AM testimony on Nov. 4

[marshall23]

Per article, AM has a piss poor memory:

http://www.bigtrial.net/2017/09/boy-in-shower-says-he-cant-remember-34.html?m=1

How does AM remember where he deposited his 3 million? I guess Shubin can help him there?

 

[denniskembala]

How does AM remember where he deposited his 3 million? I guess Shubin can help him there?

The sad thing is, we have Penn State idiots from the BoT who helped rob the school over BS.

 

[marshall23]

The sad thing is, we have Penn State idiots from the BoT who helped rob the school over BS.

OGBOT used PSU funds to cover their asses in this mess. Ever wonder why Jerry was given Emeritus Status and hence access to PSU facilities with kids? JVP didn't want it. If he was opposed, Tim would not have pushed it. Trustees were the ones who gave JS the keys to the kingdom.

 

[MtNittany]

And of course, no credit to JZ on this forum. Someone needs to tell me what he has gotten wrong so far. He called this AM scam years ago and you all laughed. There it is in black and white, and you can't even bring yourselves to acknowledge he was right.

 

[marshall23]

And of course, no credit to JZ on this forum. Someone needs to tell me what he has gotten wrong so far. He called this AM scam years ago and you all laughed. There it is in black and white, and you can't even bring yourselves to acknowledge he was right.

I will admit that when Ray and Zig split, I deemed Ray more credible. Both have done a wonderful job trying to get the real story. Zig needs some work on his delivery, but in reality, I think he is closer to the truth than anyone.

 

[francofan]

I will admit that when Ray and Zig split, I deemed Ray more credible. Both have done a wonderful job trying to get the real story. Zig needs some work on his delivery, but in reality, I think he is closer to the truth than anyone.

Ray is absolutely wrong when he says that Myers is not V2. At least he has acknowldged that Sandusky deserves a new trial.

 

[marshall23]

Ray is absolutely wrong when he says that Myers is not V2. At least he has acknowldged that Sandusky deserves a new trial.

If there was a V2 not named Myers, JR would have given the name to The Commonwealth to save his ass.

 

[MtNittany]

JZ did a lot more work than Ray. Also Ray cares about his standing in the PSU and ps4rs community + probably his professional community (which is understandable).

JZ doesn't give a f**k what anyone thinks. He was ready to go on the Today Show and tell Lauer he thought JS was innocent until Franco talked him out of it.

 

[PSUSignore]

And of course, no credit to JZ on this forum. Someone needs to tell me what he has gotten wrong so far. He called this AM scam years ago and you all laughed. There it is in black and white, and you can't even bring yourselves to acknowledge he was right.

JZ sent someone to victim 2's home to confront him about his claims. Based in fact or not, I consider that "wrong."

 

[marshall23]

JZ sent someone to victim 2's home to confront him about his claims. Based in fact or not, I consider that "wrong."

I get it, I really do. But, what are the rules of engagement when you are almost certain someone has lied to garner 3 million dollars?

 

[MtNittany]

JZ sent someone to victim 2's home to confront him about his claims. Based in fact or not, I consider that "wrong."

Agree to disagree here. He wanted answers to unanswered questions and went looking for them. He's the only one that did.

 

[coveydidnt]

You aren't' a fan, You are a JoeBot. Move forward!

 

[LundyPSU]

And of course, no credit to JZ on this forum. Someone needs to tell me what he has gotten wrong so far. He called this AM scam years ago and you all laughed. There it is in black and white, and you can't even bring yourselves to acknowledge he was right.

Many people here have questioned the V2/AM story.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Anthony Morelli had a testimony?

 

[MtNittany]

 

[interrobang]

Snedden sure has enjoyed his "fame" in all this

 

[MtNittany]

Many people here have questioned the V2/AM story.

Parts of it for sure Lundy. But not the whole shebang.

 

[psu1969a]

The following are the notes I took at Centre County courthouse on Novemebr 4 regarding AM's testimony in Jerry Sandusky's evidentiary hearing associated with his PCRA.
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Judge Cleland starts the hearing by asking Sandusky if he is ok with calling AM to the stand given there is no independent information on what AM will say and that it could be helpful or harmful to the defense. Judge Cleland asks if realizes that if AM gives damaging testimony JS will not be able to make a claim of ineffective counsel. JS says he is ok with it and understands.

Judge Cleland states that he will limit AM’s testimony to 3 areas:

1. Whether Joe McGettigan made a knowingly false statement when he implied that v2 was known only to God

2. Whether the prosecution and JS’s defense made a deal not to call AM to testify at trial

3. Evidence of JS’s innocence

After a delay of several minutes, AM takes the stand and is sworn in.

Lindsay starts the questioning by asking AM his name. He asked him if he served as a Marine and he stated affirmatively from 2006-2011. He asked if he took a Marine oath and Jennifer Peterson objected and Cleland sustained her objection.

