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dicemen99 said:
Yup, along with allusions to PSU playing with 5 or 6 extra scholarships for the past 10 years because of the "slush." Just an allusion, because neither he nor anyone in that program has either proof or even an explanation of how that was occurring. There have been loads of theories over the years, but now over there most center on the NLWC despite the fact that they probably have more ex-Iowa wrestlers in the HWC than we do ex-PSU wrestlers in the NLWC. SMFH.

Not quite Ironbird stuff, but definitely Vodka territory. It's actually great to see that mindset among the guys who are integral to that program - all of them. Just tells me that they still haven't figured it out. I'm sure Gable has, but obviously, nobody's listening to him anymore over there.
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They aren’t listening to TarpHawk who is one of the few with any sense (and an ex Hawkeye wrestler). He and some others realize that they need to go away from recruiting very good quantity over great quality. Cael’s teams may have “holes” regularly, but our top end guys overwhelm that disadvantage in tournament settings. If we were being shady, we simply would never have holes, but, with 9.9, you’ve got to sacrifice somewhere.
 
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dicemen99 said:
Yup, along with allusions to PSU playing with 5 or 6 extra scholarships for the past 10 years because of the "slush." Just an allusion, because neither he nor anyone in that program has either proof or even an explanation of how that was occurring. There have been loads of theories over the years, but now over there most center on the NLWC despite the fact that they probably have more ex-Iowa wrestlers in the HWC than we do ex-PSU wrestlers in the NLWC. SMFH.

Not quite Ironbird stuff, but definitely Vodka territory. It's actually great to see that mindset among the guys who are integral to that program - all of them. Just tells me that they still haven't figured it out. I'm sure Gable has, but obviously, nobody's listening to him anymore over there.
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Good old Colorado Bob. Saw a clip of him - seems like the kind of angry Front Range boomer that would throw a bottle at an uppity guy like Carter.

He says this:

“Use MSU's methodology to insert the 2023 class to our next years team. Many may redshirt, but put their p4p number to the weight. The playing field is leveling, by MSU's calc. As to bringing in an elite guy or two during "non-haul years", I believe we will. The proof is in the puddin on transfers too.”

The word “elite” is doing a lot of lifting here. Some of their current elite recruits are getting beat by high schoolers or miss weight and/or duck competition (the latter alluded to by Ben Askren several times - I’ll leave you to figure out who that kid is, but we recruited better guys at his weight range)
 
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PAHURDLER said:
I honestly used to think that but the more I peruse the board, the wackier I realize many are.
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Cael Derangement Syndrome. There probably is a direct relationship between how they viewed Cael’s hiring here and how insane they now are. Normal posters = knew enough about wrestling to know plopping Cael down in Pa was a problem; insane posters = laughed and thought the Brands would continue to hammer Cael.

Reality soon set in - the normal posters accepted it because they had foreseen it and are hoping Iowa can reinvigorate its mindset and change with the times. The insane posters - generally bandwagoners who can’t see beyond Bettendorf or Lisbon and actually know very little about wrestling - can’t handle the truth and lash out. Hey, dipshits, about 50x the amount of “elite” recruits live within an easy drive from State College as compared to Iowa City. They should know the phase “build it and they will come” by heart out there.

It’s like what @dicemen99 said about Iowa concentrating on recruiting Sebolt kids - he hopes they focus on that and neglect the East where’s there’s so much more talent. Good old Bob is going to wonder what hit him when his fancy facility is up and running, but the PJ Dukes of the world don’t even have Iowa in their top 5
 
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Cael Derangement Syndrome. There probably is a direct relationship between how they viewed Cael’s hiring here and how insane they now are. Normal posters = knew enough about wrestling to know plopping Cael down in Pa was a problem; insane posters = laughed and thought the Brands would continue to hammer Cael.

