157 seeding @ NCAAs
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Here I thought it was tax season and you accountant types were working at this time of year? Glad you have your priorities straight!!
Even if he had wrestled in Consi Bracket, highest he could have finished would have been 3rd which almost certainly puts him at #4 Seed given 1-loss and #3 at Conference Tourney since Gantt is undefeated and a Conference Champ, I-Mar has 1 loss and Conference Champ and J-No has 1 loss and Conference #2 (especially true given that I-Mar and J-No are 1-1 versus each other and have far stronger overall resumes than either Gantt or Miller).
NP Roar we are on the same team. You give us a lot of great info. I know I for one don't thank you enough.
I can't imagine Ian Miller not getting seeded. To randomly draw him into a first round match as an unseeded wrestler would be beyond dumb. Two-time All-American with his only loss this year being an injury default.
Miller needed a wild card to get into the tournament because of his injury default. My understanding is the seeding criteria prevent wild cards from being seeded.
I don't disagree that that's beyond dumb and criminally unfair to anyone who draws Miller in an early round.
Josh Kindig was a returning NCAA runnerup last year. He finished fourth at Big 12s and needed a wild card to get into the tourney. He ended up unseeded.
Kindig had wrestled 18 matches heading into the tournament last year. Miller has wrestled 20.
I believe it was a committee suggestion. No way they make the same errors as last year, well no excuses to make the same mistakes anyway.
Kindig also lost more than once.
If Miller gets unseeded with a 20-1 record, with the 1 being an injury default, the NCAA Wrestling committee should take a hard look at the rules in the offseason.
I think it would be good to get IMAR in the semis when he has to hold his weight for the next day !
Hard to say. It's the committee own recommendation that they give seeding criteria only to wrestlers who have earned the spots with placement at the conference tournament. However, it is a recommendation only and not a rule. Hopefully, they left this distinction precisely because of situations like Miller's - injury default.
I think he's going to get burned by it a bit and not end up in the top 4, but not too much as the injury is not one that will hamper him at NCAAs.
Because of the tweaks to the criteria, I don't think we are going to see Gantt at #1. My guess:
1. Martinez
2. Gantt
3. Nolf
Not sure how the rest will play out.
I think he's going to get burned by it a bit and not end up in the top 4, but not too much as the injury is not one that will hamper him at NCAAs.
Because of the tweaks to the criteria, I don't think we are going to see Gantt at #1. My guess:
1. Martinez
2. Gantt
3. Nolf
Not sure how the rest will play out.
Seedings are approximate rankings based on known past performance. Obviously they're never perfect and there'll always be upsets. If they were perfect, we could just work out the seeds, award the trophies, then let everybody go do something else on tournament weekend. But that probably wouldn't be a whole lot of fun.
My point is that, in arriving at individual seeds, great performance versus the toughest competition should be rewarded over great performance versus something less-than-the-toughest. And this year Nolf's overall-dominant performances in the toughest wrestling conference in the country deserve the nod.
I agree with you on how things should be.
I'm just not convinced that this is how things will be. Historically things have not been the way we think they should be. And we don't have any hard evidence yet to confirm that the changes will do what we speculate they might.
According to some if you need a wild card to get in you cannot get seeded. So Stoll can't get seeded either.
I believe the same happen to Schlatter from Mn his senior year got hurt at big tens had md and had to md at nationals in his first match don't remember who he wrestled. he needed wild card to get in and not seeded.
I believe the same happen to Schlatter from Mn his senior year got hurt at big tens had md and had to md at nationals in his first match don't remember who he wrestled. he needed wild card to get in and not seeded.
Let's remember a few years ago. Retherford beat Steiber in the dual meet. Steiber beat Retherford in the B1G finals. Port was undefeated in a weaker conference. Trick question, who was the #1 seed at nationals?
With that said, this is Imar/Nolf, and this is the biggest thing since you-know-what, 3 years ago.
They'll not only be seeded in different brackets, but the finals will start at 165, with Dieringer beating whoever, so that you-know-what ends the show at 157.
I'll lay money down on it right now with anyone.
They'll not only be seeded in different brackets, but the finals will start at 165, with Dieringer beating whoever, so that you-know-what ends the show at 157.
I'll lay money down on it right now with anyone.
I'm not convinced IMar makes the finals after watching his quarter and semi matches last weekend. Too tough of a weight cut me thinks.
Well theoretically his risk at nationals to the semis are roughly twice as high relative to B1G's, no?
Keep your eyes on Friday night: He can't fatten up before the match because he needs to make weight on Saturday morning. Depends on who he has, no guarantee Miller gets the 4 seed, ordinarily I'd agree with you, but he might get somebody who he can score on and then hang on.
Everyone keeps trotting out the Mitchell Port precedent and ignoring this fact. Gantt is not going to be number one in the coaches poll. That will make a big difference in the seeding.
Good.
Let's get him on Friday night when he has to make weigh ins on Saturday. Even better.
If you think Perry was full of bullshit last week, wait until Friday night if he has to see Jason again. He'll be running around with red flags contesting imaginary gremlins on the mat.
I would take some of that action. In a year when a 19-year-old world champ could face off against a guy going for his third title, I don't think IMar/Nolf v.3 is going to be the marquis matchup.
Gantt is not regarded in the same level as Port was. Port was regarded as a clear, and definite 1A to Steibers 1.
Nobody in their right mind has Gantt at the same level as Nolf/Imar.
Schlatter was seeded all 4 years. 2010 was the injury year -- he was 6th seed at nationals at 157.
Also, slightly off -- he didn't get hurt at B10s, he got hurt in practice that week and MFF out of B10s without wrestling a match. The NCAA changed the rule that year so that wrestlers had to actually compete in their conference qualifying tourney.
Personally, what I said about Miller applies to Stoll: if the rules state that he can't get a seed, and a good seed at that, then those rules need to be changed. He earned it.
As when any tournaments are seeded, there has to be some degree of common sense allowed in the seeding process. Body of work is important. As I've mentioned before, throwing Ian Miller into a random draw would be a such a ridiculous decision both for him and his competitors. It just wouldn't make sense.
You wouldn't be referring to the Sasso/Pletcher quarterfinal, would you
? That is beyond belief that one of them will be in the wrestle-backs after the quarterfinal round.
Among many, many, many others. This year's brackets are a disgrace even by PIAA standards.You wouldn't be referring to the Sasso/Pletcher quarterfinal, would you
Not sure if in the past I have bought into the idea of seeding the PIAA
Heck, I am not sure I buy into just yet.
What I am sure of is this. To seed the state wrestling championships it would require some serious effort and time. The PIAA wrestling championships exist to generate profit for the PIAA and Hershey Corp. They exist for the social pleasure of the PIAA officers and executives. The last thing you are going to see is anything that would require additional effort or time.
