2020 UWW Junior & U23 Nationals Thread
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Next year when Smith sucks him down to 157.
Not necessarily a cautionary tale! I wasn't trying to say Facundo is going to be a sure bust. They had similar high school careers. Guys he used to dominate caught up and he took some losses that would have raised eyebrows a year or two earlier. Then he had an unspectacular redshirt year. But this year he was great and seemed to break through that wall he hit two years earlier.
That's what Facundo is going to need to do. He didn't become the breakout dominant force many expected in high school. Doesn't mean he won't become that in college.
You are right about going to the right room. As far as day 1 prodigies like Nolf and Hall.
As a freshman Mark Hall lost to Brucki, then in his first varsity competition he lost to Meyer. Of course after a year in the PSU room he won a title.
Nolf lost to James Green as a true freshman, and while Green has been pretty darn good in his post college career, in college he was never a finalist.
David Taylor was physically bitch slapped by Cyler Sanderson in his first college public competition.
Bi Nickal got beat early in his freshman year.
Spencer Lee had several losses his freshman year.
Cael lost a match his true freshman year.
Nobody I can think of showed up on campus prepared to be a national champion prior to some serious tutelage in a quality room.
Agreed. He lost to a guy that is in his third year of college and had a hot tournament - oh, without giving up a folkstyle point.
From what I've seen, Facundo's biggest issue seems to be getting outmuscled. That, imo, is probably the least worrisome kind of problem. It's easily resolved by strength training and age/growth. I'm not pushing any panic button.
Facundo may have had more important things on his mind.
This is a much more useful example of how to internet on bwi with js8793. Dude is an extremely objective observer and objectivity permeates his written analysis.
So much more refreshing seeing someone read & react to js' written words, than be blinded by his Hawkeye fandom!
Is Mason Manville still contracted with the PSU ROTC detachment? One of my former NCOs is a cadet there right now, and said Mason was in the ROTC program.
I wonder if people commission and then get stationed out at the Army WCAP in Colorado Springs. Looking at the athletes in the WCAP program, it seems most of them are NCOs.
I wonder how one secures a WCAP slot, coming out of college, as a newly commissioned LT? Anyone know if that's a thing?
Very good points. I think where I might push back is that I would have confidently picked those guys to place as true freshmen. I'm not sure I would pick Facundo to place next year unless I see some more juice in his offense. He seems to have the goods, but not the quick trigger finger/killer instinct yet. Starocci would be a good model here as another guy who was very good, but didn't put up a ton of points against top guys. Obviously, that changed very quickly in the Penn State room!
But speaking of Starocci, one thing that's been ratting around my mind with Facundo is whether he's going to be able to wrestle his ideal weight. I think his path to the lineup is at 165, but I'm very skeptical that 165 is where he should be. Most had him projected as a 174/184 guy a couple years ago. He has a big frame. He looked a little outmuscled down at 163. I think he could benefit from a serious strength program, but that puts him at 174/184 where you guys already have young stars.
I was down there. While it may not have been a "loaded" field, you couldn't turn without seeing some high level wrestling.
Omaha isn't a destination, but I actually really appreciated the setup of it and the city being prepped for it.
And damn, man... What a great feeling to be back in a cement building with mats on the floor and everybody is there because they love wrestling. #$&@, I missed that!
Omaha isn't a destination, but I actually really appreciated the setup of it and the city being prepped for it.
And damn, man... What a great feeling to be back in a cement building with mats on the floor and everybody is there because they love wrestling. #$&@, I missed that!
Can anyone tell me what the ref was telling Valencia when Facundo was making his way towards the first takedown?
"Blue adjust... ... ...."?
Also, pretty darn sure that's Brandon Slay watching the third place match, just right of center, on the far side of the mat.
"Blue adjust... ... ...."?
Also, pretty darn sure that's Brandon Slay watching the third place match, just right of center, on the far side of the mat.
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Can't believe your an iowa fan lol. Your too reasonable. I kid I kid. Oh by the way whatever haven to thag turkey guy or turk or something like that lolWe can't all be perfect
The kid loses by 4 pushouts to a guy 3/4 years older (yes AT THIS POINT IN LIFE its a huge deal) and we have some guys saying he hasnt panned out in HS?? WTF
Starocci was good in HS, but not someone I would call ELITE. Yes he improved 83% from being in our room, so will Facundo. Sit back, watch, and ENJOY.
Starocci was good in HS, but not someone I would call ELITE. Yes he improved 83% from being in our room, so will Facundo. Sit back, watch, and ENJOY.
So you contend without a year in the Cornell room Dake and Yanni win freshman titles? They could have trained on their own, or in their high school room(s) and stepped onto the mat at nationals and run the table?
My opinion is different, but OK.
This was your statement:
"Nobody I can think of showed up on campus prepared to be a national champion prior to some serious tutelage in a quality room."
Yianni beat the other NCAA finalist (Bryce Meredith) in the beginning of December. Pretty sure that isn't a "year in the Cornell room," but indicates he was, at that point, ready to be a national champion. Same with Dake, who beat the #4 guy in November and the #1 guy in January.
And even with some of the other guys mentioned who took some early losses, you still could see that they were legit contenders. Hall gave up a weird tilt to Brucki to lose, but a month later stormed through the scuffle. James Green was an overwhelming title favorite the previous year and (I think?) still ranked first when he beat Nolf, who had already dispatched Brian Realbuto earlier in the tournament. It was pretty clear Nolf was already a solid AA type guy, if not a title contender. Same thing with Brooks this year.
All freshmen should be expected to take some losses, but there are a few where you can see right away, despite some losses, that they're going to be in the mix by March. We'll have to wait and see what he looks like next fall, but right now I don't think Facundo is on a trajectory to be in that mix year one. I think he's going to need a couple years, like 99% of great recruits.
So the crux of the debate going on is whether in Facundo we have recruited a Zain or Nolf, or just got stuck with another Cassar?
#TheLongestOffseasonSo the crux of the debate going on is whether in Facundo we have recruited a Zain or Nolf, or just got stuck with another Cassar?
Or got stuck with another Taylor.So the crux of the debate going on is whether in Facundo we have recruited a Zain or Nolf, or just got stuck with another Cassar?
Never Forget the year where we had very little freestyle and resorted to discussing old recruiting periods because our fanbase is THAT blessed lol.
To be fair, js also called out Jimmy Gullibon--who I'd also be quite happy with, frankly. You knew exactly what you were going to watch when Johnny Cash started playing on the PA. With Jimmy, you never knew, and that is its own kind of f*n.
Yet they failed to win a title prior to spending a year in Cornell's room.
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