600 faculty members retire
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600 New ADMINISTRATORS to be hired
A generation ago, there was 1 ADMINISTRATOR for every 3.8 Faculty
Today, it is 1 ADMINISTRATOR for every 2.2 Faculty
THIS is a chief reason why college affordability is the way it is.
You could go thru the Admins with a fire hose, wash out 50% of them, and a week later, nobody but nobody would notice they were gone.
Fewer meetings. A real bonus for some.
expand this program to the BOT- offer them an amount equal to what they stole last year and show them the door
And why school taxes keep going up.
So if this is going to be like business, a good portion of the retired and paid off employees are going to be hired right back as contractors.
I bet a bunch of them already have their deals in place.
I bet a bunch of them already have their deals in place.
The company I work for (large worldwide industrial company) in the past 24+ months has layed off and/or not hired any people leaving in the company headquarters to the tune of a 33% reduction in staff with by the end of 2017 will get to a total of 40% headquarter reduction in a 3 year period (talking multi-hundreds of positions). At a recent meeting, he noted that even though they have gone through such a sizable reduction, not one local business unit has yet to complain at all nor say they have lost any meaningful services from headquarters.
...if anyone was really serious about cutting costs and lowering taxes in a state they would start by cutting the number of school districts by about 90%... if Pennsylvania made each county an individual school district and eliminated all the extra administrative staff the savings would fund all the extra curricular activities that have been eliminated over the years...
So you're going to have one basketball team for all of Phildelphia county? One football team? Put a few administrators in charge of 300 schools? I guess you're the person who likes Betsy.
That's what happens when a whole ass load of new assistant/associate ADs are hired.
Savings will be ZERO, actually it will cost more as they increase the cost of tuition with all the "free" money (student loans). What a JOKE !!!! You can't have enough administrators. Who else would do the hiring and spending. Education ???
County based schools have MORE admin here in MD than in PA, its worse here in my opinion.
Im from washington co and there is talk of consolidation of Avella and or Wash High every year to save costs but when it comes down to it, it always costs more due to transportation. Greene county would be the same.
525 school districts in PA each with a Superintendent making big money (Abington Sd Super paid approximately 330K at age 62) Retires at 65 with 300K, times 20 years equals 6 Million. Yeah, I am jealous, but the system ...........stinks. Our legislators and school boards are .........the enemy. Sad.
Guys I'm not saying 1 high school in 67 counties.I sad 1 school district in each county.There could be anywhere from 1 to 10 to 15 High Schools.My county(Greene) has 5 Superintendents which is ridiculous,that's over $500,000 for those 5.We could easily get by with 1 instead of 5.We could get by with just two high school in Greene and maybe offer the kids a better curriculum than what we have now!Bison I can see Avella have some transportation cost but not Wash High it's already surrounded by Trinity.West Greene would cost in transportation but it's only seven miles from Rodgersville to Waynesburg,not really that far.While we're at it lets get rid of Standardized Testing!!!l
Taxpayers constantly complain about the cost of school taxes, but whenever school or district consolidation is broached, the immediate reaction is, "Not my school/district!" Everyone wants a school their kids can walk to, everyone wants to secure local control over their school (school boards).
Can someone please tell me why every high school has to have its own football stadium? Why couldn't three or four high schools share a centrally located stadium?
Can someone please tell me why every high school has to have its own football stadium? Why couldn't three or four high schools share a centrally located stadium?
No super is making 300k for their entire career, idiot. What did your example super start at? If your facts aren't alternate (which I suspect they are), you picked the outlier to the norm.
His facts are just fine.
Superintendent Dr Amy Sichel is knocking down $320k for a school district of 7,500 students. By comparison, the chief of the School District of Philadelphia, with 250,000 students, is at $200k. Dr Sichel is the highest paid superintendent in Pennsylvania, so in that respect she is an outlier, but don't kid yourself. Our super in Fox Chapel is over $200. I can live with that, what gets me is each of the elementary schools not only has a principal, they have an ASSISTANT principal. That's six positions each well into six figures with a retirement that NEVER stops.
http://www.mcall.com/news/nationwor...-schools-super-gets-raise-20150607-story.html
Abington is a very prosperous district and is considered one of the best SD's in the state. That said, $300k is damn good money for anybody.