Reality soon set in - the normal posters accepted it because they had foreseen it and are hoping Iowa can reinvigorate its mindset and change with the times. The insane posters - generally bandwagoners who can’t see beyond Bettendorf or Lisbon and actually know very little about wrestling - can’t handle the truth and lash out. Hey, dipshits, about 50x the amount of “elite” recruits live within an easy drive from State College as compared to Iowa City. They should know the phase “build it and they will come” by heart out there.
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And then there’s the part where the greatest collegiate wrestler of all time got great recruits because he was the biggest name in wrestling during their formidable years. When he turned those great recruits into national champions, he got more. When he turned them into national champions, he got more. And when…
 
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mcpat said:
And then there’s the part where the greatest collegiate wrestler of all time got great recruits because he was the biggest name in wrestling during their formidable years. When he turned those great recruits into national champions, he got more. When he turned them into national champions, he got more. And when…
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bnicolls (and others over there) consistently allege improprieties on PSU’s part, and simultaneously guarantee that our time at the top is nigh and they will easily surpass us . . . via totally above board means despite our Dastardly Do-Right type methodologies.

The cognitive dissonance among some is deafening.
 
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bnicolls (and others over there) consistently allege improprieties on PSU’s part, and simultaneously guarantee that our time at the top is nigh and they will easily surpass us . . . via totally above board means despite our Dastardly Do-Right type methodologies.

The cognitive dissonance among some is deafening.
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I guess Larry Lee hasn’t had a sit down with Racist Bob yet
 
Chickenman Testa said:
They aren’t listening to TarpHawk who is one of the few with any sense (and an ex Hawkeye wrestler). He and some others realize that they need to go away from recruiting very good quantity over great quality. Cael’s teams may have “holes” regularly, but our top end guys overwhelm that disadvantage in tournament settings. If we were being shady, we simply would never have holes, but, with 9.9, you’ve got to sacrifice somewhere.
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Maybe if msu158 does his annual psu national recruiting thread for another 10 years it will finally sink in.
 
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Just wait till Taylor and Ruth graduate...

Just wait till Zain, Nolf, and Noodle Arms graduate...

Just wait till Carter and Brooks graduate...

Just wait till Spencer gets number 4...

Just wait till the new facility is done...

Edit. Just wait till the NCAA Compliance Office picks up my call...

Bored GIF
 
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mcpat said:
I always assumed most were joking. Guess not.
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Yeah, when you have a guy spouting it that's gonna have his name put on one of their buildings everything over there makes a little more sense. From the HC talking about programs paying reporters to smear them, to the program "insider" on the board who thinks everyone looks like an AA in the room and every recruit wants to be a Hawk until they don't, right down to the Ironbirds and Grips.

When the position a group feels entitled to has slipped away it generates a lot of false narratives.
 
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bnicolls has said that?
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Here's a search link: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/search/1220069/?q=ped&c[users]=bnicolls&o=relevance

I'm sure Ira would be interested in knowing what's being said.
Here is one of bnicolls replies. Follow the link to see what post he was replying to in order to understand.

"Embarrassing for Ped State I'd say. I had this directly told to me by Lubert himself over lunch with another PA booster. Would you like the date?

Class? Ped State has zero class. I've seen their BS up close since I was a kid.

Gable expansion of schollies in the day was nothing compared to the PSU slush fund. Are you not admitting what has gone on? If so, that's par for the course when it comes out of "Happy Valley". Keep living in your Alt Universe.

And BTW, I find it strange and laughable that so many Ped Staters come on this board. I've never once had the notion to go to yours. You guys must have low self esteem and a sore neck. The good news is that you'll soon be breathing our dust, but only for a short time, as the dust will settle by the time you jog by."

Here's bnicolls second post:

"Yes, it is all about Ira. He provided the dough and Cael spent it. And, he spent it well, see all the Titles. But them times are over when they had effectively 5-6 more schollies than everybody else.

Use MSU's methodology to insert the 2023 class to our next years team. Many may redshirt, but put their p4p number to the weight. The playing field is leveling, by MSU's calc. As to bringing in an elite guy or two during "non-haul years", I believe we will. The proof is in the puddin on transfers too.

Game on Ped State"
 
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Agoodnap said:
Here's a search link: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/search/1220069/?q=ped&c[users]=bnicolls&o=relevance

I'm sure Ira would be interested in knowing what's being said.
Here is one of bnicolls replies. Follow the link to see what post he was replying to in order to understand.

