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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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Didn’t know it started. Will DVR. Thanks for the heads up.
That was intense. And man, I’m yelling at the tv at all the bad decisions being made along the way. So many bad decisions!
bwifan
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It's amazing reading some of the news story's today as scientists study that area. How the animals have adapted and taken over vine covered towns and city. Scientists thought nothing would be able to live there for 100 years and animals now are thriving there in actually a fairly normal way.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com...byl-wildlife-thirty-year-anniversary-science/
Well not completely, I thought the giant mutant cat fish were fairly abnormal.
bwifan
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There are a ton of studies and information and news online. Amazing to see these cities abandoned and hogs/bears/etc living in buildings. Lots of research being done on reproduction as well with really interesting findings...
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160421-the-chernobyl-exclusion-zone-is-arguably-a-nature-reserve
bwifan
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Yes that has been wild the cooling ponds and fish mutations. Really interesting information out there to spend some time reading. It is a real life science research project being conducted in a large open place not a lab.
Burns running for governor was comedy gold. His political ad defending mutations never fails to crack me up
I watched episode 1 last night and was stunned at the way this disaster was handled by the authorities. Even a Soviet state should have more compassion for the people they put in harms way.
ive been fortunate to have visited many countries and have to say that Russia is clearly the weirdest place I've ever been to. There is this weird "hate" of the government and Putin yet this fanatical patriotism at the same time. It is hard to discern their commitment to one and not the other. yet, any casual conversation I had led to a total disgust for the government. If you think about it, so like WW2. The govt was a total mess but the people simply willed the Soviets into defeating the Nazis. They threw themselves into the fight with complete abandonment for themselves....and I am pretty sure that nobody did it for Stalin. And given that they were shot if retreating, to this day the people LOVE their veterans.
they hate govt. but at the same time respect what Putin has done. I have guy that works for me that grew up in Russia. talks about in the 80's/90's how they had meat once per week for dinner as that is all you could get. both his parents are educated white collar so upper middle class Russia. He says when he goes back now, it is different from the USA, but way, way better than it was 20-30 years ago. so in that sense, they give Putin credit for bringing the country along to a much better place today than it was under the USSR regime. They also respect the way Putin 'fights' against the West and the USA and has such Russian pride.
Also makes me wonder how much worse Fukushima was than what they told us.
We are talking Japan, not the Soviet Union. Two completely different styles of government, and two completely different style of reactor (GE BWR vs. RBMK).
If anything, the media has likely portrayed it as worse than it really is to drum up ratings.
Russians also are just used to a 'harder' life and accepting it. Same guy told me about his mandatory army service that all russian males have. he had two weeks of training. they then picked them up after those two weeks in a truck and drove them out to the russian border with one of the 'Stan' countries in the south. Dropped them off in a foxhole about every 200 yards apart at 6Am in the morning. he was told to look in that direction and shoot anything that comes over that ridge and call back to the base. also was told don't get up and move around as he might get shot from the other people just like him to his left and right that might not understand the directions well enough. They came back 12 hours later to pick him up. he did that for the next 12 months until his time was up.
I used to work with a guy who lived in the area at the time. I am not sure how close but it sounded very close by the way he described it. He said as soon as he knew what was going on, he sent his kids to relatives in Moscow. He still had to stay in the area for a few days. I did not press him for details. He is over 60 now and still seems to be in good health. Scary stuff.
I thought this site would never be inhabitable after the first FOOTBALL. MELTDOWN.
, but we’ve had many, and look at us!Wait.
My uncle was a prominent nuclear physicist back in the day. Shortly after the Chernobyl disaster he was asked to visit the site and provide clean up consultation. ( I’m not a nuclear physicist so I’m not conversant with the technical terms and what actually he was asked to perform ).
After his return I spoke with him and he remarked how shockingly inferior the technology and safety precautions were. He sadly joked that high school kids at a science fair could have built a better and safer installation. I guess the World is lucky that it wasn’t worse.
As an aside, as one poster already mentioned, the Japanese meltdown was portrayed by the press as worse than it actually was. When I called him and asked if we have another Chernobyl on our hands he said something like “ No they’ve got this one it’s under control “.