I'd take it.... Heck, I could almost retire on one year of that. Two for sure {as I am a hair over 60}.
NO! I live in the largest (area wise) county in FL and adjacent to the two largest population counties. You would not believe the corruption and exorbitant buildings and offices these people occupy. I agree w/ consolidating in rural areas, but turning HUGE areas and population bases over to a central authority is a bad, bad idea. Trust me.
MtNittney so you have corruption and extraordinary spending in your local school district but don't want to consolidate districts to a central administration?
Looked up the local school district administration near me ( K-12, ~8,000 students)-
1 high school
2 middle schools
7 elementary schools
Superintendent- $135,000 per yr.
Asst Super(prof develop)- $128,500
Asst Super (elem Ed)- $112,500
Asst Super (MS & HS)- $125,000
Admin- $104,666
Admin- $103,872
Super of curriculum- $99,772
Dir of Human Resources- $98,381
Admin- $98,227
Admin- $97,527
Admin- $96,081
(3 other Admins salary not listed)
Director- $102,621
Principal (HS)- $99,395
481 non teaching staff
516 teachers
Avg teacher salary ('13)- $55,710
Avg teacher benefits- $23,917
Total avg teacher compensation- $79,626
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1) I live in the largest county east of the Mississippi (Palm Beach) where WPB shouldn't be dictating to Clewiston, etc. 2) I work in Broward and Dade all the time. 3) I've been to Dade County sb meetings - trying to get over-engineered playground specs changed. They are idiots (of course).
Go for it. You'll get to build one of these in each county:
Then of course, you'll get to maintain, heat, a/c, each of them and of course make sure every desk has a lifetime salaried/pensioned lackey sitting behind it.
That salary is way out of the ordinary as she is the highest paid one in the state. I hate when people use extreme examples and try to pass them off as typical. The average superintendent in PA makes $131,565. Considering they manage an average budget of slightly over $50 million and an average of 531 employees I don't think they are over paid. They are an easy target because they make more then the average person however I bet they make far less then most in private sector with less responsibility.
That being said there major cost savings in consolidating school district. There are many duplicated facilities, staff and services that would not be needed if they went to county wide system. Do you really need to pour money in maintaining football stadiums at ever school? Does every little town need a high school period? In addition to cost saving you also increase the number of opertubities to students. With larger schools you can have programs or classes that there just not enough students to do in smaller schools.
How much time have you spent shadowing those principals to know they are not needed? I don't think most people realize how much additional work load school administrators have these days due to state and federal regulations. Half of which is due to knee jerk reactions and trying to hold teachers and other employees accountable. The same people crying about administrative bloat are the same ones forcing all this for teacher accountability. Even a long time teacher who is excellent has to be observed and evaluated several times a year. Another perfect example is the knee jerk reaction after Sandusky. Some schools have been forced hire people just to process clearances. Want to chaperone a field trip? You must submit clearances. Want to coach? You much submit clearance. Not only do they need clearances but they must call and have them fill out a form every place you worked with kids. For some people that could be 20 places. Schools have to get translation services because they worked in foreign countries.
In MD with county based schools we have a Super in charge of 80K kids and 5K+ employees, they make 300K/year plus numerous perks. That is cheap relative to the amount of kids, but where the excess comes in is in the deputy super and then their asst's and then the regional supers and then the asst regional supers and then their assts. etc. All in all about 50 people who are all making 150K+. Probably only need 1/3 of them. There alone is roughly 3 million they could save, now for the other savings... The hundreds of people who work at the board of ED in useless positions. Probably 200 of them here in our county at an avg of 80K there is another 16 million.
Im not saying yes or no to consolidate, just that county based schools are NOT the answer. Lots of opportunity for even more wasted money. Schools like Avella and West Greene should probably consolidate, but state law requires one school district to completely absorb another. Green and Washington have some of the largest school districts by acreage in the state due to farming so the problem is when a school like West Greene needs to consolidate the sheer land area makes it impossible to make reasonable transportation for elementary kids, some of whom will need to ride a bus for over an hour.
Mapletown should consolidate but maybe two townships to Waynesburg and 1 to Carmichaels, except the state says you cant do that. Once the state amends that rule I do think you will see quite a few smaller school systems consolidate with part of their kids going to one school and the other part to a different school.
