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184 Wrestle Off

I'm trying to think of a match where it looked like Cutch was struggling with the length of an opponent. I'm not coming up with one. To me, it seems length is not a problem for some people, and Cutch might be one of them.

Hard to say. I thought of the same thing. At first I thought Sleigh, but that loss had a lot to do with Mouse wrestling hurt. Then I thought Boyd, but realized that Mouse actually took Boyd down, then got hurt right after that and defaulted. Probably have to go back further.
 
Hard to say. I thought of the same thing. At first I thought Sleigh, but that loss had a lot to do with Mouse wrestling hurt. Then I thought Boyd, but realized that Mouse actually took Boyd down, then got hurt right after that and defaulted. Probably have to go back further.

Cael is reasonably tall and just about the same weight too. Bet you Cutch has plenty of trouble with him! :cool:
 
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I appreciate the responses. I guess I misunderstood the certification process. I thought there were 2 calculations. First after passing the hydration steps was that your "actual" weight had to be at or below the weight classification.
The second calculation would be the Minimum safe weight, based on the weight % body fat calculation.
So, by my understanding if Cutch weight 174.0 or 168 he would certify at the 174 weight class. And then a totally separate calculation to determine the minimum safe weight would be based on body fat calculation based on the weight at the time of certification?

Getting warmer. There's only 1 calculation, The "first" calculation posited above does not exist. The only calculation is to determine your BW @ 5% fat.

You can weigh anything on certification day. Do not have to be at or even near the weight classification where you're certified.
Maybe this will help. It's the 2 examples given in the rulebook. Much more to it, but I believe this will help...

No. 1. Student-athlete A has a urine specific gravity of 1.025 on September 6. The student-athlete is
instructed to return in 24 hours to be retested. Twenty-four hours later, the urine specific
gravity is 1.011. The student-athlete is allowed to weigh-in and weighs 168 pounds. The
skin-folds are measured and when calculated, give a body fat percentage of 12 percent. The fat
weight of 20 pounds is calculated by multiplying 168 pounds by 12 percent. The fat-free weight
of 148 pounds is calculated by subtracting 20 pounds from 168 pounds. The fat-free weight of
148 pounds and divided by 0.95 equals 156 pounds. This is the lowest allowable weight-ONE

[LAW1] calculated with five percent body fat.
The minimum wrestling weight must take into account both LAW1 and LAW2. Therefore, the
higher of LAW1 and LAW2 will be the minimum wrestling weight [MWW] for the season.
MWW=156.

1. Specific Gravity = 1.025
 Specific Gravity = 1.011 (24-hours later.)

2. BW = 168 lb.

3. BF = 12%

4. FW = 168 lb. x 0.12 = 20 lb.

5. FFW = 168 lb. – 20 lb. = 148

6. LAW1 = 148 lb. / 0.95 = 156 lb.

7. # of weeks = 15 weeks.

8. LAW2= 168– (1.5% x 15 wks x 168) = 130.2 lb.


9. LAW1= 156 lb.>LAW2=130.2 lb.

Therefore, LAW1=MWW=156 lb.

No. 2.
Our next example is student-athlete B. On October 25, the urine specific gravity is
1.016, hydrated body weight is 225 pounds and the percentage of body fat is 18 percent. This
gives the wrestler a fat weight of 40.5 pounds (225 X 0.18) and a fat-free weight of 184.5 pounds (225 - 40.5). The LAW1 with five percent body fat is 194 pounds (184.5/0.95). The LAW2 is 198 pounds calculated by losing a maximum of 1.5 percent of original body weight per week
[225 – (0.15 X 8) (225)]. Since the LAW2 is greater than the LAW1, the LAW2 of 198 pounds
becomes the MWW. Although close, the wrestler could not compete in the 197-pound weight
class but must compete at HWT (285).

If desired, the student-athlete could retest using the gold standards of refractometer and underwater weighing with a direct measure of residual volume. The bod pod is another viable option for retesting. The MWW achieved with these measurements would form the basis for the certified weight class.

1. Specific Gravity = 1.016

2. BW = 225 lb.

3. BF = 18%

4. FW = 225 lb. x 0.18 = 40.5 lb.

5. FFW = 225 lb. – 40.5 lb. = 184.5 lb.

6. LAW1 = 184.5 lb. / 0.95 = 194 lb.

7. # OF WEEKS = 8 WEEKS

8. LAW2 = 225-(1.5% X 8)(225)=198 lb.

9. LAW2> LAW1; therefore, LAW2 becomes MWW of 198 lb.

Weight Class = 285 HWT
 
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Maybe this will help. It's the 2 examples given in the rulebook. Much more to it, but I believe this will help...
Very helpful, Roar!

