I think the article is a bit misleading as it is a bit of a stretch to say Franklin is insinuating Oregon has more resources and as such they are on top. He even praises Lanning in his actual comments. Interesting to me is that we may not be as NIL poor as I thought we were, but we are still not close to OSU: Texas #1, OSU #2, PSU #11 and Oregon # 20 per the article if they are sourcing and interpreting the data correctly.
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I think the article is a bit misleading as it is a bit of a stretch to say Franklin is insinuating Oregon has more resources and as such they are on top. He even praises Lanning in his actual comments. Interesting to me is that we may not be as NIL poor as I thought we were, but we are still not close to OSU: Texas #1, OSU #2, PSU #11 and Oregon # 20 per the article if they are sourcing and interpreting the data correctly.
Title, article, all stretching for a narrative.
I have a hard time believing that Oregon is that far down the list, but Knight probably doesn't have to go through a collective. He can do straight Nike deals. Is that money included?
I have a hard time believing that Oregon is that far down the list, but Knight probably doesn't have to go through a collective. He can do straight Nike deals. Is that money included?
Knowing some of the big time recruits here in the Baltimore and DC area over the past few years I would say Oregon is WAY higher than 20, but its probably not counted because of what you said. They just do the deal straight with Nike. To be honest, thats what the NIL is supposed to be, kids getting $ through actual NIL and not just payments to come and play.
I don't believe this information has to be disclosed, so unless there is voluntary disclosure - I'm not sure you can definitively know how everybody stacks up. Beyond that, anyone, or business, can give an NIL deal to an athlete - you don't have to go through an NIL cooperative/collective - so it's impossible to account for the total amount of NIL potentially available to any program (this is true for coaching compensation as well - private entities can give coaches $$$ outside their compensation from a University.
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Also, the writer's headline is a complete mischaracterization of what CJF said - this type of editorialization putting words into CJF's mouth is highly unprofessional and not "journalism" unless you count "tabloid journalism" as actual journalism.
Lastly, the NIL statistics are a summary of what was awarded to this year's players (this information probably is required to be made publicly available by NCAA rules). However, this information is in the rearview mirror and capturing what has happened over last couple years - not all of these NIL deals were negotiated last year, some were put in place a couple years ago etc....). So the actual NIL payouts this year have some relevance, but they do not capture the entire NIL budget that may be available to any program THIS YEAR. Again, private individuals outside the collective can provide as much of the NIL budget as they want, so it's really impossible to put a number on the total financial resources available to any one program on a go-forward basis. The only thing we can know for certain is the amount of NIL funded in past years (including this year).
Color me shocked that someone in the media creates (fabricates) a narrative - I think people trust telemarketers more than the media these days.
Nike being publicly traded should be disclosing this somewhere in their annual reports if they are.
It would fall within their advertising budget which is quite large - Nike uses tons of athletes to promote their athletic gear, how would you ever know what percentage was directed to Oregon athletes via NIL???
Being public doesn't mean you disclose contracts with all individuals.
If that were the case you could see salaries of employees.
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Franklin's been whining about facilities and funding since he got here. Now we have a $700MM stadium renovation that was billed as necessary for home playoff games, even though a few couch quarters were all that was necessary to make it available for winter duty. Still, we're moving forward with the $700MM expenditure even as home playoff games are scheduled without it shockingly being done. Meanwhile, NIL remains woefully ignored. Priorities, priorities, priorities...
I think the stadium needed a lot more than just winterization. That may have been the single most motivational factor, but several improvements are being made that have nothing to do with winterization.
O'Brien whined way more. Compared the weight room to one in a hotel chain. And he was right. That is, if you want to compete with O$U or Michigan. Are you taking the position that you wish Beaver stadium were older and more dilapidated? Seems an interesting position to take.
And yet a big justification for the project was playoff home games winterization which account for less than 1% of the budget and could have been as a completely separate project.
FLO was a wanker who inherited the best team in the conference and proceeded to ignore it as players fled.
Agreed but I don't know what they could have done. What if they didn't winterize it and then PSU got a home game in late December? sometimes individual things cannot be cost-justified on paper but have to be done anyway. And once they did that, it made sense to update access (escalators), press box, and areas that weren't performing well. I don't know if $700k is the number but it was going to be big. BTW, tOSU is going to upgrade "the shoe" as well. UM upgraded theirs a few years ago.
There are still idiots over here making excuses for him leaving the program in shambles for Franklin. SMH
Is he wrong? Does Oregon not have more resources? Who gives PSU as much as Phil Knight gives Oregon?
PS. The oregon board has a story about them having more resources/extra staff who were scouting PSU before they even knew they would play PSU. Other teams dont have that luxury.
"Scouting PSU" 😂. Like we need to be scouted to be beaten. Just call Ryan Day, and then rinse and repeat.
If they can't figure us out by now then hey, good for us
nope. he's right. but facilities is just one of many issues that propel or hinder programs.
