Thompkins, Polk) except for Hamler, and our offensive line is all either 2 or 3 year starters at this point. The only true freshman starting is Freiermuth and he's doing better than just about any other receiver out there.

If the offense can't sustain drives what do you expect the defense to do when they're on the field almost 40 minutes? I don't care how often you rotate, the players are going to be gassed and it's only going to hurt us later in the season.

 

[NittanyLogan'11]

Well Rahne refuses to had the ball off to our All-American, #1 rated running back so the TOP is going to be skewed.

 

[CFett]

Well Rahne refuses to had the ball off to our All-American, #1 rated running back so the TOP is going to be skewed.

It's almost ironic. Under Paterno, how often did we get tired of just running the ball play after play. Now, I find myself screaming run the damn ball at the TV because Miles Sanders was given the ball 7 DAMN TIMES yesterday. He hasn't carried the ball more than 20 times since Indiana (when he ran for over 200 yards) and almost every week this year the QBs have more rushes than he does. If I'm him I think about going pro just because they don't give him the ball.

I think for the most part Miles has exceeded expectations this year. Too bad the coaches don't seem to think that.

 

[ColinPSU]

PSU time of possession the past few weeks:

UM: 22 minutes
Iowa: 24 minutes
Indiana: 26 minutes
MSU: 25 minutes
OSU: 31 minutes
Illinois: 29 minutes

Since MSU, this has been unacceptable. The defense has actually improved, at least IMO, on a weekly basis. The offense has somehow regressed on a weekly basis, which should not be the case. I've seen a handful of posters say "we're young" as an excuse on offense, and that's simply false. Our QB is a RS senior, tailback is a true junior, wide receivers have all been in the program at least 3 years (Johnson, Thompkins, Polk) except for Hamler, and our offensive line is all either 2 or 3 year starters at this point. The only true freshman starting is Freiermuth and he's doing better than just about any other receiver out there.

If the offense can't sustain drives what do you expect the defense to do when they're on the field almost 40 minutes? I don't care how often you rotate, the players are going to be gassed and it's only going to hurt us later in the season.

This isn’t new for 18. Our offense has been horrible with TOP/3rd down conversions since 16.

This offense will NEVER be successful against good teams.

 

[CFett]

This isn’t new for 18. Our offense has been horrible with TOP/3rd down conversions since 16.

This offense will NEVER be successful against good teams.

You're right. The only thing masking this problem was in the past we lost the TOP battle but chunk plays lifted us up on the scoreboard. Once we lost any ability to throw deep, it became that much more of an issue.

 

[NittanyLogan'11]

It's almost ironic. Under Paterno, how often did we get tired of just running the ball play after play. Now, I find myself screaming run the damn ball at the TV because Miles Sanders was given the ball 7 DAMN TIMES yesterday. He hasn't carried the ball more than 20 times since Indiana (when he ran for over 200 yards) and almost every week this year the QBs have more rushes than he does. If I'm him I think about going pro just because they don't give him the damn ball.

I think for the most part Miles has exceeded expectations this year. Too bad the coaches don't seem to think that.

Will go down as the biggest waste of talent in school history and it will be 0% his fault. He's an absolute stud but bc he's the guy that followed Barkley, this staff treats him like chopped liver.

No idea what Devyn Ford sees in this offense to stay committed.

 

[razpsu]

Blue and white glasses on. Defense has improved greatly because of all of the playing time. Just sayin.

 

[acg116]

It's almost ironic. Under Paterno, how often did we get tired of just running the ball play after play. Now, I find myself screaming run the damn ball at the TV because Miles Sanders was given the ball 7 DAMN TIMES yesterday. He hasn't carried the ball more than 20 times since Indiana (when he ran for over 200 yards) and almost every week this year the QBs have more rushes than he does. If I'm him I think about going pro just because they don't give him the ball.

I think for the most part Miles has exceeded expectations this year. Too bad the coaches don't seem to think that.

