About James Franklin....
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Most impressive part of that stat is that CJF had to play with a handicapped roster in 2014 & 2015 (from illegitimate NCAA sanctions which were ultimately completely thrown out via court action against the NCAA).
But we're the only one of the 5 to not win a national title (or even make the playoff) in that timeframe. The other teams won New Year's 6 games that were also CFP semis. Ohio State has 6 including their 2 CFP semifinal wins.
I'd rather see us on this list:
CFP appearances (titles in parentheses):
Alabama 7(3)
Georgia 3(2)
Clemson 6(2)
Ohio State 5(1)
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 2
LSU 1(1)
Michigan 2
Michigan State 1
Oregon 1
Florida State 1
TCU 1
Washington 1
Cincinnati 1
The Big 10 gifted Ohio State a cfp appearance and it resulted in a national title.
2014 Ohio State needed corrupt Big 10 officials to save them from a second regular season loss.
Refs award two ridiculous calls to OSU
Ten of Ohio State's first-half points came after these two mis-calls.
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Frankly, looking back on the Jerry Sandusky situation, I am shocked PSU is still an elite program. (second tier to the top five). I think that O'Brian did a great job with his hard-nosed, blue-collar approach. CJF is a great figurehead for the brand, runs a really clean program, and is a great recruiter. His game-day coaching isn't the best, IMHO.
But at a macro-level, the two coaches have been outstanding. I think CJF is still crawling out from under the JS years given the scandals, lack of talent, and uphill battle to get kids and funding against programs like tOSU and Michigan.
In conversations outside of our program, fans of both UM and tOSU are very respectful of Franklin and he'd be gone in a NY second if he wanted to. He'd easily have gotten HC positions at ND or USC if he campaigned for them.
But at a macro-level, the two coaches have been outstanding. I think CJF is still crawling out from under the JS years given the scandals, lack of talent, and uphill battle to get kids and funding against programs like tOSU and Michigan.
In conversations outside of our program, fans of both UM and tOSU are very respectful of Franklin and he'd be gone in a NY second if he wanted to. He'd easily have gotten HC positions at ND or USC if he campaigned for them.
True and that's a decade and 2 head coaches ago. They are 0 for 4 since then. Remember when Clemsoning was a term to mean choking in the big game? Well, now Ohio St has become that old Clemson and Clemson, well they have a couple more recent titles than Ohio St. Funny how things change.The Big 10 gifted Ohio State a cfp appearance and it resulted in a national title.
2014 Ohio State needed corrupt Big 10 officials to save them from a second regular season loss.
Refs award two ridiculous calls to OSU
Ten of Ohio State's first-half points came after these two mis-calls.
The "game day coaching" thing intrigues me. I often hear Franklin praised for his CEO approach and allowing his assistants to do their thing. Are they not allowed to do their thing on game days? Does Franklin step in and coach up the offense, defense and special teams? I would imagine numerous situations are covered throughout the year in practice and game prep. I read, and I think it was Saban who said, "Most teams practice until they get it right. We practice until we can't get it wrong". Maybe Saban's philosophy should be in play here
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Great question.
I am sure every coach gets second guessed on play calling and clock management. It is hard to know what is going on down on the sideline. And the players have so many more options as plays play out in real time. I recall being in a close game coming into halftime when we got the ball with a minute left. The QB handed the ball to Barkley up the middle and I groaned knowing we didn't have any timeouts. We can only stop the clock with incompletions, a first down or going OOB. As it turned out, Barkley broke a long run and I looked like the idiot I am compared to CJF.
My concern is that the team has lost a TON of games we should have won. I am thinking about big leads we gave up versus tOSU and USC in the rose. We almost did the same against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game. I feel CJF is too conservative in games and takes his foot off the gas when he's concerned we'll have a turnover. Illinois 9 overtime game as well. We had a lead, Illinois couldn't move the ball. We played the most conservative vanilla offense since the Iowa 6-4 game.
The rest won playoff games with those bowl wins. It's not even remotely comparable. Franklin's a great coach but we all know we aren't on the level of the others...yet anyway.
Okay, but they're still 5th on the list - only you could see this as a negative. LMAO
Who said it was a negative? Just don't make it something it's not.
Playoff games are important.
This season and next will go a long way in defining Franklin. He has worked tirelessly in building a brand and recruiting great kids and families. This season will be fun to see the result of a decade of hard work.