But this is much ado about nothing. CJF is simply saying that Oregon has many things going for them and is complimenting them on taking advantage of them. Nothing wrong with that especially, as you state, in this case, it is true.
No. It isn't "snow". We get "snow" when it is 35 degrees. It is sustained and prolonged cold. The colder the worse. The longer it goes the worse. The more wind you have, the worse. One of the issues is that the stadium has to be drained of water including urinals and toilets for fans, teams, and media. This is not a trivial exercise.
Redoing/remodeling the plumbing for the entire stadium and being able to keep them from freezing is a huge issue.
I had TWO homes pipes burst two years ago on Xmas eve. It went down to 8 degrees, which it commonly does in my areas once or twice a winder. But in this case, it was prolonged with two full days of 25 mph winds. So the walls could not withstand both the cold temp and wind draining the heat from the outside walls where plumbing was done several decades ago.
It is very possible that PSU plays a home game in late December with single digits. Previous to this year, the latest we would play is Thanksgiving weekend. According to this, the average temps for Nov 25th are between 45 and 28 for the 90th percentile. it moves to 43 and 15 on December 21st.
And don't forget daylight savings time is in early Nov making nighttime temps at 5:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm. That makes a night game, even a 4:00 pm afternoon game, a challenge temperature-wise. Lastly, don't forget, updates take years in terms of planning, funding, and executing. If the NCAA decided to move home games for playoff contenders in the quarter finals, they wouldn't have time to adjust the stadium. So it is best to winterize it and prepare for any and all eventualities.
State College November Weather, Average Temperature (Pennsylvania, United States) - Weather Spark
In State College during November average daily high temperatures decrease from 55°F to 43°F and the fraction of time spent overcast or mostly cloudy increases from 47% to 55%.
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Am I missing something here? Just going from memory, in the Big 10 alone, almost every stadium has undergone extensive renovations since PSU joind the conference; Minnesota built their own on-campus stadium; Northwestern basically is in the process of totally rebuilding their existing stadium as is KU; FSU currently is redoing one whole sideline; ND basically built an entire new facade around the existing facade; Nebraska added balconies on both sidelines; etc. I'm looking forward to seeing Beaver Stadium improved, and brought up to the same standards that were applied to the South End Zone balconies.No. And it isn't "snow". it is a prolonged cold. One of the issues is that the stadium is drained of water including urinals and toilets for fans, teams, and media. Redoing the plumbing for the entire stadium and being able to keep them from freezing is a huge issue.
I had TWO homes pipes burst two years ago on Xmas eve. It went down to 8 degrees, which it commonly does in my areas once or twice a winder. But in this case, it was prolonged with two full days of 25 mph winds. So the walls could not withstand both the cold temp and wind draining the heat from the outside walls where plumbing was done several decades ago.
It is very possible that PSU plays a home game in late December with single digits. Previous to this year, the latest we would play is Thanksgiving weekend. According to this, the average temps for Nov 25th are between 45 and 28 for the 90th percentile. it moves to 43 and 15 on December 21st.
And don't forget daylight savings time is in early Nov making nighttime temps at 5:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm. That makes a night game, even a 4:00 pm afternoon game, a challenge temperature-wise. Lastly, don't forget, updates take years in terms of planning, funding, and executing. If the NCAA decided to move home games for playoff contenders in the quarter finals, they wouldn't have time to adjust the stadium. So it is best to winterize it and prepare for any and all eventualities.
State College November Weather, Average Temperature (Pennsylvania, United States) - Weather Spark
In State College during November average daily high temperatures decrease from 55°F to 43°F and the fraction of time spent overcast or mostly cloudy increases from 47% to 55%.
Also, the renovation of Beaver Stadium and NIL don't have to be mutually exclusive, and probably aren't; PSU certainly can do both.
I don't think you are missing anything. The stadium needed to be upgraded. the primary issue is being able to sustain cold weather late in the season as the seasons get longer. the regular season used to end on or before Thanksgiving and the games concluded on new Year's day. Now we are looking at a home game on Dec. 21st, almost a full month later than Thanksgiving's typical end. at the same time, it is possible PSU will play a game on January 20th. And what if the NCAA decides to go even later in the year?
Had to be done. $700m? who knows, but the stadium was due for major renovations.
Yes, I agree with you. I just don't understand why some feel as if it is an either or proposition when other schools in PSU's positiion like OSU and Michigan have done extensive renovations on antiquated stadia without worrying about how it would affect NIL money; PSU definitely should be a school that can do both.
No. It isn't "snow". We get "snow" when it is 35 degrees. It is sustained and prolonged cold. The colder the worse. The longer it goes the worse. The more wind you have, the worse. One of the issues is that the stadium has to be drained of water including urinals and toilets for fans, teams, and media. This is not a trivial exercise.
Redoing/remodeling the plumbing for the entire stadium and being able to keep them from freezing is a huge issue.
