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Youngstown St….er…..West Virginia whooping BYU

WVU is not some top tier team but they are clearly a decent, even above average Power 5 team. There’s a huge gap between actual bad teams and great teams and WVU is a solid team in the middle of those extremes
Lando?
 
They're not decent or an above average P5 team. They're in the weakest P5 conference (or second ACC/Big XII are both trash) and are beating other bad teams. WVU is not in the middle of those as we saw with them losing to Houston. They've done a nice job beating bad teams this year. That doesn't make the decent. Their defense is decent though...at least usually

Look at who BYU has beat this year. Another great example of a team with a winning record but hasn't beat anyone with a pulse. Same as WVU.

And, to clarify, beating WVU did nothing for us--see the fact we're ranked behind Ole Miss. It's not a valuable win.
 
They're not decent or an above average P5 team. They're in the weakest P5 conference (or second ACC/Big XII are both trash) and are beating other bad teams. WVU is not in the middle of those as we saw with them losing to Houston. They've done a nice job beating bad teams this year. That doesn't make the decent. Their defense is decent though...at least usually

Look at who BYU has beat this year. Another great example of a team with a winning record but hasn't beat anyone with a pulse. Same as WVU.

And, to clarify, beating WVU did nothing for us--see the fact we're ranked behind Ole Miss. It's not a valuable win.
Their head coach was projected to be fired, and they were supposed to have trouble winning 3 games……now they’re going bowling. They should have beat Houston, and gave Ok State ( who beat top 10 Oklahoma )a game . West Virginia has overachieved, and developed into a solid team. Not great, but no pushover. If they win 1 or 2 more, they’ll get a pretty nice bowl. —Not bad for a team that was supposed to “circle the drain”
 
Their head coach was projected to be fired, and they were supposed to have trouble winning 3 games……now they’re going bowling. They should have beat Houston, and gave Ok State ( who beat top 10 Oklahoma )a game . West Virginia has overachieved, and developed into a solid team. Not great, but no pushover. If they win 1 or 2 more, they’ll get a pretty nice bowl. —Not bad for a team that was supposed to “circle the drain”

Being bowl eligible isn't impressive. Almost everyone is.
They are not a solid team. Their best win is 5-4 (2-4) BYU at home. Let's call a spade a spade. They're a bad team that has been fortunate to beat a lot of other bad teams in close games (TTU TCU Pitt of the top of my head)
Yes they exceeded expectations and that's great. Brown saving his job likely hurts them long term or at least until next year when things go back to their record accurately reflecting how good or bad they are.
 
Being bowl eligible isn't impressive. Almost everyone is.
They are not a solid team. Their best win is 5-4 (2-4) BYU at home. Let's call a spade a spade. They're a bad team that has been fortunate to beat a lot of other bad teams in close games (TTU TCU Pitt of the top of my head)
Yes they exceeded expectations and that's great. Brown saving his job likely hurts them long term or at least until next year when things go back to their record accurately reflecting how good or bad they are.
Give it up with the WVU being a “bad” team BS. It’s okay to admit you are wrong once in a while. I admit that I was wrong about Levi’s’ pro potential.
 
Give it up with the WVU being a “bad” team BS. It’s okay to admit you are wrong once in a while. I admit that I was wrong about Levi’s’ pro potential.
And I'm wrong about many things too--just not this one
I honestly have no idea how anyone could believe WVU isn't a bad team. Stop looking at the record and actually look at them as whole. Look at everything.
If we played WVU 100 times how many times do you think they win? If it's not at least 10% of the time, which it's not, they're a bad team.
 
And I'm wrong about many things too--just not this one
I honestly have no idea how anyone could believe WVU isn't a bad team. Stop looking at the record and actually look at them as whole. Look at everything.
If we played WVU 100 times how many times do you think they win? If it's not at least 10% of the time, which it's not, they're a bad team.
I am looking at everything—You are not. WVU is a decent team to anyone who has a clue. U Mass is a bad team; not WVU.
 
I am looking at everything—You are not. WVU is a decent team to anyone who has a clue. U Mass is a bad team; not WVU.
No UMass is an FCS level game that shouldn't be scheduled with Delaware
WVU is a bad team. How many teams do you think are actually decent or better? The gap from elite to good is huge. Most teams are bad. Again see Syracuse and Purdue last year.