It’s funny that the only time we try any sort of power run game it’s with the qb, not our stud running back. Maddening.

 

[PSUJim]

It's almost ironic. Under Paterno, how often did we get tired of just running the ball play after play. Now, I find myself screaming run the damn ball at the TV because Miles Sanders was given the ball 7 DAMN TIMES yesterday. He hasn't carried the ball more than 20 times since Indiana (when he ran for over 200 yards) and almost every week this year the QBs have more rushes than he does. If I'm him I think about going pro just because they don't give him the ball.

I think for the most part Miles has exceeded expectations this year. Too bad the coaches don't seem to think that.

Cfett, what exactly has Sanders done to say he should go pro??? I mean, seriously, he has had some fumbles that have been VERY costly, and while he had a great game against IU, that is not the level he would be playing against in the NFL. At times he hasn't looked decisive to me, and he doesn't like to just turn the ball upfield and get some yards. While I absolutely get that it is hard to get into a rhythm with less than 10 carries in a game, there have been very few runs that have jumped out screaming "go to the NFL", and you can not discount a few very costly fumbles, one of which killed our momentum against OSU.

 

[CFett]

Cfett, what exactly has Sanders done to say he should go pro??? I mean, seriously, he has had some fumbles that have been VERY costly, and while he had a great game against IU, that is not the level he would be playing against in the NFL. At times he hasn't looked decisive to me, and he doesn't like to just turn the ball upfield and get some yards. While I absolutely get that it is hard to get into a rhythm with less than 10 carries in a game, there have been very few runs that have jumped out screaming "go to the NFL", and you can not discount a few very costly fumbles, one of which killed our momentum against OSU.

I think some of the fumble issues are overstated. It's not him fumbling as much as the most hated "mesh point" issues with Trace. I think the fumbles the past 2 weeks have each been just as much on Trace as on Sanders. I'm not saying he's been lighting it up and obviously should go pro, it was more tongue in cheek that based on how he's been used so far in the second half of the season it's not promising for how he'll be used next year.

 

[PSUJim]

We keep Rahne, it wont change. He is terrible. Worst decision Franklin has ever made.

Samurailion, I can't agree with this statement yet. To me, Trace has really struggled this year, and the receivers, nor the line, has helped at times. We can't get into a rhythm, and that hasn't just been Rahne fault. Yes, you can put some blame there, but we have had different guys, at different critical times, making mistakes. Fumbles by Jr's, bad passes by a Sr. QB, dropped passes by Jr. and Senior receivers, motion and holding calls that have put us continually in 2nd and long. It has just been a bad combination. While the defense potentially cost us a few games over the past few years, the pendulum has swung more towards the offense costing us games now. I don't think Pry is any better of a defensive coach now than he was last year, and I don't know that Rahne is any worse of an OC than he was in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I am not a huge fan of the play-calling at times, but the inability of our players to step up and make plays has not helped. Rahne did not fumble against OSU, nor did he drop interceptions against MSU. He didn't overthrow a wide-open receiver on Saturday, nor did he throw a pick six against Iowa, or fumble on 1st and goal from the 8 where we could have put the game away. Yes, he should take some of the heat, but the issues at times are more with our players making plays, including OL picking up simple stunts and twists. I swear sometimes I think our OL block like they aren't allowed to use their hands.

 

[acg116]

Cfett, what exactly has Sanders done to say he should go pro??? I mean, seriously, he has had some fumbles that have been VERY costly, and while he had a great game against IU, that is not the level he would be playing against in the NFL. At times he hasn't looked decisive to me, and he doesn't like to just turn the ball upfield and get some yards. While I absolutely get that it is hard to get into a rhythm with less than 10 carries in a game, there have been very few runs that have jumped out screaming "go to the NFL", and you can not discount a few very costly fumbles, one of which killed our momentum against OSU.