JUST FREAKING BEAT OHIO STATE AND MICHIGAN IN THE SAME YEAR AND THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.
Making it something it's not??? WTF are you talking about dipwad - it's extremely impressive given that it covers CJF's entire tenure at PSU and only 5 programs out of 130 FBS programs that can make the claim (even if you include CFP Invitational wins in the CFP Hosting/NY6 Bowls). So if it's so easy to do, why are there only 5 schools with 3 or more wins in CFP/NY6 Hosting Bowls since 2014??? With the others outside of PSU (3) being Alabama (7), duhO$U (6), UGa (5) and Clemson (4).
Again, since it's so damn easy please explain why there are only 5 schools that have accomplished it - with PSU being one of them - during CJF's tenure at PSU? This contortionist act should be amusing. LMFAO
From a game management perspective I don’t like going for it on fourth down when it appears to be predetermined prior to the game and not having the second string QB ready to play ie; Iowa. Other than that I think CJF has done a good job. If he gets over the osu and michy hump I would label his tenure as very good and a NC would take him to excellent….IMHO
We haven’t seen this level of consistency since the 80s. And in the 80s, we weren’t coming off debilitating sanctions. Bill O’Brien and James Franklin were exactly what we needed coming out of Sandusky nightmare. We’re very lucky to have Franklin. Outside of Saban and perhaps one or two others, who else would’ve had this level of success coming off of killer sanctions?
The post alone is making it something it's not. It's comparing things that aren't comparable. Winning those bowl games is different when they're part of the playoff which we all now. There's a huge gap between CFP and NY6
We're not close to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and Ohio State as every single person here know. You're comparing them with this nonsense.
I don't think we were lucky to have O'Brien. He inherited a team with lots of talent even after the defections. He stayed with the Patriots while kids were defecting and recruits were decommitting. He defended himself by saying PSU was hiring a coach for the next 5+ years, not just the current year. Obviously that wasn't true.
Franklin inherited a much more depleted roster than O'Brien.
Those other programs have more NIL money, better recruiting classes, better facilities, less academic standards for there players, and are generally regarded as football factories. Yet CJF is always striving to make the program better, without sacrificing Success with Honor. No matter how much the fan base thinks he's doing a bad job given, he's doing more with less. Keep up the great work James!
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Why did they choose 2014? With these types of stats, don’t you want to accomplish it in the shortest amount of time? The first win of his three was the Fiesta in 2017. Then Cotton in 2019, the Rose in 2023. Does moving it to 2017 eliminate any other teams from the list? If not, I guess I can understand leaving it at 2014.
You're so full of shit as per usual - you are the one claiming that it is laying claim to something it isn't a$$wipe. The claim it is making is quite simple - since CJF took the reigns at PSU in 2014, PSU is one of 5 FBS Programs that has recorded 3 or more wins in the CFP-Affiliated Bowl Games (the CFP Committee Controls invites to all 6 of these games). Since you claim it isn't impressive and easily accomplished, please list all the other FBS teams outside of these 5 that have done it. Guess what dipshit, you can't list anyone but these 5 because they are the only 5 FBS teams to have won 3 or more CFP-Affiliated Bowls since 2014. BTW, nowhere does this Statistical FACT make any of the comparisons you claim (a comparison of the numbe and quantity of wins between the 5) - it simply states that they are the only 5 programs with 3 or more wins in the CFP-Affiliated Bowls, which stands on it's face-value given that only 5 of 130 FBS programs have 3 or more wins in these Bowls since 2014.
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Ummmm...... because that's the year CJF began his tenure! IOW, since CJF came to PSU, PSU is one of only 5 FBS teams that has 3 or more wins in the CFP-Affiliated Bowl Games with the other 4 being Alabama, UGa, Clemson and duhO$U.
Why are we grouping together playoff and NY6? It's insincere.
You're desperate to believe we're better than we are as this nonsensical rant proves. How many playoff games have we won? How many have the others won since Franklin arrived? Not all Rose Bowls are equal. In the playoff the have actual meaning as opposed to a scrimmage.
Also, winning a playoff game is beating a top 4 team...we've haven't done that in any if the Bowls games as we haven't made the playoff
Please accept reality.