Lindsay asks AM if he knows JS. He said that he got to know his client via The Second Mile. He was referred to TSM through school. He went to TSM camp a couple of years. He went to West Branch High School, played football and graduated in 2005. Peterson objected due to relevance and Lindsay stated he was establishing a relationship between AM and JS. I believe that Cleland overruled the objection.

Lindsay asked AM if he saw JS as a father figure and AM replied affirmatively. Lindsay then showed AM a photograph of JS and AM at football camp and asked AM when the photo was taken and AM replied that he didn’t remember. He asked if it was at a youth football camp and he said yes that JS ran the camp and that he was a coach. Peterson objected due to relevance and Cleland sustained her objection.

Lindsay then asked if he ever lived at JS’s house, and AM said that he lived there briefly around 2005.

Lindsay showed another picture of AM in his marine uniform and JS and asked him if he could identify the people in the photo. He replied JS and himself. He then asked if he knew when it was taken and he replied no even though it was apparently taken at the time of his wedding.

AM was asked when he first found out about accusations against JS. He stated he was in California when he was contacted by his (Lindsay’s) client.

He was then asked if he was ever contacted by the Pennsylvania State Police. He said yes. He was then asked how the PSP contacted him and he said that a letter was posted on his mother-in-law’s front door. He was asked if he remembered an interview in September 2011 with Corporal Leiter and he said that he couldn’t remember dates and names but he recalled the interview. He was then asked if he ever read a summary of the interview and he said he didn’t recall. Lindsay then gives him the summary of the interview to refresh his memory and asked him if the summary reflects what he said. AM states that it was what he said then, but not what he would say now.

He was then asked about what Leiter and Ellis said about the person who made the accusation (I assume they are referring to AF). Peterson objected and Cleland sustained the objection.

Lindsay then asked him about workouts and polish soccer that he characterized as not strenuous. AM said he doesn’t remember, but said if that is what was written he doesn’t disagree with it. He was then asked if he said nothing inappropriate happened, that after workouts at Rec Hall or the IM building that they would go back to JS’s residence and shower separately. That at no time he felt uncomfortable, that if he did he would tell his mother. AM states it is in the report I must have said it.

AM is then asked by Lindsay if he knew Curtis Everhart. He states that he was your client’s previous attorney’s (Joe Amendola) investigator. He asked if he went to Amendola’s office twice and stated that he went to Amendola’s office only once. Lindsay then produces a report of his interview with Everhart. AM replies that he doesn’t recall seeing it before. Lindsay asked if it accurately represented what he said. He replied that he doesn’t remember, but he can’t say that it was wrong.

Were you 24 years old? Yes. Prior to the interview, did you read the Grand Jury report? No. Do you recall saying you were victim 2? Yes

Do you recall saying you were in the shower slapping towels? Peterson – objection to the characterization. Cleland – go ahead. AM –I can’t recall everything that I said. I never saw Mike McQueary. Do you recall saying the Grand Jury report said McQueary said he observed Jerry and you engaging in sexual activity, this is not the truth and McQueary is not telling the truth. Nothing occurred in the shower? If it is there, I said it.

How did you know you were the boy that night? I heard the locker close. Your client called me afterward and said that Penn State officials would be calling me. I never got a call from Penn State officials.

Did you say “Jerry never sexually assaulted me. I would have been sure if something like that happened to me. I would have called the police. What McQueary said he observed is wrong. I can’t understand why this was said. It is not the truth.” That is what I said then.

Did the interview end with Everhart asking you if everything you said was true and correct and you replied Yes, and then asking if you wanted to change anything and you said No and that you said I have told the truth? If that is what it says, Yes

Did you tell the truth? No.

Did you have the occasion to hire Andrew Shubin? Yes, for my DUI, in September 2011. For 1 or DUIs? Objection. Overruled. It was one. Did you enter a plea agreement. Objection. Sustained

Did you receive a settlement? Objection. Overruled. Yes. From whom? From Penn State. How much did you receive? Objection. Cleland asks Lindsay if he is trying to impeach his own witness. Lindsay replied Yes, I am allowed to do it. I want to show motivation for the witness changing their testimony. It is highly relevant. AM states that he is prohibited from saying how much money he received in the settlement as part of the agreement he made with Penn State.

Do you remember your interview with Inspector Corricelli in February 2012. Objection. Lindsay – I am trying to get the witness to authenticate what he said. Overruled. Yes. I can’t say verbatim what I said. I can’t remember 100% of everything I said. Do you remember saying that you are victim 2? Yes. That appears to be what I said. Were attorneys Andrew Shubin and Justine Andronici present. The interview started at 10:15 am and ended at 1:20 pm, around 3 hours. I don’t remember. Did you read the transcript? I glanced at it. Take your time and read. Objection. Sustained.

Did you testify at Mr. Sandusky’s trial? No. Where were you? Somewhere in Central Pennsylvania, in Centre, Clinton, or Clearfield county. I don’t remember exactly where I was.