If he gets a mid round grade, and he doesn’t feel like the things he’s lacking will improve on by staying another year, he should go. He doesn’t need to have a first round grade for it to make sense for him to leave, especially if we continue to f up his production here. Why would you come back if they’re going to give more carries to the qb than to the rb?

 

[PSUJim]

I think some of the fumble issues are overstated. It's not him fumbling as much as the most hated "mesh point" issues with Trace. I think the fumbles the past 2 weeks have each been just as much on Trace as on Sanders. I'm not saying he's been lighting it up and obviously should go pro, it was more tongue in cheek than based on how he's been used so far in the second half of the season it's not promising for how he'll be used next year.

I get that, and I don't disagree with you. I think the fumble this week was on Trace, and the one against Iowa was more on Miles. The one against OSU really hurt, and that was all on Miles.

 

[PSUJim]

If he gets a mid round grade, and he doesn’t feel like the things he’s lacking will improve on by staying another year, he should go. He doesn’t need to have a first round grade for it to make sense for him to leave, especially if we continue to f up his production here. Why would you come back if they’re going to give more carries to the qb than to the rb?

I get it, but to me, there have been very few plays that have jumped out and screamed NFL running back. To think that the scouts don't look at things like vision and stats against better teams is not accurate. YES, the combine and testing is important - especially for marginal players. But to me, he just has too light of a resume to say he should jump and end up getting a lower round than if he would stay in college and continue to improve. Barkley was a no-brainer in one-direction, and I just don't see that leaving would be a good decision for Sanders next year.

As far as PSU goes, I think RB is a position that you can fill pretty quickly with a younger guy, so I don't think it would impact PSU as much as some think.

 

[acg116]

I get it, but to me, there have been very few plays that have jumped out and screamed NFL running back. To think that the scouts don't look at things like vision and stats against better teams is not accurate. YES, the combine and testing is important - especially for marginal players. But to me, he just has too light of a resume to say he should jump and end up getting a lower round than if he would stay in college and continue to improve. Barkley was a no-brainer in one-direction, and I just don't see that leaving would be a good decision for Sanders next year.

As far as PSU goes, I think RB is a position that you can fill pretty quickly with a younger guy, so I don't think it would impact PSU as much as some think.

Maybe. I’m pretty sure he has some other financial considerations that might make leaving early compelling, even if he could help his draft status by staying:

 

[PSUJim]

Maybe. I’m pretty sure he has some other financial considerations that might make leaving early compelling, even if he could help his draft status by staying:

acg116, that very well could be the case, and I won't doubt you at all on that. Again, hope he stays, but it is a position that is a little easier to plug a younger guy into without significant drop-off. Blocking is the main thing most guys need to learn, but if they can overcome that part than they can contribute very early.

 

[tsgoodling]

We keep Rahne, it , , wont change. He is terrible. Worst decision Franklin has ever made.

If he is the OC next season, Franklin will be fired in 2020. The truth is ... 7-5. 7-5, Barkley , Barkley , 2018 fiasco , another egg ands for he is gone !!
His refusal to play the younger players will impact his recruiting that is his calling card

 

[Samurailion]

Samurailion, I can't agree with this statement yet. To me, Trace has really struggled this year, and the receivers, nor the line, has helped at times. We can't get into a rhythm, and that hasn't just been Rahne fault. Yes, you can put some blame there, but we have had different guys, at different critical times, making mistakes. Fumbles by Jr's, bad passes by a Sr. QB, dropped passes by Jr. and Senior receivers, motion and holding calls that have put us continually in 2nd and long. It has just been a bad combination. While the defense potentially cost us a few games over the past few years, the pendulum has swung more towards the offense costing us games now. I don't think Pry is any better of a defensive coach now than he was last year, and I don't know that Rahne is any worse of an OC than he was in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I am not a huge fan of the play-calling at times, but the inability of our players to step up and make plays has not helped. Rahne did not fumble against OSU, nor did he drop interceptions against MSU. He didn't overthrow a wide-open receiver on Saturday, nor did he throw a pick six against Iowa, or fumble on 1st and goal from the 8 where we could have put the game away. Yes, he should take some of the heat, but the issues at times are more with our players making plays, including OL picking up simple stunts and twists. I swear sometimes I think our OL block like they aren't allowed to use their hands.

