Jefe, I agree I am not that worried about his height, for 97. He just needs to have the strength to handle 97 and early reports on Cutch look promising, in that regard.Funny, I don't remember Morgan McIntosh towering over the field either.
Jefe, I agree I am not that worried about his height, for 97. He just needs to have the strength to handle 97 and early reports on Cutch look promising, in that regard.Funny, I don't remember Morgan McIntosh towering over the field either.
What percentage of body fat was Cutch when he certified? If he certified at 174 in a hydrated state his body fat had to be 5.00%, for him not to be able to wrestle at 173.99 right?Why not? The NCAA rule is that you can't be under 5% body fat -- hence the minimum weight. If that happens to equal a weight class, so be it.
Anyone feel like elaborating ??
I see two of you guys dropping subtle hints.
Don't take these to the bank but after seeing both up close at the kickoff event, I would put Mouse at a generous 5'8" and Morgan around 5'10". Does that sound about right, fellas?Isn't Cutch 5'10" the same height or at least very close to the height of Kyle Snyder?
Back in the day I was 6 foot, not 60 yet and already shrinking. Probably about 5'11" and Matt is noticeably shorter than me. So is Morgan.Isn't Cutch 5'10" the same height or at least very close to the height of Kyle Snyder?
You know I'm always around, ready to strikeThe guys from Flo mentioned that PSU is still in the running for Fix, in spite of the RBY signing. They also mentioned that they still viewed the Cowpokes as the favorites to land him.
Our friends from OSU must be slightly nervous waiting for the decision. I recall our favorite Okie, Mike T., joking that Daton was keeping Cael in suspense so we didn't get anyone else while we waited. At least I think he was joking. Guess that theory went by the wayside when RBY signed.
That's not how certification works. It's about calculating your minimum allowable weight.What percentage of body fat was Cutch when he certified? If he certified at 174 in a hydrated state his body fat had to be 5.00%, for him not to be able to wrestle at 173.99 right?
I just went through the other thread that went through this so I have a question. We know Cutch certified at 174, so he had to weigh 174.0 or less. How, mathematically, could a person in a fully hydrated state be 174.0 with 20% body fat and then have the calculation at the same hydration level at 5% body fat be equal the same 174.0? This is why I believe that Cutch had to be near 5% body fat for this to be true. Do we know his actual weight at the weigh in?That's not how certification works. It's about calculating your minimum allowable weight.
You get weighed in a fully hydrated state, and give a urine sample to confirm hydration level. You get weighed and body fat measured. Then your weight at 5% fat is calculated mathematically from your current state.
Current body composition is part of the equation, but otherwise irrelevant. It doesn't matter if (to make up numbers) he was at 174/5% or at 200/20% on certification day.
Again, this is not how certification works.I just went through the other thread that went through this so I have a question. We know Cutch certified at 174, so he had to weigh 174.0 or less. How, mathematically, could a person in a fully hydrated state be 174.0 with 20% body fat and then have the calculation at the same hydration level at 5% body fat be equal the same 174.0? This is why I believe that Cutch had to be near 5% body fat for this to be true. Do we know his actual weight at the weigh in?
Lemme make sure I got this right.I disagree with that. I saw the wrestleoff in person. Myself along with a couple other gentlemen were in Lorenzo and were pleased to see that they had an open practice and we were able to watch. Gulibon was the only other one to wrestle off yesterday. He won his match. If Cutch gets down to 174, i do not see Rasheed or anyone else at that weight in the room beating him. He looked like a completely different wrestler yesterday. I don't believe Cael will not have Cutch in the lineup somewhere even if it meant moving Bo to 197 for the team title race. My guess is that if he loses the next wrestle off, we will see him at 174 by the Penn Open.
Don't take these to the bank but after seeing both up close at the kickoff event, I would put Mouse at a generous 5'8" and ly aMorgan around 5'10". Does that sound about right, fellas?
The guys at flo made those comments before the lower weight from Florida commited. PSU may not have a scholly limit but there is a cap on flowing golden locks.The guys from Flo mentioned that PSU is still in the running for Fix, in spite of the RBY signing. They also mentioned that they still viewed the Cowpokes as the favorites to land him.
Our friends from OSU must be slightly nervous waiting for the decision. I recall our favorite Okie, Mike T., joking that Daton was keeping Cael in suspense so we didn't get anyone else while we waited. At least I think he was joking. Guess that theory went by the wayside when RBY signed.
I appreciate the responses. I guess I misunderstood the certification process. I thought there were 2 calculations. First after passing the hydration steps was that your "actual" weight had to be at or below the weight classification.Again, this is not how certification works.
You weigh whatever you weigh on certification day. Your body fat is whatever it is on that day. Then your certification weight is calculated.