"Embarrassing for Ped State I'd say. I had this directly told to me by Lubert himself over lunch with another PA booster. Would you like the date?

Class? Ped State has zero class. I've seen their BS up close since I was a kid.

Gable expansion of schollies in the day was nothing compared to the PSU slush fund. Are you not admitting what has gone on? If so, that's par for the course when it comes out of "Happy Valley". Keep living in your Alt Universe.

And BTW, I find it strange and laughable that so many Ped Staters come on this board. I've never once had the notion to go to yours. You guys must have low self esteem and a sore neck. The good news is that you'll soon be breathing our dust, but only for a short time, as the dust will settle by the time you jog by."

Here's bnicolls second post:

"Yes, it is all about Ira. He provided the dough and Cael spent it. And, he spent it well, see all the Titles. But them times are over when they had effectively 5-6 more schollies than everybody else.

Use MSU's methodology to insert the 2023 class to our next years team. Many may redshirt, but put their p4p number to the weight. The playing field is leveling, by MSU's calc. As to bringing in an elite guy or two during "non-haul years", I believe we will. The proof is in the puddin on transfers too.

Game on Ped State"
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Here's a thing that I legitimately don't understand and would love to have explained to me...

I've seen it explained PSU's place at the top is all simply due to the massive $5 million (or so, not sure the exact number) investment to set up the "slush fund" and provide a huge disparity in resources that no one can compete with. Meanwhile, the new $30+ million Iowa facility is being paid for through gifts and donations. If all HWC/Iowa needed to compete with or surpass NLWC/Penn State is a similar level of investment or resources, why aren't they using a portion of that huge investment to setup their own "slush fund" and negate the huge advantage that the NLWC has?

Seems like HWC/Iowa has plenty of resources available to them. Their leadership has just chosen different areas to direct the investment - top notch facilities instead of top notch senior level talent.
 
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Agoodnap said:
Here's a search link: https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/search/1220069/?q=ped&c[users]=bnicolls&o=relevance

I'm sure Ira would be interested in knowing what's being said.
Here is one of bnicolls replies. Follow the link to see what post he was replying to in order to understand.

"Embarrassing for Ped State I'd say. I had this directly told to me by Lubert himself over lunch with another PA booster. Would you like the date?

Class? Ped State has zero class. I've seen their BS up close since I was a kid.

Gable expansion of schollies in the day was nothing compared to the PSU slush fund. Are you not admitting what has gone on? If so, that's par for the course when it comes out of "Happy Valley". Keep living in your Alt Universe.

And BTW, I find it strange and laughable that so many Ped Staters come on this board. I've never once had the notion to go to yours. You guys must have low self esteem and a sore neck. The good news is that you'll soon be breathing our dust, but only for a short time, as the dust will settle by the time you jog by."

Here's bnicolls second post:

"Yes, it is all about Ira. He provided the dough and Cael spent it. And, he spent it well, see all the Titles. But them times are over when they had effectively 5-6 more schollies than everybody else.

Use MSU's methodology to insert the 2023 class to our next years team. Many may redshirt, but put their p4p number to the weight. The playing field is leveling, by MSU's calc. As to bringing in an elite guy or two during "non-haul years", I believe we will. The proof is in the puddin on transfers too.

Game on Ped State"
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Ouch. I was starting to like that guy. That's some low level drivel. Disappointing.
 
Chickenman Testa said:
Good old Colorado Bob. Saw a clip of him - seems like the kind of angry Front Range boomer that would throw a bottle at an uppity guy like Carter.

He says this:

“Use MSU's methodology to insert the 2023 class to our next years team. Many may redshirt, but put their p4p number to the weight. The playing field is leveling, by MSU's calc. As to bringing in an elite guy or two during "non-haul years", I believe we will. The proof is in the puddin on transfers too.”

The word “elite” is doing a lot of lifting here. Some of their current elite recruits are getting beat by high schoolers or miss weight and/or duck competition (the latter alluded to by Ben Askren several times - I’ll leave you to figure out who that kid is, but we recruited better guys at his weight range)
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Never would have taken the guy for a slumlord
 
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