I’m not saying that he was omnipotent. The family joke always was that as a young man he helped design the nuclear shielding on the USS Threasher. That was the first US nuclear submarine ( don’t know of any others ) that sunk due to problems with it’s nuclear power plant .
After his return I spoke with him and he remarked how shockingly inferior the technology and safety precautions were. He sadly joked that high school kids at a science fair could have built a better and safer installation. I guess the World is lucky that it wasn’t worse.
As an aside, as one poster already mentioned, the Japanese meltdown was portrayed by the press as worse than it actually was. When I called him and asked if we have another Chernobyl on our hands he said something like “ No they’ve got this one it’s under control “.
I’m not saying that he was omnipotent. The family joke always was that as a young man he helped design the nuclear shielding on the USS Threasher. That was the first US nuclear submarine ( don’t know of any others ) that sunk due to problems with it’s nuclear power plant .
I’m convinced someone is afraid of nuclear power and that’s the reason all we hear is how dangerous it is.
The media doesn't make money by reporting about how clean, safe, and reliable nuclear power is.
US light water reactors have a negative power coefficient, so if there is a rapid rise in power, the physics of the reactor want to shut it down. The Russian style RBMK reactor had a positive power coefficient. The soviets did not follow procedure and defeated safety systems to run a test at an unstable power level. It used Graphite as a moderator, instead of water (like we do in the US), which caught on fire. So not only are the type of reactors completely different, but in the US you can not turn off safety systems, procedures adherence is a way of life, and many safety upgrades have been implemented in the last 30 years.
The reactors at Fukushima Daiichi, were GE Boiling Water reactors. We have those in the US, but they are only about a third of the fleet. Not only were those Japanese plants very old, they were built in a poor location. They also did not keep up with the US as far as safety upgrades over the years. Considering all that, it's amazing how well those plants held up against two beyond design basis accidents in one day. Since the incident, the US has implemented even more safety protocols.
People in the media have an agenda. What that is, I have no idea. In this case, I'm sure they are being fed exaggerated information by someone who has no interest in nuclear power becoming successful. Otherwise, they'd just ignore it like they do windmills.
Yet these same people by and large want mankind to significantly reduce its usage of fossil fuels.
Dirty Laundry. Don Henley got it about right.
Fukishima failed because in the end, the back up generators were in the basement and flooded out adn stopped and therefore the reactor went out of control. if the back-up generators were not in the basement and a hurricane and tidal wave dont' hit at the same time, it doesn't happen.
In general, you are correct. But to be clear, the reactor was never out of control. The Fukushima reactor shutdown when the earthquake hit, but the reactor still produced decay heat for quite some time. Just to give the board an idea, as soon as a reactor trips, the decay heat level is ~5% (of ~2300 MW). You will be ~0.5% after 2 days. But it takes closer to 60 days to get to ~0.1%. Later when the Tsunami hit, it wiped out the diesel generators, and they lost the ability to remove the decay heat. Eventually the fuel got hot enough that it melted.
Both the earthquake and the tsunami were beyond the design bases of the plant.
Yeah, fake news. Chernobyl and Fukushima never happened. The evil media is conspiring to make up stories to further their secret agenda that nobody knows about. Windmills are the real problem.
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Read Revelation 8, vs 10-11 which is about the Third Trumpet. Many bible translations have the word “Wormwood” in vs 11. The Russian translation for Wormwood is Chernobyl.
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Yeah, fake news. Chernobyl and Fukushima never happened. The evil media is conspiring to make up stories to further their secret agenda that nobody knows about. Windmills are the real problem.
Guess the point sailed over your head. Nobody said they didn’t happen.
Thanks for sharing some of your uncle’s experiences. Good stuff! Just for the record, the USS Threasher sunk due to poor weld (brazing) procedures on the piping. This led to a major overhaul of quality procedures for nuclear subsea systems and components.
But, you’re forgetting that THE SCIENCE IS ALREADY SETTLED! We never get science wrong!
Post_ShockTherapy_MackDaddy
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Well, TMI turned out worse than what they said, too. And, that's the United States.