You're full of shit yet again - All of the NY6 Bowls are affiliated with and controlled by the CFP Committee and their rankings (i.e., placement of all teams in the NY6 CFP-Affiliated Bowls is controlled by the CFP Rankings). So your statement: "Why are we grouping together playoff and NY6?" Is asinine on it's face the CFP-Affiliated Bowls are the NY6 Bowls, you ass - the first round of the CFP 4-Team Invitational rotates between these Bowls year-to-year. BTW, not all of any of the teams NY6 Bowl wins was specifically in the 4-Team Invitational participating Bowl that year.
It should be noted that one of those three games was against Memphis, one of, if not the worst team to make a New Year's Six game during the playoff years. Much like last year and 2017, we were also the third Big Ten team off the board indicating we drew lower tier opponents.
Franklin is a good coach. He is a good recruiter. But he is not a top five coach and we are not a top five program under him. We have three wins in New York six games because we are a big name and have more opportunities to get there with a good season than all but 8 programs.
We were the third Big Ten team off the board all three games. The one where we weren't, we lost. It is all about how you count. We are on the way to the top of the second tier but we are not there yet.
Franklin is a good coach. He is a good recruiter. But he is not a top five coach and we are not a top five program under him. We have three wins in New York six games because we are a big name and have more opportunities to get there with a good season than all but 8 programs.
We were the third Big Ten team off the board all three games. The one where we weren't, we lost. It is all about how you count. We are on the way to the top of the second tier but we are not there yet.
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The stat isn’t that big of a deal. Those teams were playing for all the marbles. We were just playing.
I have to agree with IANit and wishing we were instead on the list of 13 teams that have made the playoff.
It's not that big off a deal, yet you can't name a single FBS team outside of the 5 listed who has 3 or more CFP-Affiliated NY6 Bowl wins since 2014 - gotcha... LMFAO at some of you. Yea, "not a big deal" but only 5 teams out of 130 have done it.... brilliant.
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We accomplished something that only 4 other FBS teams accomplished.... Now "winning games" isn't the fundamental goal of all sport events - like I've said before, not just a douche troll, but a moron to boot, aren't we lucky.
We haven't accomplished what they did. They won those bowls as playoff games in most cases. It's not even close to accomplishing what they did. Only you would try to claim our 3 bowls wins are on par with those teams.
Exactly this. We are lucky to be here. No one talks about it, but we actually had two sets of sanctions- the NCAA directed sanctions that killed recruiting…followed by the donor sanctions that some alumni think ‘teaches the trustees a lesson’ when it only hurts the program
Put him on ignore. I did and the board is much better. He wants to argue with PSU fans and put down anything PSU. I no longer see his bs. It's just nicer.
No jackass, I've never made the comparative claim being 1 of 5 FBS teams to win 3 or more CFP NY6 games makes PSU's 3 wins comparable and equivalent to Alabama's 7 wins... you're the only dipshit attempting to say anyone said this when no-one has. We have FACTUALLY accomplished what only 4 other FBS teams (Alabama, UGa, Clemson and duhO$U) have winning 3 or more CFP NY6 games. That's a FACT dipshit, deal with it.
We haven't accomplished what they did as they were playoff games...the fact you can't comprehend that reality isn't my problem. You need to raise what you consider to be successful and impressive.
We aren't 1 of only 5 FBS programs to win 3 or more CFP NY6 Bowls? I'm afraid you're FACTUALLY wrong dipshit. I have never made the claim that PSU's accomplishments in this regard we're equivalent to the other 4 teams despite you repeatedly FALSELY stating I have - IN FACT, I stated the diametric opposite troll-boy as I said that Alabama had 7 (it's actually 8) such wins over the period - duhO$U has 6, UGa 5 and Clemson 4. BTW, the 4 other teams wins aren't 100% from the first-round of the CFP 4-team Invitational (which is the only portion of CFP 4-Team Invitational played in NY6 Bowls - the Championship Game is not played in a NY6 Bowl). For example, only 2 of duhO$U's 6 NY6 Bowl wins were in CFP 4-Team Invitational First-Round games dumbass.
I have made none of the comparisons you claim - the only thing I have pointed out is that PSU FACTUALLY being 1 of 5 FBS programs to win 3 or more CFP-Affiliated NY6 Bowls since 2014. This stands on it's own face-value given that PSU is 1 of only 5 FBS teams (out 130 FBS programs) that can register this claim.... and that's a simple FACT troll-boy.
