45, asshole. And can you name the three he was acquitted of and the significance of one of the acquittals?
And do your homework before you assume that I believe sandusky is innocent.
Aaron Fisher Offers to Meet Ziegler in Sunday Inky, But Backs Out In Epic Facebook Conversation
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45, asshole. And can you name the three he was acquitted of and the significance of one of the acquittals?
And do your homework before you assume that I believe sandusky is innocent.
No, but what the poster implied in his OP was that just the act of showering with a child is a crime. Wrong. Then he adds the lathering up part after the fact so that he can sanctimoniously say that we all need help.
Why did he get called out in the first place? Either way if you read that exchange and somehow see a positive, check yourself in. Fighting with victims on social media is disturbing. Even if you feel differently about AF, this comes off sick.
There are several assholes (trolls) in this thread spewing the same old garbage. They can't make a valid point to counter the people here who are far more knowledgeable on the subject than they are, so they make up bullshit in a desperate attempt to claim that they are right and the rest of us are wrong. They are pathetic.
You really think any good will come from that exchange? JZ is actually proud about it. If your logic is saying this was a good job, feel free to ignore me. JZ attemped to post this BS on 247, he would be shreaded. Somehow here he has a few that keep him coming back.
I'm very sorry that I'm not more knowledgable about the legalities or righteousness of showering with children. Sick ****.
I don't know what will come of it good or bad. This isn't about that. Fisher issued the challenge and then, when it was answered, ran like a little girl.
The simple fact they are interacting with each other is a train wreck. You apparently can't see this which is fine.
It was a wreck for Fisher, but I don't see how it was a wreck to answer the challenge.
Again, because you didn't feel the need to respond to what I said earlier - how precisely is (1) agreeing to meet JZ in the Lock Haven area and (2) having JZ pick the time to meet until the precise moment when JZ called Fisher a liar and a flake, saying that a questionable facebook account wasn't his, and bringing up Fisher's car accident "running like a little girl"? Fisher was fully prepared and willing to meet with JZ in person - after stating concerns about JZ selectively editing phone conversations - until JZ began to attack and harass him. Fisher's reaction is the fault of nobody but JZ.
Aaron Fisher and McQueary are the foundation on which this whole case is built. Both have huge credibility problems and both stories are full of holes. I believe the same people who always go nuts when JZ posts and call him crazy realize this. There is a great deal invested in "the narrative".
Well there is those 2 and all the other actual victims. Jerry is a pedophile. JZ can't walk that back. Him attacking victims or witnesses hasn't changed a thing.
I don't feel the need to respond to this because you think Fisher is telling the truth. I think he is not and Zig has no reason to lie.
Huh? It doesn't matter what I "think" about Fisher's truthfulness. I quoted Fisher's willingness to meet directly from the screenshots that JZ posted on his website. Now, I guess you could say that Fisher is lying, but I'm not sure how in the world you could say that Fisher "ran away like a little girl" in this circumstance when it's right there in the text of the exchange that that's not what occurred. Whether you continue to believe that JZ has any reason to fictionalize or exaggerate his points is none of my concern, my concern in this case is that you deliberately misrepresented the exchange and seem to be completely unwilling to accept the reality that exists in the text - and that reality is that Fisher stated repeatedly his desire to meet with JZ in person in the Lock Haven area at a time of JZ's choice.
Zig has stated that he lives in California and then states that his travel requires a lot of time and expense. He wants a phone number and address from Fisher so that if Fisher doesn't show, Zig can track him down. That is a reasonable request. Fisher refuses. Fisher would like nothing more than to have Zig spend that money and investment in time and then not show up.
Yeah, it's perfectly reasonable to request the exact address/phone number of a sexual abuse victim.
You are sick.
You are sick.
So, you would make the trip from California to Pa. on the word of Fisher? If Zig called the time of the meeting and ask you to be there to verify that Fisher showed, would you be there, but only as a listening witness, or would you be afraid your belief and all your name calling and disparaging comments would be shown for what they are?
No. Normal people would not be talking to Fisher. Never mind asking for an address So the lunatic can show up at his house.
Yeah, I'm certain you'd make the trip from California based on Fisher saying he'd be there, wouldn't you?.
What is wrong with you? In no way does Zieglar have any business contacting Fisher or anyone else.
I don't care what you think the truth is. But in an effort to figure out the truth, a "reporter" or whatever he is, should not conduct himself the way Mr. Ziegler does. I'm all for finding out the truth, if it's different than what the court of law has shown, with regards to Jerry...but ugh. Just ugh.
Why would a "lunatic" need to show up at his house if Fisher showed up at the time Zig identified?
Lol.... sorry, 45! You got me there.
Of course I can name the 3, just like I am sure that you know that He wasn't found completely innocent with that victim either. it's highly doubtful that he exerted his pedo tendencies with other victims but not that one.
Wow. Fisher and Zig should not be talking. Never. Nada. Zip.
There's nothing wrong with me and I'm certain that I have enough posts on this board that most posters know that. You, however, have been calling other posters names and making disparaging comments about them, only because they don't agree with you. I'll take my reputation over yours.
My counterpoint is that normal people don't bear hug kids in the shower.
Then why did Fisher, cavalierly, issue the challenge to the Inquire?
I'm terribly sorry to call out posters who think sodomy is no big deal, victims of abuse should be contacted by advocates for their perpetrators, and think Jerry Sandusky isn't a pedophile. I'm so sorry.
Fisher is what... 19? Give me a break. The kid has been through hell and you are all mad at him for going back against his word to talk to someone who is exploiting this situation for his own gain? Terrible.
I won't disagree with you being "terribly sorry". Oh, and I never stated that Sandusky was not guilty and I never stated that "sodomy is no big deal" but I think you know that. I also think you will continue with these claims because that's the kind of gentleman you are.
Let's put it this way.
I'd rather be the type of guy who is thought of as a douchebag than the type of guy who thinks it's okay/normal for victims of sexual abuse to be contacted by advocates for their perpetrators.
Keep defending JZ. Fisher should tell him to go to hell in all honesty. He owes JZ nothing.
No kidding. Sandusky will die where he belongs. This nutbag is screaming about is innocence and people think he and victims should be in contact. SMH
I don't know how old Fisher but I do believe he is old enough to not make challenges he's not willing to follow up on. Relative to "exploiting this situation", Zig has uncovered enough about this whole situation and the people involved to make me curious. Tough if you can't handle it.
This is what happens when a guy like JS has terrible representation, and when PSU at the same time starts handing out blank checks to anyone who has a lawyer that went to a law school that is ranked higher than the Capital University School of Law.
The whole thing is totally screwed up. You aren't allowed to say that maybe, just maybe, some of the "victims" are less than fully truthful, without it being turned into a screde about JS being innocent.
Anybody with an IQ over 50 can see that both things are possible: that JS is guilty, and that some of the so-called victims, really aren't.
The whole thing is totally screwed up. You aren't allowed to say that maybe, just maybe, some of the "victims" are less than fully truthful, without it being turned into a screde about JS being innocent.
Anybody with an IQ over 50 can see that both things are possible: that JS is guilty, and that some of the so-called victims, really aren't.
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