I understand what you are saying, however his offense reminds me of the later Paterno years, i literally call the plays from my couch before they happen. Rahne has no creativity and does not have his own style. He is simply trying to be Moorhead and its not working. Psu is not a place to "learn" the ropes of being an OC. Franklin should have hired a guy from outside instead of promoting his buddy. If Rahne stays then him and Franklin can move on to another program together in the near future.

 

[JayWye]

Samurailion, I can't agree with this statement yet. To me, Trace has really struggled this year, and the receivers, nor the line, has helped at times. We can't get into a rhythm, and that hasn't just been Rahne fault. Yes, you can put some blame there, but we have had different guys, at different critical times, making mistakes. Fumbles by Jr's, bad passes by a Sr. QB, dropped passes by Jr. and Senior receivers, motion and holding calls that have put us continually in 2nd and long. It has just been a bad combination. While the defense potentially cost us a few games over the past few years, the pendulum has swung more towards the offense costing us games now. I don't think Pry is any better of a defensive coach now than he was last year, and I don't know that Rahne is any worse of an OC than he was in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I am not a huge fan of the play-calling at times, but the inability of our players to step up and make plays has not helped. Rahne did not fumble against OSU, nor did he drop interceptions against MSU. He didn't overthrow a wide-open receiver on Saturday, nor did he throw a pick six against Iowa, or fumble on 1st and goal from the 8 where we could have put the game away. Yes, he should take some of the heat, but the issues at times are more with our players making plays, including OL picking up simple stunts and twists. I swear sometimes I think our OL block like they aren't allowed to use their hands.

Whose responsibility is it when players repeatedly "fail to step up?" If not the coaches, then who??

 

[PSUJim]

I understand what you are saying, however his offense reminds me of the later Paterno years, i literally call the plays from my couch before they happen. Rahne has no creativity and does not have his own style. He is simply trying to be Moorhead and its not working. Psu is not a place to "learn" the ropes of being an OC. Franklin should have hired a guy from outside instead of promoting his buddy. If Rahne stays then him and Franklin can move on to another program together in the near future.

I don't agree with that Samurailion. I think it is a total overreaction and while we are all frustrated with the way the season has played out the past 5 weeks, I don't believe that would be a good long-term decision. IMHO, we were 2 or 3 plays away from being in the top echelon where we probably did not belong. If we win 3 or 4 more games this season, end up in the top 15 teams, I think we will be about where we belong this year. Had Trace had the year we expected, then I think we would be solidly in the top 10. We just don't have enough players stepping up right now to be a top 5-10 team.

 

[PSUJim]

Whose responsibility is it when players repeatedly "fail to step up?" If not the coaches, then who??

JayWye, I absolutely agree with that. But to me, we have had so many different scenarios, some offense, some defense, that you can't just clean house everywhere that is not performing. Should Pry have been fired when we had guys dropping interceptions? Should we fire Rahne because Trace had a bad game against MSU? Should Limegrover be fired because we have 1 or 2 kids that have regressed? I don't know the answer, but I do know that we have had 2 top 10 finishes, and will most likely end up in the top 15 this year if we finish strong. There are A LOT of TEAMS, and STAFFS, that wish they could say that. The sad part is, for all of the things we are jumping on right now, and demanding changes, if we hold onto an interception in our chest against MSU, we are probably ranked 10-12 even with the Michigan thrashing. If we get one first down, or make one defensive play against OSU, then we probably are top 10-12, even with the thrashing at Michigan. Just like we we were one or 2 plays away from losing to App. State. Many college games, including top 10 teams, end up being decided by one kid making a play, or not making a play. PSU just hasn't made enough plays to be in that top tier this year, yet we have only been blown out in one game - albeit a painful one.