I had TWO homes pipes burst two years ago on Xmas eve. It went down to 8 degrees, which it commonly does in my areas once or twice a winder. But in this case, it was prolonged with two full days of 25 mph winds. So the walls could not withstand both the cold temp and wind draining the heat from the outside walls where plumbing was done several decades ago.
It is very possible that PSU plays a home game in late December with single digits. Previous to this year, the latest we would play is Thanksgiving weekend. According to this, the average temps for Nov 25th are between 45 and 28 for the 90th percentile. it moves to 43 and 15 on December 21st.
And don't forget daylight savings time is in early Nov making nighttime temps at 5:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm. That makes a night game, even a 4:00 pm afternoon game, a challenge temperature-wise. Lastly, don't forget, updates take years in terms of planning, funding, and executing. If the NCAA decided to move home games for playoff contenders in the quarter finals, they wouldn't have time to adjust the stadium. So it is best to winterize it and prepare for any and all eventualities.
State College November Weather, Average Temperature (Pennsylvania, United States) - Weather Spark
In State College during November average daily high temperatures decrease from 55°F to 43°F and the fraction of time spent overcast or mostly cloudy increases from 47% to 55%.
Explain how the pipes did not freeze all the days there were freezing temps.
Average temps are irrelevant. You did not give the average temps the day your pipes froze. Do you think State College stays the average temp every winter for the last 80 years?
The fact is PSU has freezing temps in November. The nebraska game Nov 23, 2013 was in the 20s with 15 mph winds. Overnight the temps went into the teens.
Here is the weather report for the day of the Nebraska game.
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Honestly, I don't know why the winterization of Beaver Stadium cost Penn State any thing at all. Call in Owens-Corning, have them use their pipe/foam insulation on all the pipes and give them a free advertising deal for X number of years.
Owens-Corning, the official insulation of Penn State University and Beaver Stadium. If it's good enough for Penn State and a large job like Beaver Stadium, think what it will do for you and your home.
Owens-Corning, the official insulation of Penn State University and Beaver Stadium. If it's good enough for Penn State and a large job like Beaver Stadium, think what it will do for you and your home.
This is just stupid. I am not going to get into an argument regarding weather conditions, probabilities and risk avoidance. Fact is, the weather is about 10 degrees colder from Thanksgiving weekend to the week before Xmas in State College. It is no secret that the University "winterizes" the stadium after the last game because it cannot withstand prolonged cold weather. there are dozens of factors like space heaters, insulating pipes, dripping water to keep it flowing...all of these and dozens more are temporary, not sustainable and/or ineffective given conditions as we move into winter. I also pointed out the problems with daylight savings time.
It had to be done. Case closed. If you want an education, use Google or Duck Duck Go.
Has anyone
Has anyone seen a detailed description of the plans? The GoPSUSports page is very vague, and includes only the original proposal presentation. My understanding is that if we win on Saturday (or lose by too much) they will immediately demolishing the press box and upper West bleachers, and then the lower will be completed around 2027. But is that plus a video board all that we are getting for all that $? The North endzone, especially the deck, is a shitbox, and there seems to be a whole bunch of cosmetic nothing.
No. I think that is the primary complaint from those who have spoken up. It's got a price tag with no guts to it. What. Is. It. For?
All I know is that they made the stadium available in the winter and added the new advertising ribbon and escalators.
I understand that they are going to do something with the seatback sections (SAU to SLU). And they are going to rebuild the press box.
I would imagine we are going to see some common areas and corporate loge expansion. I also think we are going to see a lot of work done under the seating area to accommodate food, concessions, booze, and bathrooms. That may also include meeting areas for business meetings and buffets. I wouldn't be shocked to see them move the PSU Hall of fame into the stadium and repurpose that building.
When I look at what has been done with recent renovations like the Guardians baseball stadium, they are trying to add a lot of places to eat and shop. Basically, they are trying to make game day an "event" in addition to the game. The guardians are creating party patios with automated beer dispensing machines and opening up the stadium before and after the game for shopping, eating drinking and mingling. My single sons can't wait. I suspect that is going to be the new wave of stadiums. The browns, in fact, are trying to create an entire "campus" hotels, airport, and the entire nine yards.
Interesting how no one else accomplished this "easy" scout routine. They have film of the close game against O$U, and yet... Penn State has 11 wins and is 2nd in a good conference of 18 teams. Still have not given up a TD in the 3rd quarter of any game. That's coaching adjustment at halftime. I'm siding with the Penn State players -- this team is a good team and *does* need to be scouted to be beaten. Ask any Big 10 coach. Not sure why you have "lion" in your name. Are you rooting for Penn State to win?
I am far from an O'Brien fan but I don't think he deliberately left the program in shambles. He was extremely hamstrung recruiting wise. My only criticisms are the fans who continue to make the asinine claim that O'Brien had "less talent" in the first two sanctions years than Franklin did in years 3 and 4 and his disingenuous claim that he left Penn State at that critical time because of "JoeBots" rather than simply acknowledging that he intended to parlay the Penn State job into and NFL head coaching position from the minute he arrived on campus (which I am perfectly fine with)
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