This argument only exists because you and others are desperate to believe we didn't have a 2 game season and we beat someone with a pulse

Again, if we play them 100 times how many do they win?
 
i don't care if WVU is a bad team or not, but, if you look at PSU's schedules through 2028, WVU is one of the better OOC opponents (if not the best one). This is a major problem with the scheduling thought process at Penn State. It was always a little bit shaky (except in the 1990s), but this is far worse than ever before
 
i don't care if WVU is a bad team or not, but, if you look at PSU's schedules through 2028, WVU is one of the better OOC opponents (if not the best one). This is a major problem with the scheduling thought process at Penn State. It was always a little bit shaky (except in the 1990s), but this is far worse than ever before
Why is this a major problem when we play OSU, Wisconsin, USC, and UCLA? The Big 10 is getting even stronger so no need for difficult OOC games.
 
i don't care if WVU is a bad team or not, but, if you look at PSU's schedules through 2028, WVU is one of the better OOC opponents (if not the best one). This is a major problem with the scheduling thought process at Penn State. It was always a little bit shaky (except in the 1990s), but this is far worse than ever before
They play Ohio state, Washington, USC and UCLA next year along with West Virginia and Wisconsin on the road. That’s enough tough games.
 
Why is this a major problem when we play OSU, Wisconsin, USC, and UCLA? The Big 10 is getting even stronger so no need for difficult OOC games.
I disagree. when the playoff goes to 12 there is going to be more importance on SOS especially among teams fighting for the last spots. there will be a lot of teams with the same record trying to get those last spots. Do you think having wins over Marshall and Buffalo will move the needle at all for psu?
 
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Why is this a major problem when we play OSU, Wisconsin, USC, and UCLA? The Big 10 is getting even stronger so no need for difficult OOC games.
that sounds like trading Michigan for USC and basically having the same schedule difficultly that we have now. I think we also have Washington so there is one more big game than today. but this also holds for every other B1G program and not all the others are making joke OOC schedules (some are, some aren't)
 
They play Ohio state, Washington, USC and UCLA next year along with West Virginia and Wisconsin on the road. That’s enough tough games.
Still need to upgrade West Virginia
See Michigan playing Texas
USC plays LSU and ND
We have to do better with one game because as the playoff expands non-conference games are going to be huge.
 
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I disagree. when the playoff goes to 12 there is going to be more importance on SOS especially among teams fighting for the last spots. there will be a lot of teams with the same record trying to get those last spots. Do you think having wins over Marshall and Buffalo will move the needle at all for psu?
The Big will be the best conference in football….if you’re 10-2 in the best conference, you will get in over a 10-2 team from a weaker conference. It’s really that simple. So having wins over Marshall and Buffalo may not move the needle, but having wins over USC and UCLA will. It’s not like all the other teams in the country are playing Bama, Georgia and Oklahoma in their OOC schedule either.
 
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They play Ohio state, Washington, USC and UCLA next year along with West Virginia and Wisconsin on the road. That’s enough tough games.
2024 isn’t the problem. But the schedules after that are; especially if the CFP actually provides some scrutiny for the strength of schedule- and will likely focus on the part “that teams control” which is non- conference. We really need to buy out Temple and schedule a P5 opponent in 2025/26.

I do think there’s going to be real concerns for anyone who doesn’t play another Power 5 team non conference with the expanded playoff. Also however I’m very curious if the playoff committee with start actually looking at the total number of P5 games played which will favor the Big Ten and Big 12 compared the the SEC/ACC who only play 8 conference games. Especially the SEC who largely all play three cupcakes non conference
 
The Big will be the best conference in football….if you’re 10-2 in the best conference, you will get in over a 10-2 team from a weaker conference. It’s really that simple. So having wins over Marshall and Buffalo may not move the needle, but having wins over USC and UCLA will. It’s not like all the other teams in the country are playing Bama, Georgia and Oklahoma in their OOC schedule either.
why are you assuming that UCLA is going to be some big deal in football? they aren't going to be

also you are assuming we go 10-2. 9-3 is where there is going to be a huge cluster of teams and sos will matter
 
2024 isn’t the problem. But the schedules after that are; especially if the CFP actually provides some scrutiny for the strength of schedule- and will likely focus on the part “that teams control” which is non- conference. We really need to buy out Temple and schedule a P5 opponent in 2025/26
Apparently a P5 isn’t good enough for some on here….they’ve been bashing PSU for playing Auburn and WVU because those teams aren’t good enough. Apparently only Bama or Georgia are good enough. I mean we already played two of the four playoff teams last year, let’s add one or two more (since nobody else did it).
 
i don't care if WVU is a bad team or not, but, if you look at PSU's schedules through 2028, WVU is one of the better OOC opponents (if not the best one). This is a major problem with the scheduling thought process at Penn State. It was always a little bit shaky (except in the 1990s), but this is far worse than ever before
These OOC games are scheduled years in advance. And these weak teams were added when we still rebuilding from sanctions. Few expected us to rebound so quickly.
 