Football is a game of emotion and momentum swings. We lost a lot of that IT factor in the 2nd half of OSU, and have struggled to get it back. If we don't have the blocked return called back due to a penalty, and if Trace hits Thompkins for the easy TD pass, who knows emotionally how the game plays out on Saturday. I absolutely feel the coaches have to held accountable, but to start saying we should be firing a bunch of coaches because of a few losses we don't like, is again an overreaction and nearly every college program would be turning over their staffs every year except for Alabama..

 

[PSUJim]

Will go down as the biggest waste of talent in school history and it will be 0% his fault. He's an absolute stud but bc he's the guy that followed Barkley, this staff treats him like chopped liver.

No idea what Devyn Ford sees in this offense to stay committed.

NittanyLogan, you can not discount some of the fumbles, like against OSU and Iowa. Yes, he looked like a world-beater against Indiana, and he is a solid back, but I don't think anyone can say that he is the biggest waste of talent in school history by any means. And at least a few of the critical fumbles were his fault.

 

[NittanyLogan'11]

NittanyLogan, you can not discount some of the fumbles, like against OSU and Iowa. Yes, he looked like a world-beater against Indiana, and he is a solid back, but I don't think anyone can say that he is the biggest waste of talent in school history by any means. And at least a few of the critical fumbles were his fault.

No doubt, fumbling was an issue earlier in his career as well. Waste of talent isn't directed at him, I mean it like the coaches are wasting his talent.

He was fantastic against MSU and gave us a dose of how great he can be with consistency and confidence. Unfortunately, the staff doesn't give him consistent touches and clearly don't have confidence in him to shoulder the burden which must wear on his own confidence.

 

[Norene]

Quickly:
We could not beat the Michigan defense by dropping our injured web into a standard pocket.
We had to move our qb and roll him out as well.... spreading,their inside core defense
We had no-one in motion at all. Watch how much motion good offensive teams use.it freezes the linebackers
None from us.
With Morehead.; every game we fooled the D_backs and they lost someone. How many times did we have a receiver open by 10 yards downfield waiting ... we confused the defense... that has not happened this year “once”. It is all on the offensive coordinator.

Lastly we lost a great offensive coordinator.... a great wideout coach ( going to Alabama... check out their wideouts this year).;; and we hired a coach from Army..;; who never throws the ball

Lastly; why can we not ever do an overload blitz and get a direct line to their qb.
IT IS ALL ABOUT COACHING.
That said: I love Franklin as the PSU coach.

 

[PSUJim]

Quickly:
We could not beat the Michigan defense by dropping our injured web into a standard pocket.
We had to move our qb and roll him out as well.... spreading,their inside core defense
We had no-one in motion at all. Watch how much motion good offensive teams use.it freezes the linebackers
None from us.
With Morehead.; every game we fooled the D_backs and they lost someone. How many times did we have a receiver open by 10 yards downfield waiting ... we confused the defense... that has not happened this year “once”. It is all on the offensive coordinator.

Lastly we lost a great offensive coordinator.... a great wideout coach ( going to Alabama... check out their wideouts this year).;; and we hired a coach from Army..;; who never throws the ball

Lastly; why can we not ever do an overload blitz and get a direct line to their qb.
IT IS ALL ABOUT COACHING.
That said: I love Franklin as the PSU coach.

To this day, I don't understand the love affair with JoeMo. Look, I wish he was still here as well, but that is not a knock on Rahne. Joe was a change of pace and sparked some energy in the program, however, our offense was very difficult to watch at times with him calling the plays. There were many games that Barkley, the best back in the country, would have 100 yards where he would bust one for 70-80 yards, and then have 15 carries for 20 yards for his other carries. We had a ton of negative plays, and often looked out of sync as well. We just had more explosive plays and that was partly due to the talent we had.