Do you remember Ken Cummings. Yes. I had just brought my new born son home from the hospital. I told him to get the **** off my property. Lindsay – no further questions.

Cross examination by Jennifer Peterson.

Have you ever been sexually abused. AM – Yes

Re-direct

Were you aware that attorney Shubin met with the prosecution? I don’t know. I hired Mr. Shubin for guidance. Did you hire him to get some money? Cleland – isn’t the answer obvious.

Jerry Sandusky called to the stand.

Did you every sexually abuse AM in any way? Absolutely not

Additional Observations

AM had a large bushy beard and glasses and appeared to me to be older than 29. He stared straight ahead throughout his testimony and was continuously drinking water.

Spectators in the courtroom included Bernie McCue and Anthony Lubrano.

Al Lindsay took questions on the courthouse steps after the hearing ended. John Ziegler then made a statement and was willing to provide the 2 pictures that Lindsay put into evidence of AM and JS together to any of the press members that wanted them. He asked the press if they had any questions and they didn’t have any.

Justine Andronici then walked up to microphone accompanied by Jennifer Storm and made a statement that she represented AM and that AM was so brave to testify truthfully and that his story was one of the worst cases of abuse by Sandusky and it was obvious to everyone that he was telling the truth. This was met with a lot of jeers and challenging comments from onlookers. She then said she wouldn’t take any questions, but would be willing to talk with select members of the media. The only person I saw her talking to was Charles Thompson of Pennlive.

Wonder how much Shubin made not only with this client but from all. Asked an attorney acquaintance what they charge in civil damage lawsuits: 30 to 40 % plus administrative fees. For example, $1,000,000 award gets you conservatively $300,000 plus administrative fees of let's day 5% would be $50,000. Nice piece of change.

 

[Chris92]

So how did AM testify vs. how Lindsay anticipated he would testify in his witness certification? It looks to be pretty darn close to what the defense expected:

http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/SANDUSKY AMENDED WITNESS CERTIFICATION.pdf

 

[AvgUser]

Wow. I just read the transcript.

How this guy got any money from anyone is simply astonishing. It surely reads and seems as if he is one big fat liar.

Why didn't Amendola call him as a witness? AM's statements are in print that he was V2, that he was never abused, and that Mike McQ's story was not truthful. At JS trial, at worst it seems like he would say he was abused. That makes his statements contradictory and it cast greats doubt on the only situation where there was a 'witness'.

 

[francofan]

So how did AM testify vs. how Lindsay anticipated he would testify in his witness certification? It looks to be pretty darn close to what the defense expected:

http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/SANDUSKY AMENDED WITNESS CERTIFICATION.pdf

I think you are correct. Lindsay was pleased with AM's testimony. I believe Judge Foradora would have given Lindsay greater latitide than Judge Cleland did. He may have permitted Lindsay's questions of AM whether he took the Marine oath and whether he believed Aaron Fisher's accusations in November 2011 whereas Judge Cleland sustained Peterson's objections of both questions due to relevance.

 

[francofan]

Wow. I just read the transcript.

How this guy got any money from anyone is simply astonishing. It surely reads and seems as if he is one big fat liar.

Why didn't Amendola call him as a witness? AM's statements are in print that he was V2, that he was never abused, and that Mike McQ's story was not truthful. At JS trial, at worst it seems like he would say he was abused. That makes his statements contradictory and it cast greats doubt on the only situation where there was a 'witness'.

Amendola at a PCRA evidentiary hearing said the reason he didn't call AM at trial was that he didn't want to have another acccuser testifying. I think the lack of calling AM as a witness demonstrated Amendola's ineffectiveness and incompetence as he must not have had much confidence in his ability to cross examine AM on a subject that would have seemed very likely to raise not only reasonable doubt but also real doubt.

 

[Chris92]

Amendola at a PCRA evidentiary hearing said the reason he didn't call AM at trial was that he didn't want to have another acccuser testifying. I think the lack of calling AM as a witness demonstrated Amendola's ineffectiveness and incompetence as he must not have had much confidence in his ability to cross examine AM on a subject that would have seemed very likely to raise not only reasonable doubt but also real doubt.

Didn't Lindsay argue in the PCRA that the defense could have entered into evidence AM's statement to Everhart, since the witness was unavailable to testify?

 

[dwiz]

Didn't Lindsay argue in the PCRA that the defense could have entered into evidence AM's statement to Everhart, since the witness was unavailable to testify?

The fact that his lawyer was hiding him in a cabin in the woods so he couldn't testify, and this was known and allowed, shows that the ridiculousness of this court had no bounds.

 

[marshall23]

The fact that his lawyer was hiding him in a cabin in the woods so he couldn't testify, and this was known and allowed, shows that the ridiculousness of this court had no bounds.

Quite a kangeroo court. Hide Myers and indict the PSU 3. Mix in a little perjury from the state police for good measure. Smooth sailing for Fina. Its enough to make a janitor cry.