So, in layman's terms, it seems that the lowest allowable weight is what you would weigh (LAW2) if you lose 1.5 percent of your original body weight per week, except that you cannot go below the calculated lean weight (i.e., what you would weigh if you instantly at original weighing changed only your fat content to have 5% body fat) (LAW1).

[BTW, example 2 has, as of now, a "0.15" that should be 0.015, I think.]
 
1) within the rules, Cutch can safely get to 174.
2) Cutch has clearly put in a ton of work retooling his fitness level vs last year.
3) 1 & 2 are really good things and Cutch has sold out to win a spot.

No worries.:)
 
Maybe this will help. It's the 2 examples given in the rulebook. Much more to it, but I believe this will help...

No. 1. Student-athlete A has a urine specific gravity of 1.025 on September 6. The student-athlete is
instructed to return in 24 hours to be retested. Twenty-four hours later, the urine specific
gravity is 1.011. The student-athlete is allowed to weigh-in and weighs 168 pounds. The
skin-folds are measured and when calculated, give a body fat percentage of 12 percent. The fat
weight of 20 pounds is calculated by multiplying 168 pounds by 12 percent. The fat-free weight
of 148 pounds is calculated by subtracting 20 pounds from 168 pounds. The fat-free weight of
148 pounds and divided by 0.95 equals 156 pounds. This is the lowest allowable weight-ONE

[LAW1] calculated with five percent body fat.
The minimum wrestling weight must take into account both LAW1 and LAW2. Therefore, the
higher of LAW1 and LAW2 will be the minimum wrestling weight [MWW] for the season.
MWW=156.

1. Specific Gravity = 1.025
 Specific Gravity = 1.011 (24-hours later.)

2. BW = 168 lb.

3. BF = 12%

4. FW = 168 lb. x 0.12 = 20 lb.

5. FFW = 168 lb. – 20 lb. = 148

6. LAW1 = 148 lb. / 0.95 = 156 lb.

7. # of weeks = 15 weeks.

8. LAW2= 168– (1.5% x 15 wks x 168) = 130.2 lb.


9. LAW1= 156 lb.>LAW2=130.2 lb.

Therefore, LAW1=MWW=156 lb.

No. 2.
Our next example is student-athlete B. On October 25, the urine specific gravity is
1.016, hydrated body weight is 225 pounds and the percentage of body fat is 18 percent. This
gives the wrestler a fat weight of 40.5 pounds (225 X 0.18) and a fat-free weight of 184.5 pounds (225 - 40.5). The LAW1 with five percent body fat is 194 pounds (184.5/0.95). The LAW2 is 198 pounds calculated by losing a maximum of 1.5 percent of original body weight per week
[225 – (0.15 X 8) (225)]. Since the LAW2 is greater than the LAW1, the LAW2 of 198 pounds
becomes the MWW. Although close, the wrestler could not compete in the 197-pound weight
class but must compete at HWT (285).

If desired, the student-athlete could retest using the gold standards of refractometer and underwater weighing with a direct measure of residual volume. The bod pod is another viable option for retesting. The MWW achieved with these measurements would form the basis for the certified weight class.

1. Specific Gravity = 1.016

2. BW = 225 lb.

3. BF = 18%

4. FW = 225 lb. x 0.18 = 40.5 lb.

5. FFW = 225 lb. – 40.5 lb. = 184.5 lb.

6. LAW1 = 184.5 lb. / 0.95 = 194 lb.

7. # OF WEEKS = 8 WEEKS

8. LAW2 = 225-(1.5% X 8)(225)=198 lb.

9. LAW2> LAW1; therefore, LAW2 becomes MWW of 198 lb.

Weight Class = 285 HWT
Thanks for posting. I got it. So here is a potential Cutch scenario(ignore significant digits 3+)

BW = 184
BF = 10.16%
FW = 18.6944
FFW =165.3056
LAW1=174.0058947
WKS =4
LAW2=172.96

So in week 4 of the descent Cutch could wrestle at 174 as a long as he doesn't go below LAW1 (174.00)? If True Cutch could start wrestling 174 in December if he goes 174.
 
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How does a person go about weighing in at *exactly* 174.0? Does a person place the scale next to the urinal and then stand on it and pee and then stop peeing exactly when 174.0 is reached? The first question is serious. I really do not know any way to weigh in reliably at an *exact* weight.
I have no idea which is why I had questions on the minimum safe weight of 174.0. That would be playing with fire, IMO.
 
Thanks Joe.
At our war room meeting with the coaches at OSU, I asked if you certified only at184, can you go down to 174 later in the season? Answer "NO". Glad I carried a eraser with me at PSU certify weight ins. Bo was the only one that did it in pencil.
 
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At our war room meeting with the coaches at OSU, I asked if you certified only at184, can you go down to 174 later in the season? Answer "NO". Glad I carried a eraser with me at PSU certify weight ins. Bo was the only one that did it in pencil.
Then you asked the wrong question.
 
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