Again, if we hold an interception, or make one defensive stop, we are ranked in a similar place as the years that JoeMo was here.

 

[PSUJim]

Quickly:
We could not beat the Michigan defense by dropping our injured web into a standard pocket.
We had to move our qb and roll him out as well.... spreading,their inside core defense
We had no-one in motion at all. Watch how much motion good offensive teams use.it freezes the linebackers
None from us.
With Morehead.; every game we fooled the D_backs and they lost someone. How many times did we have a receiver open by 10 yards downfield waiting ... we confused the defense... that has not happened this year “once”. It is all on the offensive coordinator.

Lastly we lost a great offensive coordinator.... a great wideout coach ( going to Alabama... check out their wideouts this year).;; and we hired a coach from Army..;; who never throws the ball

Lastly; why can we not ever do an overload blitz and get a direct line to their qb.
IT IS ALL ABOUT COACHING.
That said: I love Franklin as the PSU coach.

The only thing I will add is that Trace did look more confident/comfortable last year and Joe was the OC. I don't know if that was because he was on the field with him and not just calling plays from the booth.

 

[stacyusaf]

Defense played butts off. But the amount of time/plays on the field the last few weeks is why they were so tired second half. Our offensive time of possession has to be better to give those guys a break. It’ll
Get better next year, but just unfortunately a perfect storm

D played great, Farmer does not need to play anymore

 

[tgar]

All of Franklin’s troubles seemed so far away
Now it looks as if they’re here to stay
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly, Rahne’s not half the man he used to be
There’s a shadow hanging over poor Rahne
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why JoMo had to go
I don’t know, he wouldn’t say
Sandy Barbour said something wrong
Now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday, offense was such an easy game to play
Now it’s gone to hide away
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Why JoMo had to go
I don’t know, he wouldn’t say
Sandy Barbour needs to spend more
Now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, offense was such an easy game to play
Barkley was always there to save the day
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Mmmmm mmmm mesh point mmmmm mmmmm

 

[CFett]

All of Franklin’s troubles seemed so far away
Now it looks as if they’re here to stay
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly, Rahne’s not half the man he used to be
There’s a shadow hanging over poor Rahne
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why JoMo had to go
I don’t know, he wouldn’t say
Sandy Barbour said something wrong
Now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday, offense was such an easy game to play
Now it’s gone to hide away
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Why JoMo had to go
I don’t know, he wouldn’t say
Sandy Barbour needs to spend more
Now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, offense was such an easy game to play
Barkley was always there to save the day
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Mmmmm mmmm mesh point mmmmm mmmmm

 

[ikebar7]

It's hilarious that we have the #1 RB out of HS who has lived up to/exceeded his potential and he doesn't touch the ball. I always laugh when people are asking "where's Slade?". Regardless of whether he's injured or in the doghouse, if our All American #1 RB is averaging 12 touches a game, there's not even room for a backup RB.

On top of the time of possession issues, also look at the snap counts. They go hand in hand. Our defense is playing 20+ more snaps than the offense in each of the last 4 games. The one thing that gives me hope is how well our defense has played given the circumstances.

I also agree on the fact that the "young team" is a BS excuse. It's a valid excuse when your young players are making mistakes, but the fact is the young players are the only ones playing well. If it wasn't for the young players, we could have a losing record at this point.

The O-line is a problem. Although they played better in the 2nd half, the first half they got overpowered. Bulled over, couldn't block a stunt or a twist, and had Trace eating dirt with a hobbled leg. I understand we won't be a power running team with the zone blocking RPO scheme, but when you look at Bama or Oklahoma who have RPO packages, when they run it they seem to push the defenders back and hold their blocks, and our line can't seem to do it. With 2-3 years experienced 3, 4, and 5 star lineman at every position, are they all duds or is there a basic coaching issue there?

