Count me as someone who wants to see Lizak choose top on NATO. Is Lizak staying at 125?
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IDK, but I'd be moderately surprised if he did. He seemed big for the class last year, and stamina issues were well noted. Might depend on where McKee goes?
This. Guns argument was that the shirt needed to be pulled for team title aspirations. Turned out it didn't - even with Suriano's injury, which wasn't on the radar at that time.
Arguments against, well at least my argument against, was that we didn't need the points and the RS decision shouldn't be made with the team as the primary focus. It can be an input, but you have to look at where the athlete is, now and what you are sacrificing for him in the future.
After the season, we got some insight from Hall himself. HE was the driving force behind the decision, he really wanted it pulled but just had to get his parents on board. The coaching staff felt he was ready, and he was.
Ended up pretty good. He won a NC and got us points that we didn't need to win a team title.
As much crap as Ryan gets on here, I still find it hard to believe that he will be forcing NATO to go anywhere for a better chance at a team title.
IMO, NATO will go wherever he feels he has the best shot to win another title and it dovetails into his freestyle future. There's room for him to do that without screwing a teammate over also. If he thinks he needs to reshape his body (cut some weight) for an international weight, he'll probably be at 125. If not, you would think he's 133 no matter what that means to the team.
IMO, NATO will go wherever he feels he has the best shot to win another title and it dovetails into his freestyle future. There's room for him to do that without screwing a teammate over also. If he thinks he needs to reshape his body (cut some weight) for an international weight, he'll probably be at 125. If not, you would think he's 133 no matter what that means to the team.
I don't know, but if Suriano is sitting this year, he would be my bet on the person with the best chances against NATO at 125. I will be rooting for a 'Poke!
I think he's a tough out even for Suriano if he goes 125. Ryan has already set a standard for his superstars to participate in duals at their convenience (granted, for mostly good reasons), so I don't see why NaTo wouldn't get the same treatment. I'd be pretty surprised if he wrestles the full calendar at 125, but also surprised if he doesn't go 125 in March because that's key to beating out Penn State in Cleveland.
Most likely Fix shirts this year with Heil a SR. Looking ahead, best guess:
2017: 125 Piccinnini, 133 Brock, 141 Heil.
2018: 125/133 Fix and Pitch in whichever order, 141 Brock.
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133 - Clears out some from last year (3 of 8 graduate, and Tomasello goes 125, maybe?), Pletcher (if he's @ 133) and Keener both could place, albeit 7th/8th, imo.
141 - Wouldn't surprise if neither team (PSU or tOSU) has an AA. Back are Heil, Jack, Meredith, Eierman, Ashnault, Kolodzik, and Thorn (all AA's), and they're joined by Storr (ISU), Red (Neb), and Lewallen (OSU).
149 - What's McKenna going to do? Key component in this entire discussion.
157 - Jordan @ 5 looks reasonable, Nolf, LaVallee, Kemerer, and Smith in front, Berger, Tsirtsis, Lewis, and Fox chomping at his heels.
165 - Joseph @ 4 a little pessimistic. Doubt Campbell AA's...Joseph, Martinez, Massa, Rogers, Walsh, and Womack (all AA's) are back, joined by A. Valencia (?? unless he goes 174), Steiert, Matthews, Marinelli, and McFadden.
184 - This will be a tough weight class, especially if Z. Valencia goes here. 5 AA's depart, but Zavatsky returns, and Abounader comes off RS. I like Bo. Martin a toss-up between 3rd and 5th, imo. 4th is fair, though I'd go 3rd.
197 - 4 AA's graduated. Looks like Moore's to lose. Big question here...where does McCutcheon/Cassar fit? I REALLY like Matt, in his SR Season. Healthy, he can go 4th to 8th, imo. Moore, Haught, Renda, Miklus, Weigel, Smith, Rotert, Conel all here, though I like Matt against all but a couple of those guys.
285 - Coon, Stoll, and Dhesi added to the list of 4 returning AA's, of which Nick was one. Snyder a lock, and I personally think Coon is also at a higher level. Nick from 3rd to 7th, 5th is fair.
Thoughts...I threw this together pretty quickly but figured it'd spur some good discussion and get at least a few people foaming at the mouth from which they breathe.
133 - Clears out some from last year (3 of 8 graduate, and Tomasello goes 125, maybe?), Pletcher (if he's @ 133) and Keener both could place, albeit 7th/8th, imo.
141 - Wouldn't surprise if neither team (PSU or tOSU) has an AA. Back are Heil, Jack, Meredith, Eierman, Ashnault, Kolodzik, and Thorn (all AA's), and they're joined by Storr (ISU), Red (Neb), and Lewallen (OSU).
149 - What's McKenna going to do? Key component in this entire discussion.
157 - Jordan @ 5 looks reasonable, Nolf, LaVallee, Kemerer, and Smith in front, Berger, Tsirtsis, Lewis, and Fox chomping at his heels.
165 - Joseph @ 4 a little pessimistic. Doubt Campbell AA's...Joseph, Martinez, Massa, Rogers, Walsh, and Womack (all AA's) are back, joined by A. Valencia (?? unless he goes 174), Steiert, Matthews, Marinelli, and McFadden.