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They’re going to be a solid P5 team. Which teams are actually good enough for PSU to schedule?
there are going to be plenty of years when they win 6 or fewer games, which has always been the case for them. they will occasionally be top 25 and occasionally be 3-9
 
Apparently a P5 isn’t good enough for some on here….they’ve been bashing PSU for playing Auburn and WVU because those teams aren’t good enough. Apparently only Bama or Georgia are good enough. I mean we already played two of the four playoff teams last year, let’s add one or two more (since nobody else did it).
P5 isn't good enough. Syracuse, BC, WVU, etc add nothing
Auburn was a great decision--it just didn't plan out because of Harsin but no criticism for scheduling that.
FSU, Clemson, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, Ole Miss, Georgia, Miami, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, A&M, TCU, Texas, Oklahoma, hell even UNC or Louisville is trying. What we're doing is not.
 
These OOC games are scheduled years in advance. And these weak teams were added when we still rebuilding from sanctions. Few expected us to rebound so quickly.
There's no sane individual that thought sanctions would still be impacting us--they haven't impacted us for years.
 
These OOC games are scheduled years in advance. And these weak teams were added when we still rebuilding from sanctions. Few expected us to rebound so quickly.
but we were able to schedule Auburn in 2021 and 2022. that didn't seem to be a problem. what is the issue with continuing to find opponents like that? look at the ooc schedules in 2024 and beyond, they are a joke
 
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They’re going to be a solid P5 team. Which teams are actually good enough for PSU to schedule?
UCLA is kind of mid to higher tier for a conference opponent (I would group them with MSU) but they do help upgrade our schedule. In general our schedule in 2024 looks pretty tough due to more mid tier Big Ten opponents and fewer lesser ones plus the extra “long” games (USC/tOSU/Washington vs just UM/tOSU)

However other years, our conference schedule does not look as strong
 
When were these scheduled? In 2015 people said it take years to get close to where we were, maybe over a decade, maybe ever. And SMU was given as an example.
pretty sure Auburn was scheduled while O'Brien was at PSU, which was shortly after sanctions were imposed and shortly after Auburn won a national championship.
 
When were these scheduled? In 2015 people said it take years to get close to where we were, maybe over a decade, maybe ever. And SMU was given as an example.
Who are those people? Our sanctions weren't a tenth of what SMU got. Honestly, I believe people wanted that so we could complain about it forever. There's zero excuse for our upcoming non conference slate. Zero--just like there's no excuse for what Michigan had this year.
 
UCLA is kind of mid to higher tier for a conference opponent (I would group them with MSU) but they do help upgrade our schedule. In general our schedule in 2024 looks pretty tough due to more mid tier Big Ten opponents and fewer lesser ones plus the extra “long” games (USC/tOSU/Washington vs just UM/tOSU)

However other years, our conference schedule does not look as strong
So we schedule a couple tough teams years from now…say Oklahoma and Kentucky…then we find out our in conference games that year include OSU, Michigan, Washington, and USC…yeah, that would be fun.
 
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P5 isn't good enough. Syracuse, BC, WVU, etc add nothing
Auburn was a great decision--it just didn't plan out because of Harsin but no criticism for scheduling that.
FSU, Clemson, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, Ole Miss, Georgia, Miami, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, A&M, TCU, Texas, Oklahoma, hell even UNC or Louisville is trying. What we're doing is not.

even in the last 10 years of Paterno, when our schedules started getting pretty soft, we still had ooc games against Miami, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Alabama.

now, it's just a bunch of tomato cans
 
So we schedule a couple tough teams years from now…say Oklahoma and Kentucky…then we find out our in conference games that year include OSU, Michigan, Washington, and USC…yeah, that would be fun.
Personally I don’t care so much about scheduling “elite” teams given the depth of the Big Ten now but we should have at least one team “with a pulse” (ie an least an average P5 team) each year. WVU is fine, Syracuse a little borderline but okay. But we absolutely need someone in 2025/26 and then after Syracuse.
 
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