I think we need some position coach changes, and then if next year the offense doesn't improve, Rahne should go back to TE's and we bring in another stud. Give Rahne another year, the position coaches failures for lack of development along the line as well as the receivers dropping every ball makes me feel that Rahne deserves another shot. Those things aren't his fault.

 

[BBrown]

Cfett, what exactly has Sanders done to say he should go pro??? I mean, seriously, he has had some fumbles that have been VERY costly, and while he had a great game against IU, that is not the level he would be playing against in the NFL. At times he hasn't looked decisive to me, and he doesn't like to just turn the ball upfield and get some yards. While I absolutely get that it is hard to get into a rhythm with less than 10 carries in a game, there have been very few runs that have jumped out screaming "go to the NFL", and you can not discount a few very costly fumbles, one of which killed our momentum against OSU.

I don't think the "fumbles" have all been on Sanders. I think Trace has played a very large part in some of them. Specifically the one at the goal line at Iowa, MSU and yesterday.

 

[DonP74]

I don't think the "fumbles" have all been on Sanders. I think Trace has played a very large part in some of them. Specifically the one at the goal line at Iowa, MSU and yesterday.

Agreed. Fumblers didn't play for the great Joe Paterno.

 

[BBrown]

Agreed. Fumblers didn't play for the great Joe Paterno.

Not sure what you're agreeing to.

 

[Samurailion]

Rahne and offensive staff do not game plan at all! Look at other teams around the country. Purdue had a plan of attack for ohio state. They executed and stuck to their plan and won the game! When have we seen a game plan that has been plugged in for a specific game (new formations, plays designed for playmakers, attacking a weakness of the defense) ......NEVER! The staff Franklin is way to inexperienced to get it done. A change is needed now! Anyone that doesnt see that obviously is still in the Paterno state of mind. It needs to happen quickly and we need to find a real identity on offense. Moorehead was great, he created his own style of the spread and has utilized it for years! We need an OC who has been involved with a team who has had a identity for years on offense....oregon, okla st, wvu, hell even memphis, TTU, and TCU have run a spread with great success. I personally think the power run spread at Oregon and TCU would be perfect for us. I also look at up and coming coordinators like Phil Longo at Ole Miss and a long time BIG assistant Kevin Johns who is at TT now and they would be able to develop and maintain an identity as both appear to be career coordinators.

 

[PSUJim]

Rahne and offensive staff do not game plan at all! Look at other teams around the country. Purdue had a plan of attack for ohio state. They executed and stuck to their plan and won the game! When have we seen a game plan that has been plugged in for a specific game (new formations, plays designed for playmakers, attacking a weakness of the defense) ......NEVER! The staff Franklin is way to inexperienced to get it done. A change is needed now! Anyone that doesnt see that obviously is still in the Paterno state of mind. It needs to happen quickly and we need to find a real identity on offense. Moorehead was great, he created his own style of the spread and has utilized it for years! We need an OC who has been involved with a team who has had a identity for years on offense....oregon, okla st, wvu, hell even memphis, TTU, and TCU have run a spread with great success. I personally think the power run spread at Oregon and TCU would be perfect for us. I also look at up and coming coordinators like Phil Longo at Ole Miss and a long time BIG assistant Kevin Johns who is at TT now and they would be able to develop and maintain an identity as both appear to be career coordinators.

Samu, love you man, but did you see Purdue the next week after OSU??? Seriously, we can pick the Illinois game, or Pitt game and say that Rahne was a genius. JoeMo was a breath of fresh air, but to say he didn't have his faults is just ludicrous. They have struggled this year at times at MSU, with probably the most talented team that school ever had, and it usually was against teams with good defenses. To throw TTU, TCU, WVU, and schools like that in is also funny as they tend to play teams that DO NOT HAVE the same type of defenses of MSU or UM. I get that Rahne is not perfect, and I am not saying we shouldn't consider a change, but when you have a QB that is off, receivers that have not been consistent, and an OL that has been fair at best, I really don't care who your OC is you are going to struggle against top tier defenses.