For his minimum weight to be 174 lb, he had to have lean mass = (174.0 x 95%) = 165.3 lb.
He could've had any weight/fat composition that day, as long as his lean mass was 165.3 lb. A few possibilities:
- 183.7 lb / 10%
- 194.5 lb / 15%
- 206.6 lb / 20%
Getting warmer. There's only 1 calculation, The "first" calculation posited above does not exist. The only calculation is to determine your BW @ 5% fat.I appreciate the responses. I guess I misunderstood the certification process. I thought there were 2 calculations. First after passing the hydration steps was that your "actual" weight had to be at or below the weight classification.
The second calculation would be the Minimum safe weight, based on the weight % body fat calculation.
So, by my understanding if Cutch weight 174.0 or 168 he would certify at 174. And then a totally separate calculation to determine the minimum safe weight would be based on body fat calculation based on the weight at the time of certification?
He will be too weak..Has trouble making 84....I disagree with that. I saw the wrestleoff in person. Myself along with a couple other gentlemen were in Lorenzo and were pleased to see that they had an open practice and we were able to watch. Gulibon was the only other one to wrestle off yesterday. He won his match. If Cutch gets down to 174, i do not see Rasheed or anyone else at that weight in the room beating him. He looked like a completely different wrestler yesterday. I don't believe Cael will not have Cutch in the lineup somewhere even if it meant moving Bo to 197 for the team title race. My guess is that if he loses the next wrestle off, we will see him at 174 by the Penn Open.
Bet Mark Hall knows where fix is going....He will be too weak..Has trouble making 84....
Don't take these to the bank but after seeing both up close at the kickoff event, I would put Mouse at a generous 5'8" and Morgan around 5'10". Does that sound about right, fellas?
Yeah, I would guess that McCutcheon is closer to 5'8" than 5'10".
Also, I have now seen references to both Kyle Snyder and Morgan Macintosh regarding shorter guys who were very good wrestlers at 197. I get the point, but at the same time find those two references somewhat amusing, as related to projecting 'Cutch's success at 197.
You have it backwards and have setup the classic straw man argument. No one said Cutch would be successful because of his height, but many have said he won't be successful because of his height and those two examples AND many more prove that a wrestlers height is not nearly as important as many on these boards like to think it is.
I think Bruce's point is that people are using two exceptional athletes - Morgan and Snyder were both the top recruits in the country their senior year - to prove that it can be done. There are exceptions to most every rule. To put Cutch in a class with MM and Snyder is reaching - not to be disrespectful to Cutch.
Once again you missed the point.
FIFY.I don't think so. I think the point that some are trying to make is that you are not going to be successful at 5'8" at 197unless you are an exceptional athlete. Not that I agree with it - just think that is their point.
FIFY.
Isn't Fix at Ohio State this weekend?The guys from Flo mentioned that PSU is still in the running for Fix, in spite of the RBY signing. They also mentioned that they still viewed the Cowpokes as the favorites to land him.
Our friends from OSU must be slightly nervous waiting for the decision. I recall our favorite Okie, Mike T., joking that Daton was keeping Cael in suspense so we didn't get anyone else while we waited. At least I think he was joking. Guess that theory went by the wayside when RBY signed.
So OSU and PSU fans can't be to confident just yet. Ohio State needs a light weight bad.
Then they can have a bad lightweight!So OSU and PSU fans can't be to confident just yet. Ohio State needs a light weight bad.
Bo better darn well be beating him worse then that if he wants to be National Champ....I heard Bo was not even series till the 3rd period....My buddy goes to practice a lot....When is media day ?
OSU doesn't seem like they need to be that worriedSo OSU and PSU fans can't be to confident just yet. Ohio State needs a light weight bad.
Just my guess, but I believe the chances Hall doesn't red-shirt this year is about as close to zero as it can be without being absolute.I don't think you can make any conclusions about Bo based on his wrestle off with Cutch being close. These guys wrestle each other every day - so easy to keep it close when you know someone as well as these guys know each other - I think especially so at the heavier weights.
I'm interested in knowing how Hall vs Rasheed looks in the room - anyone know? Two reasons I ask
1) if there's huge Hall advantage AND Cutch can't make 174 - then I have to believe the chances of Hall going this year increase. thoughts?
2) curious to see how Hall handles Rasheed's length - if Hall stays at 174 in college he's going to run into alot of long/lanky/funky guys. Both BJordan and Valencia will have length advantage.
No idea but all three will likely wrestle the Keystone Classic just three weeks from today. We can enter up to 20 wrestlers but no red shirts.Anybody have an idea when the next wrestle offs will be? Including Morelli/Rasheed/Brill if they haven't already?
The guys at flo made those comments before the lower weight fromFloridacommited. PSU may not have a scholly limit but there is a cap on flowing golden locks.