Im not saying yes or no to consolidate, just that county based schools are NOT the answer. Lots of opportunity for even more wasted money. Schools like Avella and West Greene should probably consolidate, but state law requires one school district to completely absorb another. Green and Washington have some of the largest school districts by acreage in the state due to farming so the problem is when a school like West Greene needs to consolidate the sheer land area makes it impossible to make reasonable transportation for elementary kids, some of whom will need to ride a bus for over an hour.
Mapletown should consolidate but maybe two townships to Waynesburg and 1 to Carmichaels, except the state says you cant do that. Once the state amends that rule I do think you will see quite a few smaller school systems consolidate with part of their kids going to one school and the other part to a different school.
Very true. I appreciate the groundswell for accountability, but the people seeking it need to understand that it costs $$ to have people count and report things. In the not-for-profit world, every donative agency and contributor wants to have detailed reports on their donation, and it's understandable, but they also want to see a very low ration of administrative cost to program delivery. Can't really have both.
I'll disagree with this. I live in VA where everything is driven at the county level. Schools are massive, perhaps some lack accountability and budgets are HUGE, to the tune of 50% of the total county budget. I'll take PA's model of "hyper-locality" that offers people the choice of living in large or small municipalities. As far as costs, you still roughly have the same # of teachers. small district principals make less than large district principals and large county wide districts have layers of admin(mgmt) that never sets foot in a school. To each their own, but I don't think $$ is a major driver here.
If they do force consolidation they need to also consolidate schools. That was the biggest problems the last time there was mandated consolidation. The districts consolidated school boards but for the most part operated as separate units. One district year later try to combine high schools. One school had about 120 kids per grade and the other had about 80. It would have saved millions annually and give the students more pa courses and electives, more sports etc. Some of the rediculous arguments against it was some students may have an additional 10 minute bus ride, one parent complained there would be one less homecoming queen. A bunch complained fewer kids would get athletic scholarships due to having compete for positions. Keep in mind the last D1 athlete from these schools in any sport was 20+ years ago.In MD with county based schools we have a Super in charge of 80K kids and 5K+ employees, they make 300K/year plus numerous perks. That is cheap relative to the amount of kids, but where the excess comes in is in the deputy super and then their asst's and then the regional supers and then the asst regional supers and then their assts. etc. All in all about 50 people who are all making 150K+. Probably only need 1/3 of them. There alone is roughly 3 million they could save, now for the other savings... The hundreds of people who work at the board of ED in useless positions. Probably 200 of them here in our county at an avg of 80K there is another 16 million.
Im not saying yes or no to consolidate, just that county based schools are NOT the answer. Lots of opportunity for even more wasted money. Schools like Avella and West Greene should probably consolidate, but state law requires one school district to completely absorb another. Green and Washington have some of the largest school districts by acreage in the state due to farming so the problem is when a school like West Greene needs to consolidate the sheer land area makes it impossible to make reasonable transportation for elementary kids, some of whom will need to ride a bus for over an hour.
Mapletown should consolidate but maybe two townships to Waynesburg and 1 to Carmichaels, except the state says you cant do that. Once the state amends that rule I do think you will see quite a few smaller school systems consolidate with part of their kids going to one school and the other part to a different school.
Virginia spends $10,960 per student while PA spends $13,864 per student. Do you feel PA students are getting a far superior education for spending 30% more per student?
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That reminds me of something I was told once:
An architect that I used to work with was a DuPont heir. He told me a story about one of his uncles who was giving a tour of the headquarters to a guest back in the '50's or thereabouts. The guest was very impressed with the size of the buildings and the number of people that were employed there. When he asked Mr. DuPont how many people worked there, Mr. DuPont replied "about half of them".
Where you from in Greene County medimax? And you are right Carmichaels Jeff Morgan and Mapletown should combine as well as Waynesburg and West Greene
On the other hand ... Our SD K-2nd grade was in one building and had ~ 1,000 students in that building. Further they tell you when you progress from K to 1st grade, at best they will have 1 student they know from their K class in 1st grade. Consolidation = size. Some of us do not want it.
I pulled my son after 2 weeks and now pay for a private school. I want my tax dollars back for the 15 years I have owned this house.
I pulled my son after 2 weeks and now pay for a private school. I want my tax dollars back for the 15 years I have owned this house.
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