184 - This will be a tough weight class, especially if Z. Valencia goes here. 5 AA's depart, but Zavatsky returns, and Abounader comes off RS. I like Bo. Martin a toss-up between 3rd and 5th, imo. 4th is fair, though I'd go 3rd.
197 - 4 AA's graduated. Looks like Moore's to lose. Big question here...where does McCutcheon/Cassar fit? I REALLY like Matt, in his SR Season. Healthy, he can go 4th to 8th, imo. Moore, Haught, Renda, Miklus, Weigel, Smith, Rotert, Conel all here, though I like Matt against all but a couple of those guys.
285 - Coon, Stoll, and Dhesi added to the list of 4 returning AA's, of which Nick was one. Snyder a lock, and I personally think Coon is also at a higher level. Nick from 3rd to 7th, 5th is fair.
Feeling like a fool is one of the best parts about forecasting & predicting! Bring it, JS!
Also, I'm coming out to Nemacolin next weekend, probably doing a cheap night in Uniontown before droppin the big coin at the resort. You anywhere near either?
Speaking of 21 Guns.... anyone notice his disappearance after adamantly stating McKenna is not going to Ohio State, he's going to PSU, and NATO is not going 125. He knew this for a fact. I wonder if this hiatus lasts as long as the one he took after the Big 10 tournament.
Bad use of pronoun for me there! I meant Fix would be the best bet against Nato !Suriano is so good he can gas Nato from the bench?
we really try not to speak of him
it makes the world a happier place.
I'm about an hour and a half drive to resort. Thanks a lot for the invite would love to meet but unfortunately I'll be in Virginia for my grandsons birthday.
You need an emoticon with this, you can't be serious. Especially after we beat this to death earlier this year. With only 5 repeating NCs we may as well not show up at nationals.
Sarcasm, dude, sarcasm.You need an emoticon with this, you can't be serious. Especially after we beat this to death earlier this year. With only 5 repeating NCs we may as well not show up at nationals.
Is the main thought that if McKenna transfers to Ohio State he then moves up to 149? Or is it that he will go at 141?
Probably Zahid Valencia. I was trying to be conservative with my PSU predictions for the sake of discussion. Clearly we could out perform a few of these numbers and OSU certainly could fall short.
I was thinking he was pretty big and could see him moving up. I do think that Hall will out score the 22.5 since he had 2.5 bonus points and he'll be a full 174 lber this year. Going to be fun.
To me, placing Cenzo 4th is being somewhat dismissive of what he did in March. He didn't beat IMAR in a fluke bout. He won the title in all positions. He beat Massa in the semis. This is all as a freshman. He should only get better from being in the room another year and the confidence his title has given him. Can he lose? Sure he can, but no more so than Hall or Nickal imo.
Saw that. Had no cool emoticon to come back with...You missed his sarcasm. Notice the
They're all cool, and easily available from the command line above...
Or you can go out and get your own...
Here's a question.
Let's say this thing comes down to the very last match on Saturday night. We'll assume that Nolf and Retherford have already won. And we'll also assume that the order of weight classes doesn't matter. We are tied with Ohio State.
You can choose from the likely contenders, if you wish, and you can pick whether the final matchup is between Penn State and Ohio State, but this is more a question of clutch. Which of our wrestlers do you want taking the mat?
Let's say this thing comes down to the very last match on Saturday night. We'll assume that Nolf and Retherford have already won. And we'll also assume that the order of weight classes doesn't matter. We are tied with Ohio State.
You can choose from the likely contenders, if you wish, and you can pick whether the final matchup is between Penn State and Ohio State, but this is more a question of clutch. Which of our wrestlers do you want taking the mat?
If Zain and Nolf have already won, last match of NCAA's and need a win, I'll take the 2 time junior world champion Mark Hall, very cool wrestler, would not panic. If I need bonus, give me Bo.
I would love to see Bo vs Martin for the individual and team title.
Would be even better if Martin needed bonus for the team title.
But I think Valencia will be there not Martin
They're all cool, and easily available from the command line above...
Or you can go out and get your own....
Ok, Roar just seriously schooled me on tech and on emojis. What is the world coming to?
[emoji goes here but I'm still using text hope you get the idea winky winky]
OMG, impossible!! I seriously consider you among the most tech-savvy of my friends, wrestling or otherwise. I bow down before you...
OMG, impossible!! I seriously consider you among the most tech-savvy of my friends, wrestling or otherwise. I bow down before you...
I did not actually go to the floor but that is still worthy of a ROTFLMAO.
The first time I used an emoji here it was by accident. I accidentally found out that, even with JavaScript turned off, when you type an old-school text smiley made of a colon immediately followed by close-parenthesis, it will show as a smile emoji. Also, when you type a text wink-smiley made of a semicolon immediately followed by a close-parenthesis, it will show as a winking smile emoji. Does anyone know if there are any other text-smiley shortcuts?
I'll bet the Icelanders have got mad emoji game!
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